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      oh! Finally I get it!

      Ne-yo is joking. He is messing with us.

      Come on...nobody is THIS stupid, lol. At least I would hope not.


      You can't see gravity?
      Try jumping up into space, ne-yo. Let me know whether you can or not.

      You are extremely uneducated. Please, for your own good, visit your nearest library and check out some books on Science, Astronomy, Physics, Ancient religions, etc.

      Christians make the mistake of believing they are educated because they know the bible. It's a joke.
      Quoting a Dr. Suess book doesn't prove the Cat in the Hat to be a real person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by YourImaginaryFriend View Post
      Come on...nobody is THIS stupid, lol. At least I would hope not.
      You can't see gravity? [/b]
      So what does it look like?

      Quote Originally Posted by YourImaginaryFriend View Post
      Try jumping up into space, ne-yo. Let me know whether you can or not.[/b]
      Can or Can not what? See Gravity? Tried it didn't see it and your point is? I didn't see it so I assume you have. So once again what does it look like?

      Hey you all watch how he doesn't respond

      And if by some miracle he does it's only becasuse I posted this and now he wants to save face however I'm still not going to get a straight answer. Because it's inconclusive. Just watch what happens.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ne View Post
      So what does it look like?
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      What does air look like?! You cant see air- but, you can see people breathing and lungs expanding and contracting...also, air can be detected by scientific tools. Same with gravity...again, study some physics.

      God, on the other hand, cannot be viewed or detected, and there is absolutely no proof of interaction between humans and God. Just stories. Cute little stories to help little kiddies sleep at night.

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      What I tell you all.

      Asked him a simple question. What does it look like? and I got a lot of "Garbage"

      And you calling who stupid? You know what I'll give you one more chance If you can see it tell me what does it look like?

      Quote Originally Posted by YourImaginaryFriend View Post
      What does air look like?! You can't see air- but, you can see people breathing and lungs expanding and contracting...also, air can be detected by scientific tools.[/b]
      Why would you answer my question with a question? People usually do that because they don't have an answer. Lame-

      Quote Originally Posted by YourImaginaryFriend View Post
      study some physics.[/b]
      Okay you want Physics? Would you care to tell me why does Gravity contridicts with the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

      And don't you dare answer that with a question in which you are so prone to do.



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      dude, a worldwide flood is rediculus. Please, PLEASE for the sake of human intelligence, dont believe such nonsense.

      NOAH REPOPULATED THE EARTH!!!!!!!!! !!!!??????????????? ............i almost died laughing

      the bible says the earth began 6 thousand years ago, placing this \"flood\" at about 5000 years, give or take.......YOU CANNOT REPOPULATE THE EARTH IN 5000 YEARS, 50000 YEARS, OR 1 MILLION YEARS.

      WHERE DID THE NATIVE AMERICANS COME FROM???????????!!!!!!! !! They came to present day America WAY longer than 6 freggin thousand years ago. They must have died in this massive flood, right?

      For Christ\'s sake (hehe), wake up, and smell the world. Believing these fictional, fake, ignorant fairy tales insults humans of all kinds.

      Wake up, people. Your precious book has NO proof, especially when it comes to evidence on a world wide flood. Taking these stories literally is borderline retarded

      Hmm... Believing this crazy story......Ignorance at its best.
      The truth is somewhere in the middle

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      Well you and I do agree on something. We both dislike Religious fundamentalist. You stated, what I gave was a bunch of numbers? Well doesn't scientist support that? Hard Facts, in numbers? However I posted that in response to Universal Minds Post He asked "How was Noah able to house 30 to 100 million animals, care for them and thier waste. The numbers indicated there of course doesn't explain how the Flood started but supports how he was able to care for them and fit them into the Ark.[/b]
      I'm not trying to argue with you about wether or not noah was able to store as many animals as needed. The reason for this is that it is a moot point without evidence that the flood actually occured. So I've asked a simple question - provide some phenomena that is best explained by the flood.

      Now in regards to the great flood you have to understand that there are about 360 cultures around the world have stories of a massive flood, you think that just shear coincidence? Even the Aztecs has a flood story of where only a man and his family survived.
      They range from Europe to Africa to Asia to Austrailia to the Pacific Islands to the Americas.
      There are some difference in the story but the common essence is true. Here are some of the similarities.

      <snip statistics>[/b]
      If you&#39;d care to read the various flood myths you&#39;ll see that the statistics you posted are false. What the actual data suggests is that floods happened frequently, so there were many seperate myths made about them. If it was one global occurance that spawned all of these myths then we could expect to see more similarities. When you read the actual myths you&#39;ll see that, while there are some similarities, they are definitely the product of different cultures interpreting completely different events.

