Thread: How I Found God

psychedelics

I used to be a nonbeliever but since a psychedelic experience I tend to believe in (the) god(-force not God)... Hell I even believe in reincarnation since then. Something I thought was just bogus.

strange reality we live in, that's for sure!

Originally Posted by braha_kahn

psychedelics

I used to be a nonbeliever but since a psychedelic experience I tend to believe in (the) god(-force not God)... Hell I even believe in reincarnation since then. Something I thought was just bogus.

strange reality we live in, that's for sure!
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I think thats kinda where mine started when i saw jesus fish wiht eye balls starring me down haha

Originally Posted by braha_kahn

psychedelics

I used to be a nonbeliever but since a psychedelic experience I tend to believe in (the) god(-force not God)... Hell I even believe in reincarnation since then. Something I thought was just bogus.

strange reality we live in, that's for sure!
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Like the einsteinian god? The 'god' that is like natures foruce (gravity and such)? I can accept that.

I can Not accept how someone can follow some organised clearly flawed religion just because of One DREAM. A DREAM for fucks sake. Man, a magic bunny could ring me up and I would think he is the ultimate creator in my dream. However when I wake up, I see that it was just a dream influenced by something I saw on TV.

However if you DON'T realise that, the rest is self-fulfilling-prophecy.

How many Muslims have had a dream about their allah? How many buddists have seen buddha in their dreams? how many african tribemen see the 'spirits of their ancestors' in their trips on certain psychadelic plants.

Think about that. Fine that you believe in some sort of higher being, but don't blieve in something so unlikely as Christianity with as only source a freaking Dream.

Self-Fulfilling-Prophecy.

Clear logic: Everyone that believes in their own god is more likely to 'really' see their god in their dream, thus making a specific god totally unlikely.

Man, THINK.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Like the einsteinian god? The 'god' that is like natures foruce (gravity and such)? I can accept that.

I can Not accept how someone can follow some organised clearly flawed religion just because of One DREAM. A DREAM for fucks sake. Man, a magic bunny could ring me up and I would think he is the ultimate creator in my dream. However when I wake up, I see that it was just a dream influenced by something I saw on TV.

However if you DON'T realise that, the rest is self-fulfilling-prophecy.

How many Muslims have had a dream about their allah? How many buddists have seen buddha in their dreams? how many african tribemen see the 'spirits of their ancestors' in their trips on certain psychadelic plants.

Think about that. Fine that you believe in some sort of higher being, but don't blieve in something so unlikely as Christianity with as only source a freaking Dream.

Self-Fulfilling-Prophecy.

Clear logic: Everyone that believes in their own god is more likely to 'really' see their god in their dream, thus making a specific god totally unlikely.

Man, THINK.
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You know, this is a valid point. Never thought of it that way.
I would agree more with the force than an actual God, things like the divine proportion tend to convince me more and more.

Anyway, what difference does it make if christianity or buddhism or whatever is true or not? If it's changed the lives of millions for the better, then so be it. Leave the headless deluded sheep alone, and live to your own truth.

Originally Posted by dropout14

I will put it plain and simple. In the dream my cell phone started ringing. i picked it up to see who was calling and the name said God. When i picked up i woke up.[/b]

You did not happen to have caller ID did you?

I didn't know God was lost.


I had a dream about a magic elephant. Does that make the elephant real? Believing dreams to be a spiritual thing is something ancient people used to do. Thats probably how we got religion in the first place. They are subconscious thought put into images.

I was an atheist until I did LSD.I then searched most religions till I accepted christ as the only real help or solution.Kind of wierd but true

Originally Posted by bendstringz

I was an atheist until I did LSD.I then searched most religions till I accepted christ as the only real help or solution.Kind of wierd but true
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You simply gave up one addiction for another.
I would love to hear about the in-depth research you did on other religions.
I mean, you must have studied each one for years and years before coming to the conclusion that Christ is the ONLY "real help or solution". Kind of weird and untrue. Shows that you didn't study a thing.


