Thread: What If Everyone Is Right?

Well i'll be damned... that makes so much sense when I think about it.... Glad im not part of their little game, as I dont care which prevails.

im glad im not a player either.

oh yea, some more rules

Each player has complete control over its pawns. Each can put their pawns into submission by fear of punishment (hell) and hope of reward (heaven). This is a very effective method to gain followers, although some players choose not to use it. Even though this is told, it never happens, and dead pawns just dissppear with no afterlife.

Gods cannot interfear with the pawns of another god. This would explain why the vigrin mary doesnt show herself to muslims, and consequently, only catholics.

Well, If everyone is right...then knowone will be left.

Its all so simple now.

eh, just my way of rationalizing how almost EVERY civilization has some sort of god or gods. I mean, all of them have basically the same amount of "proof" that their religion is right. Thats why i say either we are all right, or everyone is wrong. My guess is the second one

And o yea, about atheists.

We are a sort of "wild card" used to spice things up. In the end, it is the religious againts the atheists, which gives a way for the pawns of the gods to unite, or atleast have some common ground.

Or perhaps we are more than these little pawns, and we realize their little game. But if you refer to rule #2, they cant do anything to us atheists. Its just a glitch in the game that cannot be changed. The gods are stuck with us non-playing atheists. But maybe we will play some major role in the future, once more than 5% of the world is atheist.

Also, i would appreciate it if you people could post some more of these "god rules". I think mine were pretty vague and could use some tweaking (hehe, tweak could help out here)

Well since Jesus died and came back, that means that each God gets 1 revive to bring back 1 pawn, so they better make it worth it.

Jesus was the one-eyed king of the prophet deck. With this individual card, the prophet has special abilities, which include miracle working and the ability to come back to life.

2000 years ago, the gods stopped playing for a while. Maybe they are taking a smoke break HEY, WHO SAYS THE GODS CANT GET HIGH TOO? Remember, 2000 human years is about 15 minutes for the gods, which is just enough time to smoke a joint.

Thats why religious miracles and apperances havent been showing up recently

everybody needs to think of as many rules as possible. That way we can hopefully make a game out of this.

come on people, POST!!!!

This idea is sort fo like the gods from Terry Pratchett's Discworld series... I love that guy...

As for the rules... why are you so convinced that Atheists are a wild card? Maybe there's a god that gets to "play" the atheists as his/her playing pieces...? I'd day that whichev er god decided to do that, was pretty smart. Cos in a few centuries, who do you think is gonna win?

ahh, yes, good point, the blue meanie. If there is a god who adheres to atheists, he is a smart one. He must have see that the prophet cards would run out sooner or later. With no prophets or miracles, humanity will eventually forget about religion for lack of proof, leaving him the only player left. He has patience, and he will never get kicked out of the game because there will always be a portion of people who have no religion.

A very smart player indeed

Hey, I posted this as a Bulletin on myspace, asking for more rules. So hopefully we'll get some replies. I'll post the better of the rules that get suggested to me (if any).

Oh, I know. Atheists can count as extra points when you manage to convert them to your side. Since they're usually so stubborn, the player will have to decide if it's worth his time to invest in an effort to convert atheists. You'll be gaining extra pawns and points, but you'll spend tons of vespene gas-- err, wait...

Or maybe we're making it more like a board game "Convert an atheist, move ahead three spaces."

A few weeks ago somebody had concluded that the Academic Community was just 'guessing'. Well, yes, but they render up educated guesses.

Educated guess, while still being guesses, have a certain elegance and symetry that suggests the Truth.

And then there is just idiotic speculation.

Is it possible that All of the Gods had at least a valid Subjective Reality? Well, yes, and in the Context of the Evolution of Divinity.

You see, to find some basis in Metaphysics for this notion of Divine Evolution, we may assert that God is indeed Perfect, but that God's Perfection would require an Eternity of Process and Growth. Seen in the Wholeness of Time, God is Perfect. But caught in between the imaginary Beginning and the imaginary End of God's Eternity, then God would be seen to be, well, half way there.

And so the Gods themselves process toward an inevitable Perfection in the fullness of time.

But, it may well be much more likely that the Progress is not so much in the God's Themselves, but in the people who climb those Spiritual Heights and make those Spirit Quests and meet the Gods they choose to commemorate in their Epic Poetry, sing of in their songs, or pray to and worship. The Gods that people describe are only as High as the Spiritual Plane they were able to attain to.

I myself can attest to various Spiritual Levels that I have visited. I have seen Huge Giant Angels of Flame and Light -- one could not stand before such an Angel, but one's legs would automatically give out and one would fall into a kneel. Such an Angel would certainly suggest the existence of a God to be worshipped. But then at other levels I have met Angels with a bit less light and a bit more humanity.

So, perhaps the Gods don't so much evolve as the Spiritual Progress and Subjective Receptivity of People and Society.

And perhaps the Truth may consist in a mix of the two Evolutions. Perhaps the greatest Spiritual Philosopher of the 20th Century was Sri Aurobindo. He had envisioned a process of Supermental Evolution that was working to bring the Consciousness of Humanity UP toward the Spiritual, while also supposing that the Divinely Inspired Collective Consciousness was evolving toward a greater Accessability to Humanity. Humanity was rising up to Meet God, and God was reaching down to Meet Humanity.

so, yes, the gods of History perhaps did have a valid degree of Subjective Reality. Indeed, do not all of our various Dream Characters have a Subjective Reality. Unless we are lying about the Dreams we describe, we are REALLY meeting with these Real Subjective Characters. But it is not necessarily true that these Former and Historical Gods STILL exist. These Astral and Spiritual Levels of Being may have evolved to different and higher qualities, or Humanity itself may have moved on and such Astral Worlds are no longer visited, and the old Gods perished from neglect.

eh, i just thought it was POSSIBLE.

keep coming up with rules, everybody. The game has got to be more complicated than this.

