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      I have come to realize why there are athiests and people who believe in God. Cause there is an opposite to everything. Thats whats makes up the universe. There really is a God but also There really isnt a God, so athiests i salute you :bravo:

      everyone is right no matter what in there beliefs. Think if there is THIS universe anything is possibe
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      Quote Originally Posted by dropout14 View Post
      everyone is right no matter what in there beliefs. Think if there is THIS universe anything is possibe[/b]
      I agree - the possibilities are endless. It's almost mind-blowing to think about.

      I think that if a certain religion works for someone, whether it's Christianity, Judaim, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Pagan, Atheist, or whatever - worship basket weaving for all I care - if it works for that person, then more power to ya. It's just a shame that humans feel the need to prove the validity of their own religion to other people, or non-believers, resulting in wars, hate, etc. If you believe it, then it's true for you - but everyone's different, so logically religion is different. There's never going to be any proof for any of it - and as dropout says, if this universe exists, then anything is possible. Maybe we're ALL right.

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      by Chaos, that is a dumbest thing I have ever heard.

      either someone is right, or someone is wrong.

      is it right to kill babies in the womb, just because the mother doesn't want it? either yes or no

      if someone follows that religion, is it right?
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      To bad most relgious people, especially in the past, more then happialy kill a few unbelievers.

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      EDIT: Just for Keeper.. he keeps saying things I just have to respond to, them being so silly.

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      by Chaos, that is a dumbest thing I have ever heard.

      either someone is right, or someone is wrong.

      is it right to kill babies in the womb, just because the mother doesn't want it? either yes or no

      if someone follows that religion, is it right?
      [/b]

      You fail to even see the concept of right and wrong. In your mind there is a 'higher' right and wrong. However that only works if you believe in a god. If not, and thus in my eyes, you have -depends on how you look at it- 2 set of 'right and wrong'.

      -Cultural right and wrong: a few hunderd years ago just about ever girl on MTV would be burned to death for being sinfull. It was Way 'wrong' to show a little boob or whatever.
      -Instinctual right and wrong: People have it in them to 'love' their babies, evultion gave us that. We also don't like if an other human being dies... that is, unless for instance by nazi's, you arn't brainwashed into believing killing jews is the right thing to do.

      There might be more, but it depends on how you look at it. Point being: There really isn't a higher 'truth', everything is subjective, especially things like killing babies.

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      But the all being right about religion sounds pretty silly. Lets split it up: You have belief in a god, and believe in no god. Lets make them both 50/50... now all the relgions in the world have to share those 50%.

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      ditto for the atheists
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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      ditto for the atheists
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      Not out the name of atheism, silly boy. 'Alalalalalalal! I kill you in the name of no god!11'. Never heard that on on the hunderds of religious battlefields.
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      Neruo, have you even heard of the French revolutions?

      oh, and on the whole right and wrong consept: so you think that there is no reason to teach people not to kill or rape? If the morals mean nothing, then there is no reason to not do anything, sociaty be damned
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      Neruo, have you even heard of the French revolutions?

      oh, and on the whole right and wrong consept: so you think that there is no reason to teach people not to kill or rape? If the morals mean nothing, then there is no reason to not do anything, sociaty be damned
      [/b]
      i studied the french revolution and it had nothing to do with atheism it was about taking away the monarchy so that everone will have equal say and plus the monarch in charge was a traitor.

      see you arguing that morals are do to religion their not. this remind of a program and it said if their wasnt god then people will rape and kill so ever athiest is a muderer and a rapist nice and what about other animal e.g. bottle neck whale they our as peaceful and caring as any human is that due to god then.

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      becoming, I'm was talking about when he said there is no right or wrong

      [edit] read this
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      Keeper, well done
      thats the first sensible thing youve said

      whoever made this topic i cnt rember now
      I understand thje point your trying to make
      that we should all seek to understand and accept other peoples beleifes
      but the statement where you say
      whatever someones beliefs thwy are right
      WRONG
      hitler beleived that Jews were the scum of the Earth and should be removed
      he was wrong
      I cannot see any argument that would justify his acitons and make him right
      but ye I udnerstand what your saying
      if religion makes someone happy then good for them
      but, when someone continously tries to convert you to ther beleifs you msut show them the erroor of there thinking
      not to worry, soon, humanity wil lrealise its errors, and there will b very few theists and ther will be very few atheists
      everyone wil lrealise ther arrogance is foolish abd become agnostics
      or not
      but that would be ideal =D
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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      Neruo, have you even heard of the French revolutions?

      oh, and on the whole right and wrong consept: so you think that there is no reason to teach people not to kill or rape? If the morals mean nothing, then there is no reason to not do anything, sociaty be damned
      [/b]
      Sorry to tell you, Religions score at least 300 million deaths, pure-out-of-athiesm at most 50 million or less. Religion really loses, stop being a silly retard that can't even accept facts. Being religious shouldn't matter to see that relgion really did kill more people. Intelligent religious people could accept that religion has caused alot of suffering, yet they have their own reason. You see no bad things in religion what so ever, just because you are a believer, making your oppinion have substantially less value.