"Religion to me has always been the wound, not the bandage."
-- Dennis Potter

Originally Posted by bendstringz

I was an atheist until I did LSD.I then searched most religions till I accepted christ as the only real help or solution.Kind of wierd but true
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I have heard of that happening to other people. There was a guy I sort of knew in high school who did that. He went to another high school in my area, and we had mutual friends. He was the lead singer of a local rock band, and he was a major, major druggie. He was a total mad dog, and he had huge popularity around town. He was like Ferris Bueller at his school. Everybody thought he was the coolest person they had ever met. (I am not saying they should have. You know how druggies who sing for rock bands do socially when they are teenagers. But if they stay that way, they lose all of their social power in adulthood and it gets really sad.) Then one night, he was at a concert and was on LSD. He totally wigged out and started thinking he saw demons all over the coliseum. He came to the realization (as far as he was concerned) that he had been living a satanic life and needed to find Jesus. At that moment, he became a hardcore Christian. He started going to church all the time and telling people about Jesus. He got a very short haircut, started wearing what most people would consider really dorky clothes, and became pretty socially withdrawn. He broke up with his wild child girlfriend, who was totally devastated over what happened. Within a really short time period, he was completely off the social radar. His old friends can't even tell me the first thing about what is going on with him now. They don't even know where he has been living since high school.

But don't assume I am saying that is a bad thing. That is a situation where I think Christianity might have really done somebody some good. He was headed down a dangerous path, and becoming a Christian might have literally saved his life. I think he might have been subconsciously looking for a way to get out of the drug life. I'm glad he found it. I take his situation seriously, but at the same time, in a way it is hilarious to think about the extreme change that happened so fast. Mr. Cool turned into Butters the Youth Minister overnight.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Like the einsteinian god? The 'god' that is like natures foruce (gravity and such)? I can accept that.

I can Not accept how someone can follow some organised clearly flawed religion just because of One DREAM. A DREAM for fucks sake. Man, a magic bunny could ring me up and I would think he is the ultimate creator in my dream. However when I wake up, I see that it was just a dream influenced by something I saw on TV.

However if you DON'T realise that, the rest is self-fulfilling-prophecy.

How many Muslims have had a dream about their allah? How many buddists have seen buddha in their dreams? how many african tribemen see the 'spirits of their ancestors' in their trips on certain psychadelic plants.

Think about that. Fine that you believe in some sort of higher being, but don't blieve in something so unlikely as Christianity with as only source a freaking Dream.

Self-Fulfilling-Prophecy.

Clear logic: Everyone that believes in their own god is more likely to 'really' see their god in their dream, thus making a specific god totally unlikely.

Man, THINK.
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For one i never said that the christan God called me. I just said God. And your right it most likely right that it was my subconcious telling me something...and that was to freaking realize all the shit that i thought was important in my life wasnt and that there was a greater meaning in life.

BBuuut i also have to say that God came tome in a different dream where he was in the sky looking down on me wiht jesus on his right side. And everyone said hes coming at 7:54. The next time i saw a bible i just opened it up to find a verse and chapter 7: 54 and what did it say??

7 : 54 - 56
54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

56 and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.



I kid you not i had never seen those verses in my life. I am not a christan but things like this almost make me.

Originally Posted by dropout14

For one i never said that the christan God called me. I just said God. And your right it most likely right that it was my subconcious telling me something...and that was to freaking realize all the shit that i thought was important in my life wasnt and that there was a greater meaning in life.

BBuuut i also have to say that God came tome in a different dream where he was in the sky looking down on me wiht jesus on his right side. And everyone said hes coming at 7:54. The next time i saw a bible i just opened it up to find a verse and chapter 7: 54 and what did it say??

7 : 54 - 56
54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

56 and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.
I kid you not i had never seen those verses in my life. I am not a christan but things like this almost make me.
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I never said that I knew you did turn to a Christian god, I just really hope you didn't just because of a dream.

And for 7:54... how many times Would a random time produce Something thats seems related to your dream? Also. I am not quite sure of how the bible is set up, but what 7:54? Is that matthew, exodus, revelation, psalms or whatever they are called?

Originally Posted by Neruo

I never said that I knew you did turn to a Christian god, I just really hope you didn't just because of a dream.

And for 7:54... how many times Would a random time produce Something thats seems related to your dream? Also. I am not quite sure of how the bible is set up, but what 7:54? Is that matthew, exodus, revelation, psalms or whatever they are called?
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Its ACTS 7:54, and come on now, that is too exact to "just be a dream related coincidnce"

In a somewhat related experience ,with opposite results I was at a friends house who was religious. I began to believe a lot of what he said. Which in hind site tells me he could have been telling me almost anything. You respect your peers.
One night him and I were talking about religion and it was late at night. I was half dosing off. as all this religion was on my mind I had an experience that I thought at the time was from God. It was amazing.
today it is the same experience I have when I begin to enter a WILD.
There is Logic behind the corner.