      Now you want some evidence where here you go. the approximate age of Niagara Falls, the Mississippi delta etc. Neither Niagra falls nor the Mississippi delta started at he same time as the world was created.

      <snip>

      There is geology in Alaska that shows three major inundations with ocean floor debris on high mountains. How do you assume that took place?[/b]
      Finally, you answer the question. I&#39;m quite puzzled by the claim that these things were not created at the same time as the world - noone said they were. But anyway:

      Niagra falls

      The niagra falls started sometime after the last glacial era finished ~11,000 years ago. It&#39;s formed by the gradual erosion and collapse of the rock it flows over. If it was started at the flood then it would have become a canyon (as freshly laid sediment tends to just get washed away instead of gradually erode over thousands of years).

      Missisipi delta

      Sediment around the missisipi delta is known to be 7 miles thick, again something that would not happen under a global flood.

      Ocen debris on mountains

      You&#39;ve heard of plate tectonics, right? Some mountains actually were the ocean floor millions/billions of years ago.

      As you can see, it is rather hard to find evidence that actually points towards a global flood which wiped out all life.

      Could you provide a reference that says there was never a great food?[/b]
      Ok:

      - Varves - Varve records go back much futher than the proposed time for a flood, much further than civilisation even. They also indicate usual weather - no global floods shown.
      - The fossil record - We would not get a nice progressive fossil record
      under a global flood - everything would be jumbled up together in one layer.
      - Dendrochronology - tree rings go back further than civilisation or the flood.
      -Ice cores - again these go back much further than the date for a global flood. Ice tends to melt when it&#39;s under water for a long time.

      Yeah yeah I&#39;ve heard it before. Scientist understanding of Gravity is flawed on a level that is highly questionalble. By the way if you cannot see gravity so how do you believe in it? you&#39;re telling me that you have faith that something is there that you cannot see? Anyway The Theory of Universal Gravity is just not an attractive theory to me. It is based on borderline evidence, has many serious gaps in what it claims to explain, is clearly wrong in important respects, and has social and moral deficiencies. If taught in the public schools, by mis-directed “educators,” it has to be balanced with alternative, more attractive theories with genuine gravamen and spiritual gravitas.[/b]
      I wish you&#39;d written this at the start of your post. This is a big joke right? Can&#39;t be bothered going any further now. haha you got me troll.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ne View Post
      Okay you want Physics? Would you care to tell me why does Gravity contridicts with the Second Law of Thermodynamics? [/b]
      Holy shit you&#39;re actually serious... I don&#39;t know whether to laugh or cry. Learn about physics maybe?

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      spoon, if i were you, i would laugh first, because of the rediculus nature of the comment, then cry for the minor loss in human intelligence.

      ne-yo, these laws were created by humans. We are not perfect, you know. Disproving a human made law does not prove the existence of god.

      Its an old fairy tale, people. Nothing more.


      Where did this thread go off topic?
      The truth is somewhere in the middle

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
      Where did this thread go off topic?[/b]
      Well, theres not much point debating the finer points of biblical interpretation with people who don&#39;t believe in gravity, is there?

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      correct, spoon. Logic is meaningless to some of these people. I take pride in the fact that i question my world, without acting as a gullible fool.
      The truth is somewhere in the middle

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      Quote Originally Posted by YourImaginaryFriend View Post
      oh&#33; Finally I get it&#33;

      Ne-yo is joking. He is messing with us.

      Come on...nobody is THIS stupid, lol. At least I would hope not.

      [/b]

      man, I thought that op Keeper. &#39;He can&#39;t be That silly, can be now?&#39;. Damn, you will be surprised.

      You can&#39;t see gravity?
      Try jumping up into space, ne-yo. Let me know whether you can or not.

      You are extremely uneducated. Please, for your own good, visit your nearest library and check out some books on Science, Astronomy, Physics, Ancient religions, etc.

      Christians make the mistake of believing they are educated because they know the bible. It&#39;s a joke.
      Quoting a Dr. Suess book doesn&#39;t prove the Cat in the Hat to be a real person.
      [/b]
      Most of them don&#39;t even know the bible, yet still claim expertise by &#39;following&#39; it.
      “What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal View Post
      Jesus showed up in Times Square last year. Everybody ignored him because they thought he was a wino, so he just left.
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      rofl
      Religion is curable.

      disassociative

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      I heard a "christian" once tell me that dinosaurs did not exist. So I asked what they thought about all the fossils. and the "christian" told me that "God"...his imaginary friend...put all the fossils in the earth for us to find. and he was dead serious too. I didn&#39;t know whether to laugh or vomit at his willful-ignorance.