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      And you still don't get my view of right and wrong. Subjectively, there is right and wrong, so it's pretty darn good to teach people not to rape, or blow up abortion clinics for that matter, and I allready told you that, but your memory seems to strech only as far as 3 biblical pages.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      Neruo, have you even heard of the French revolutions?

      oh, and on the whole right and wrong consept: so you think that there is no reason to teach people not to kill or rape? If the morals mean nothing, then there is no reason to not do anything, sociaty be damned
      [/b]
      I don't believe in gods or that I'll be punished for anything I do "wrong". So why don't you see me killing people? I don't need to be thought not to kill people...
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      Neruo, you dont seem to gewt the point

      Atheist have killed for there "faith"

      that is the point I'm making
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      Atheist have killed for there "faith"

      that is the point I'm making[/b]
      common the french revolution was not about atheism and can you pleese give me a example where this is true where the person has no mental problem.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      Atheist have killed for there "faith"

      that is the point I'm making[/b]
      The website you linked to tells us that stalin, pol pot and mao killed a lot of people. Somehow they've ignored the fact that they were all batshit insane communist dictators, and made the leap to 'atheism made them do it'. Being a batshit insane communist dictator leads you to commit genocide, not atheism.

      Sure, they may have been atheists, but thats like blaming every death from 300-1700c.e on christianity, merely because everyone was a christian at the time. As it stands there have been no conflicts started in the name of atheism; no conflicts in which atheism was the driving force.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dropout14 View Post
      I have come to realize why there are athiests and people who believe in God. Cause there is an opposite to everything. Thats whats makes up the universe. There really is a God but also There really isnt a God, so athiests i salute you :bravo:

      everyone is right no matter what in there beliefs. Think if there is THIS universe anything is possibe
      [/b]
      I say you're wrong, and since we're all right, I'm right and you're wrong.

      Quote Originally Posted by dropout14 View Post
      I think that if a certain religion works for someone, whether it's Christianity, Judaim, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Pagan, Atheist, or whatever - worship basket weaving for all I care - if it works for that person, then more power to ya. It's just a shame that humans feel the need to prove the validity of their own religion to other people, or non-believers, resulting in wars, hate, etc...
      [/b]
      I agree that it is a terrible shame that hate and wars spawn from these arguments. What I don't agree with is where you imply that the validity of any given belief shouldn't be questioned.

      Quote Originally Posted by dropout14 View Post
      Neruo, have you even heard of the French revolutions?

      oh, and on the whole right and wrong consept: so you think that there is no reason to teach people not to kill or rape? If the morals mean nothing, then there is no reason to not do anything, sociaty be damned
      [/b]
      You're right. It's a good thing that morals mean something!

      Quote Originally Posted by dropout14 View Post
      Sorry to tell you, Religions score at least 300 million deaths, pure-out-of-athiesm at most 50 million or less...
      [/b]
      Man! They're beating us six-fold! Come on, boys 'n' girls! Pick up the slack!

      Quote Originally Posted by dropout14 View Post
      ...Being a batshit insane communist dictator leads you to commit genocide, not atheism...
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      A minor technicality.

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      for those of you who dont like one link:

      http://eteraz.org/story/2006/11/25/816/79011

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20061121/cm_csm/ydsouza

      http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...10153127AAOEeLE

      http://www.direct.ca/trinity/charge.html

      you dont seem to get it: if you say that rilgion is wrong because people have killed each other over it, I can tell you athiesm is wrong for the same reason
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      Keeper. How many people have been killing Strictly because of atheism? Maybe 10 to 50 in the history of the world. People have been killed by nazi's and communist dictators, that wanted a utopia, that happend to be religion free.

      Just because I see an utopia, an utopia as knowledge and prosperity, as a religion free one, does that make me a communist? Or a nazi?

      It's like saying that if spain nukes zimbabwe, mexico is bad because they talk spanish... or something that looks like it.

      Ask any history proffessor: What killed more people: Religion or atheism. Not the nazi-'ideology', not the communist-ideology, but just atheism.
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