Originally Posted by Howetzer

In a somewhat related experience ,with opposite results I was at a friends house who was religious. I began to believe a lot of what he said. Which in hind site tells me he could have been telling me almost anything. You respect your peers.
One night him and I were talking about religion and it was late at night. I was half dosing off. as all this religion was on my mind I had an experience that I thought at the time was from God. It was amazing.
today it is the same experience I have when I begin to enter a WILD.
There is Logic behind the corner.
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Yea i am not saying there is not logic there...but think of the odds of me being told 7;54 and that EXACT same verse in the bible described my dream? And since then i have precog dreams at least a few times a month of stuff that CANNOT just be random coincidences. There is a God, whether he be a energy or an actual being and he trying to talk to you everyday but most people will put it off as just being a coincidence or something. Think about it like this, without a god we would not be here, without us there would be no God. God is real and people who doubt it just dont see the things that many believers see.

I tell you i have visions all the time. There is no life wihtout God.

Originally Posted by dropout14

Yea i am not saying there is not logic there...but think of the odds of me being told 7;54 and that EXACT same verse in the bible described my dream? And since then i have precog dreams at least a few times a month of stuff that CANNOT just be random coincidences. There is a God, whether he be a energy or an actual being and he trying to talk to you everyday but most people will put it off as just being a coincidence or something. Think about it like this, without a god we would not be here, without us there would be no God. God is real and people who doubt it just dont see the things that many believers see.

I tell you i have visions all the time. There is no life wihtout God.
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I am sorry. I did not mean to come across that you are wrong and there is no God. I myself believe there is. I am struggling with the formalities
But you have had a unique experience.
I must add though.. many believers do not see what skeptics/doubters see too.

yes but the Light is always better than the dark if you get what i mean

dropout, you cannot prove that life is impossible without God, just as i cannot prove that it is possible. None of us were there for the beginning, so none of us will never know.

To say that you know FOR SURE that it is impossible is just plain wrong. There are much more qualified people who argue otherwise.

Originally Posted by dropout14

Its ACTS 7:54, and come on now, that is too exact to "just be a dream related coincidnce"
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How many people turn to god by a dream or some other freak occurance? One in 100.000? Besides that question why god doesn't give everyone great 'visions', and the question of why god doesn't just sends his vision more clearly then by a dream, there is the fact that if 1000 of 100.000 people at some point of their life have a dream about 'god', one in a hunderd is a more then likely number to actually have such a seemingly unlikely event that makes that person turn to 'god', 'allah' or some other over popular lie.

Also, some people are more likely to accept anything. I am afraid it is true that alot of people 'need' religion, or some other system..

why do you trust some men more then others, Neruo?

Keeper dont even worry about some people. I know how you feel lol. You are a pretty cool person from what I know.

Originally Posted by Keeper

why do you trust some men more then others, Neruo?
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What a silly question for YOU to be asking. You trust the authors of the bible more than modern scientists who spend their entire lives studying the universe.

Originally Posted by Keeper

why do you trust some men more then others, Neruo?
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Like?

And I prefer people that could form the same conclusions themselves with just observation of the world. If you let a person alone with just 'knowledge', like observation of nature of millenia, fossils, telescopes, and such, some smart people would come up with the same conclusions I now follow. Some people would ignore everything or make up their own stuff, with no proof.

Not isolated, such people are Christians. To bad that some of the people that with knowledge, good observation, would end up with the same conclusions, in a world of indoctrination will just take the easy way, follow some religion.

EDIT: Haha, Nice post YourImaginaryFriend Good point.

Yes I studied the koran buddism and such.buddism origanated from a man named sidhartha,It is mor of a belief than a religion,claming to find true happiness on earth or nirvana,the oppisite bieng samsara.I also looked into mystic arts and say that the most powerfull spirit ic the Holy spirit.Christianity also makes no promise of a good life here on earth,actually the oppisite.any ways yes I was lost,and LSD is not addictive although Ive done it too many times.I just found something that I actually felt.You dont come to Him,He comes to you.

Originally Posted by bendstringz

Yes I studied the koran buddism and such.buddism origanated from a man named sidhartha,It is mor of a belief than a religion,claming to find true happiness on earth or nirvana,the oppisite bieng samsara.I also looked into mystic arts and say that the most powerfull spirit ic the Holy spirit.Christianity also makes no promise of a good life here on earth,actually the oppisite.any ways yes I was lost,and LSD is not addictive although Ive done it too many times.I just found something that I actually felt.You dont come to Him,He comes to you.
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Well, if you studied buddhism you should have noticed that many of the stories about jesus were stolen from Siddhartha Gautama.
It just blows my mind how sheep-like people can be. Come to your OWN conclusions about God...don't just believe what some religion says...espeacially Christianity.