      It seems that willful-ignorance is the new black in the world these days. since when was being stupid cool?

      so heres a solution, the final solution , Do not let this type of ppl have children or even let them get near any children. We have to cut these ppl off. They can&#39;t just go around making their children or anyone elses children stupid. They should have freedome, unless their freedom affects others and destroys others freedoms. Which their ignorance does to their children. These extreme christian fundementalists, extreme muslims etc... have a mental disorder, should we let people with schizophrenia raise children? should we let the criminally insane raise children? Probably not. Its a Disease of willful-ignorance, a pandemic. Come on the enlightenment happened a few hundred years ago, why do these ppl have to think like peasants from 1400? death to willful-ignorance&#33;

      anyways thats enough tirading for one day.

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      i, for one, am turned off to how Christians treat their children. They teach these 5 year olds about eternal hell and suffering before they teach the children about sex. No wonder most Christians would never denounce their faith. They have been told it is true since basically day 1. They cannot help it, especially since a child&#092;&#39;s brain will believe ANYTHING.


      My point. Christians only believe because the idea was pounded into their brains during their MOST formative years. To prove that god doesnt exist would disprove their entire view of what life means. Such things cannot be changed.
      The truth is somewhere in the middle

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      Ne-yo, 1.6 million species have been named and described, but many times that are estimated to exist.

      http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:YBCWf...t=clnk&cd=4

      You also have to take into account all of the species that existed in B.C. times but became extinct later.

      The fact that such a large percentage of the species live in water does not mean that all of them can live in all types of water. Temperature and salt content are important factors. In a world wide flood that happens so fast, the environments the organisms are fit to live in would be very seriously altered, and a great deal of extinction would result.

      But any way, when you said that it is "common sense" that dinosaurs never roamed the Earth, I was pretty sure you were joking.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      How many times must I say that poeople who claim to be "Chrisitian" arn&#39;t always Christians. Dont judge the Bible based on fools.

      You obviusly wouldn&#39;t judge evolutioin dased on the words of a fool who claims that he believes it, yet makes it look foolish by his words and actions, would you?

      Now, Hard, what about what Kids are tought at school? Children learn from there teachers to, and will beleive there teachers as well, yet many schools teach evolution as fact, and even inclood "evidence" that was debunked and discredeted by evolutionists as being misinformations.

      ... and why are you soo hung up on hell anyhow? Its not even in the Bible, as why do you think that the Bible is wrong becaue of that?

      and Shark, you will take parents from there children? THe people that love and raised them? Will the state give them the love they need, or the care? Can you say to someone that what they beleive meens they must be castrated? And who says they are wrong? Dont judge Us by the acts of others, people, or you are being fools in your own right by not even bothering to see the other side in its entirety, and not the words of fools.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      How many times must I say that poeople who claim to be "Chrisitian" arn&#39;t always Christians. Dont judge the Bible based on fools.

      [/b]
      Again you are being silly. Face it that there is something bad to say about 75% of the Christians. Are YOU and some others the ONLY &#39;true&#39; Christians? Because everytime we tell you about the ridiculous behaviour of (alot of) Christians you just say: &#39;well, THEY are not Christians&#39;.

      Do you know how many Christians tell that about you? Most Christians are assholes that don&#39;t actually follow the bible.. oh wait, neighter do you, stone a homosexual. Please do, see or an openminded-getting culture likes it, see or the people in a jailcell like it.

      You obviusly wouldn&#39;t judge evolutioin dased on the words of a fool who claims that he believes it, yet makes it look foolish by his words and actions, would you?[/b]
      Actually I do judgde certain people that &#39;believe in evolution&#39; because they don&#39;t really grasp it. We didn&#39;t evolve From monkeys, we have mutual ancestors. You can not really screw up evolution theory aslong as you stay to the correct theory.

      Claiming that man walked among dino&#39;s (some Christians do), or claiming they never existed (some Christians do) is just purely retarded.

      Also, going in against evolution would mean that half or way, way more of the species that lived on earth Died out. Or it would mean god placed a true SHITLOAD of fossils do &#39;decieve&#39; people.

      Now, Hard, what about what Kids are tought at school? Children learn from there teachers to, and will beleive there teachers as well, yet many schools teach evolution as fact, and even inclood "evidence" that was debunked and discredeted by evolutionists as being misinformations.[/b]
      Evoltution is Way more likely then your theory. This is what Christians do: HAHA, SEE, A MISTAKE IN ONE FOSSIL PROVING EVULTION, THAT MEANS GOD EXIST. Smart people say: Looking at the sources we have of mulitle fossils and DNA sources mixed with multiple forms or carbon dating, it is likely the earth is this old and that a certain type of adaption and chance, evolution, has occured amoung animals and plants alike.

