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Alright this goes out to the athiest here. This is not a topic on bashing atheist so dont get me wrong. I just have one question. Do you guys believe in precognitive dreams? and if sohow are they possible with out a higher being? And yes precognitive dreams are real in my mind. Had too many to tell me they were just random.
No, I don't believe in precognitive dreams. Though, I think it would be possible to explain precognitive dreams, if they DID exist, without the use of a higher being. It would involve some version of our subconscious using the past to accurately predict the future.
But, like I said, I don't believe in precog dreams.
yes, and no.
yes, they exist
no, you need God for them
[edit] Oh, sorry, never say the aithest part. my bad. should I delete?
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you say they do need god right?
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I think thats BS about your past predicting future things, i mean that works on some manner but not little random ass things that happen...
PS dont mean to sound rude i just dont understand athiest
I'm not an atheist, but I don't think you would need a god to have precognitive dreams either. I don't think they always have to do with accurately predicting an event based on past occurences, which also does happen... it would probably be easier to discuss your experiences particularly if you described some of the precog dreams you've had that you didn't think were mere coincidence.Quote:
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See, I don't see time as necessarily as linear as is most typically described, and I think a lot of people are more in tune with the collective consciousness than others, which makes them more likely to be able to recognize things that will happen to others. Most of the time, however, I think "precog" dreams are just coincidental or as BlueMeanie said, just a good analysis of past events and where they're leading.
I think the same of deja vu experiences... most likely coincidental or subconscious analysis of potential situations, but may sometimes be actual insight. Not dependent on some divine being showing you what will happen though...
Alright i will tell you some. I have a strong connection with my ex girlfriend. I hadnt seen her in months on months, then one night i dreamed of her at my work and the next day she was there. The most extreme case i have had thought is when i predicted my buddy totally his car and i have proof i did. ANd in the same dream ( it was a double precog ) i was at his house and i was talking to this girl but i couldnt see her face because a bright light was blocking her and that happened. There were too many small details in that very vivid dream that are just coincidence.
Do I believe in precognitive dreams: yes
Do I think you need a higher being: no
I think of it as one of those rare moments where your consciousness tells you something. Like dreammask, I don't see time as a straight line, I view it as something we could travel back and forth on, but we don't.
I don't have a definitive opinion on precognitive dreams. I'm not disregarding them, but I think that too many people attribute coincidence for precognition.
If it were capable for average people to have precognitive dreams aside from insight from God or a "higher power" *gak...* (Sorry. Phrase is a little too politically correct for my taste.)... anyway, I would otherwise attribute it to the mind's capability to take information from the past and present and make an educated guess on what will happen in the future. We already have a minute form of this ability in the fact that we have analytical minds.
Just think about playing chess. Your moves will be made based on how you think your opponent will make their moves. You (or at least I) look at the board and come up with several possible moves as well as several counters that the opponent could come up with, and then judge which move would be the most logical.
But chess includes a fixed number of events that could take place. There are only a few factors including which pieces are still on the board, which moves the pieces can take, the expertise of the players, and also the player's emotions or feelings towards their opponent. To predict an [i]event[/b] would require the analysis of a great deal more factors depending on who was involved, the persons' histories, choices that could be made, etc.
All in all, we just don't have the knowledge or the capacity to analyze enough factors to make an accurate guess of what will happen in the future. We are also limited by time. The mind can only work so fast and there is too much time to analyze with the minds we have right now.
Only thing coming close to it is that I think there very maybe is a thing as 'collective intelligence'. And if it exists, there is a scientific explination for it.
Dreams have nothing to do with the outside world. They perhaps can tell you about how (fucked up:)) your personality is. Or what your true subconcious problems are or something. If you see jesus in a dream, at least 10 muslims saw mohammed in their dreams by the time you can say 'hippy crap' :)
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EDIT: About 'predictions' comming true... murphy's law wasn't it? Of all the crap someone dreams about at least a few things are Bound to 'come true' in a life time.
No need to believe in them or not. I've experienced several of them so far, not many though. But one doesn't need thousand examples to prove that certain things do exist.
Trying to explain precog to someone who never really had one is like explaining 2 partner sex to a virgin. Unfortunately, many will live and die without experiencing it.
Is the existence of a higher being required for it? How could I know. If I ever meet one, I’ll ask. Is it a skip ahead in time accomplished by you? Is it information passed on to you by an entity who’s time dimension works differently (like in reverse). Is it that you project your dreams in real life, making you a projectionist. The phenomenon is rarely accepted as fact (too many precog virgins out there hehehe) and the means to study it is beyond our ability. So, if precog cannot be proven, an association with a higher being cannot either.
Hmmm, flipping this around for fun… Does having precog make you a higher being? If so and you exist then the question answers itself.
[EDIT] I just saw the preview of a new movie coming out. "Daja vu" it's called. SHould be interesting...
I lean toward believing in them. I have had many of what really seemed to fit the description. For example, I had a dream that really seemed to involve Bin Laden's face transparently showing in front of fire from an attack the morning of the 9/11 attacks. I have also had very strong feelings of when people died and of when people were in danger of dying, and it turned out to be true. However, I think there is a perfectly good scientific explanation for such things. The future "exists" in a definite form before we "get there". Also, circumstances in the present are out there, and there are properties of the universe we have not identified. The idea that some people are using such properties to percieve what is out there on some faint level is not so off the wall. Precognitive dreams, like all psychic perceptions, are just faint perceptions of another part of reality. They involve things relevant to our lives because we are looking at major circumstances in our lives. All senses begin their evolutions as mechanisms of very faint perceptions. I am not sure if precognitive dreams are real, but it appears that they probably are. If psychic abilities of any kind are real, I don't think they require a higher conscious being explanation.Quote:
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I also believe in outrageous coincidences because by the laws of probability, really bizarre coincidences are going to happen. Things would be much stranger if they never did.
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But my question is who in the he double hockey sticks planned all of this out. Theres no way this all just happened for no reason. Thats why i do not understand athiests...im sorry. And im not saying there is an almighty god like christans say but i dont know. There has to be something.