Man, this game is such a brilliant idea. Hominus, I really think you should write a novel where you tell the entire story of how the game has played out and what ends up happening. This idea is really cool.

What if the game master secretly decided the winner before the game even started being played? It could turn out that the Incan religion is the right one and everybody who didn't believe that goes to Hell. That would make about as much sense as the concepts of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. All of these people who justify eternal torture by saying, "You were given the choice to believe it," were given the choice to believe the Incan religion. Better yet, what if atheism turns out to be the winner? All people who are not atheists go to Hell. That is how the game ends.

But to stay more with the original concept...

I say bring Hell into it. Or at least make everybody in the game think it is real, including the gods. It could just be a concept in the game that turns out not to be real but is a notion for game purposes.

- If a god uses the very effective threat of Hell to win followers and then has a certain number of pawns end up in Hell, he has to go there too.

- Gods can form secret mergers, but involving no more than two gods. For example, the Christian God and Allah can come together and decide that if a person is on one team, he is on the other. But the drawback is that any time a pawn converts outside of the merger, three points are lost. Brahman in Hinduism comes in the form of many Gods. Since those gods are all Brahman, they count as one. So they can all come together and merge with, say, Jah. All other gods are allowed to take on multiple forms, but they must publish such a change in a respective holy book updated version.

- 500,000 points are lost every time one of a god's evangelists gets caught with a prostitute.

- 50 points are deducted for every date one of a god's non-celebrity clergymen has with an underage kid. If the clergyman forms a romantic relationship with a kid, 1000 points are deducted. (This rule is really messing up the Catholics.)

- Teaching peace and respect is allowed for the sake of attracting pawns. But every time a pawn shows blatant disregard for this teaching, a point is lost. (This is destroying the Baptists, especially in the American South.)

- Winning a war against another religion is worth two points. (This has really been adding up.)

- When a pawn actually goes a day without disobeying any of the teachings of the religion, the respective god earns 10 points. (This actually does happen sometimes.)

Ever notice how Mario falls through the bottom of the screen when he dies? I wonder if there are any implications there.

good idea about the whole hell idea.

So this game of chess is a high-stakes game. The reward for the winner is 72 virgin gods (hehe). The punishment is hell

I was actually thinking about that merger idea earlier. Maybe the Olympian gods (roman gods) decided they could get more followers by adhering to a certain aspect of the world, like water (poseidon) and the sun. This would make more sense to humans since the earth is the only thing they can really see. An easy explaination for the workings of the world would keep humans in thouch, therefore getting more followers. This would also explain the radical change in the old testament/new testament god. Maybe 2 gods got together and made an "average" between them. This would explain how the new testament "god" is loving, yet will send you to eternal hellfire if you fuck up.

Yet what if humanity, as a whole, has a strategy they havent mastered yet. Lucid dreaming!!! Maybe this is a loophole in the game that can be used to communicate with the gods. Speaking of that, has anyb.ody tired talking to the divine in a lucid? Anyway, back on topic.

Some more rules, or maybe just distractions. Things like lust and drugs are put on earth as a constant variable that are here to distract us. Kind of a constant. That way every god has the same probability of "wild cards".

Another rule is that there are "resting" periods. In this time, the gods sit back, smoke a joint, and just let the world go. Without outside or divine intervention, after a while humanity will start formulating ideas of their own. The gods try to let the humans figure things out for themselves, while spicing things up a little bit. This is why there are SO many sects of Christianity and other religions, each of which think they are right. This period of time is also a survival time. In this section of time, without any intervention, different groups will knock out different groups based on survivability. Kind of like survival of the fittest. Fanatics also show up here, explaining terrorism and christian torturings.

Keep the thoughts coming everybody. We're not even close to being done with this.

- If two gods have a dispute on who should get points, just like basketball players when they are yelling at the referee and baseball coaches getting in umpires' faces, and the game master is dealing with something that is very iffy and not written about directly in the rules, the two gods have to box. If one god has a dispute with two merged gods, the merged gods have to box to decide who boxes the other god.

about the merger idea.

These mergers take EXTREME amounts of time. Before the merge can be complete, the two (or more) gods have to have systematic behind-the-back-of-the-other-gods plans to assemble their pawns. For example, if Yahweh wanted to ally with Allah, the religions on earth would have to merge first. This would probably take a few prophets on both sides to make similarities between the two religions. Because two unrelated religions cannot merge, because they wouldnt be the same.

But the other gods can recognize this migration of religions. They can take appropriate steps to radically change another god's religion. This would explain, well, maybe the Crusades. I dont know.

All i DO know is that the game is dirty

please dont let this thread die else i kick you in the NUTZ!!!!!

this is a good topic and if we get some more people to post some more ideas, we might be able to take it farther.

ps. By the way, we should make a "else i kick you in the nuts" emoticon.

................i'll probably be the only one who would use it.

i've got a great picture to go here, but i have no idea how to find it

what is the picture of? Kicking of the nutz?