      ... and why are you soo hung up on hell anyhow? Its not even in the Bible, as why do you think that the Bible is wrong becaue of that?[/b]
      Kind of weird that 99% of the Christians do believe in Hell. Kind of weird that people would believe something that has no true proof (it isn&#39;t in the bible)... gee, what could that say about mankind and believing stuff that has no proof and most likely doens&#39;t exist...

      and Shark, you will take parents from there children? THe people that love and raised them? Will the state give them the love they need, or the care? Can you say to someone that what they beleive meens they must be castrated? And who says they are wrong? Dont judge Us by the acts of others, people, or you are being fools in your own right by not even bothering to see the other side in its entirety, and not the words of fools.
      [/b]
      If a mother kills their babies because it is a nutcase and thinks she is doing it for god and for the best intrest of the Child would you allow it? Just because people do it out of &#39;goodness&#39; (or fear) doesn&#39;t mean it should be allowed. If a father think it is best for his daughter not ever to interact with girls unless he picks them out, for protecting his little girl, would you allow it? He just loves his daughter and doesn&#39;t want her to be hurt.

      Just because Christians Think they are doing the right thing doesn&#39;t mean they are. Far from it jugding by all the wars and such in the world.
      “What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume

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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      yet many schools teach evolution as fact [/b]
      I hear that point a lot. All of the "facts" that are taught in school are just really strong thoeries. They teach the theory of gravity as fact, and the theory of atoms and their subatomic particles, and the theory that Jesus once lived. A theory is not the same as a mere wild idea. It is an idea that has been tested and tested and tested and supported and supported and supported by data and more data and lots and lots of logical analysis.

      "Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night." - Isaac Asimov
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal View Post
      I hear that point a lot. All of the "facts" that are taught in school are just really strong thoeries. They teach the theory of gravity as fact, and the theory of atoms and their subatomic particles, and the theory that Jesus once lived. A theory is not the same as a mere wild idea. It is an idea that has been tested and tested and tested and supported and supported and supported by data and more data and lots and lots of logical analysis.

      "Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night." - Isaac Asimov
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      Not all facts are theories, some are laws:
      It&#39;s the "Law of Gravity"

      btw, I like your signature, I should try doing that.

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      Gravity is no more a law than evolution.

      Straight up, we KNOW evolution happens. The "theory" bit is the "theory" of Natural Selection. We KNOW evolution happens, and we&#39;re more than a little bit sure that the "why" is because of Darwin&#39;s Natural Selection. Other theories of evolution include Lamarckism and a few more "out there" ideas.
      The "theory" of gravity links back to the underlying cause. Last I heard, scientists were theorizing that gravity was the effect of a quantum particle known as a Higgs Boron, which they were trying to find using atom smashers (particle accelerators).
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      you keep saying you know evo happens, but can you proove it?

      I must say though, I am impressed by your Faith.
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      Ouch.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      you keep saying you know evo happens, but can you proove it?[/b]
      Yup.
      Fossil record, including transitional fossils, common retroviruses, modern genetics, etc.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
      Not all facts are theories, some are laws:
      It&#39;s the "Law of Gravity"
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      Theories are meant to describe why things happen, and laws just state that they do. The law of gravity basically says that gravity exists. It is an observable phenomenon. But there are theories about what causes the phenomenon to happen. Evolution is a law in terms of the fact that it has been observed. We have watched the HIV virus and other microbes evolve. We have manipulated plants to make ideal generations. We domesticated wolves a long time ago and ended up with chihuahuas and bulldogs. Evolution is a law. The theory is that humans exist in their present condition as a result of ape ancestor evolution.

      http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:TErw2...t=clnk&cd=6

      If wolves can evolve into poodles and marijuana can be deliberately caused to evolve into superbud, why can&#39;t apes evolve into humans? I don&#39;t see why some people think it is so hard to fathom. In fact, humans are classified as apes. There are four types of "great apes"-- gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, and humans.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
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      Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
      Not all facts are theories, some are laws:
      It&#39;s the "Law of Gravity"
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      Are you sure it is &#39;the law of gravity&#39; as we know it, or are it just little invisible gnomes pulling everyone down? Everything is a theory in a way. However in cases of &#39;that tree is made of wood&#39; it is rather likely that it is correct. Yet there is allways the chance of a gnone in a tree-suit so good we can&#39;t tell.
      “What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume

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