Thread: If I Were God...

As God I cannot afford to do this, as i bleieve that the most loving and benevolent gift I could bestow upon the human race is the gift of free will, the ability to make chaoices, and not be chained by my all powerful nature
(devils advocate, as I agree 100% with your point)
Imran

uuum you have to experience suffering before you can appreciate bliss.?

naaaah that wouldn't work. If you didn't know anything but bliss....you win.

Let me ask you a few questions of my own first

why would they love you?

typical christian, asnwer his bloody quesiton with a striagfht asnwer
and he deosnt actually say that they would love him i dont think
Imran

How is he suposed to get it if he doesn't reason it out himself?

Do you make your teachers tell you the answer to a problim, or do they make you get it?

now, why would they love you?

u must me off suamt bad, answer hi question or stay out of the thread, sorry i'll stop spamming up ur thread now =)
Imran

Originally Posted by Keeper

How is he suposed to get it if he doesn't reason it out himself?

Do you make your teachers tell you the answer to a problim, or do they make you get it?

now, why would they love you?[/b]

What your getting at is nothing is for free.
You have to worship god to gain his love. correct?

Now if it were:

If I were God, there would be no suffering. None whatsoever! There would be eternity of infinite bliss for all. Any problems with that would be gone in a puff. There would be no problems, only benefits. THAT is love![/b]

Then what? *Please try to answer without another question :!:

Originally Posted by imran_p

As God I cannot afford to do this, as i bleieve that the most loving and benevolent gift I could bestow upon the human race is the gift of free will, the ability to make chaoices, and not be chained by my all powerful nature
(devils advocate, as I agree 100% with your point)[/b]

This response, or some variant thereof, is the one almost ALWAYS given to the problem of evil.

But it don't answer it!

The capacity of, and inclination towards "evil" has nothing to do with the problem of free will. Were God infinitely powerful, he could have given man free will, but made us less inherantly violent and agressive, and less likely to visit evil on each other.

I agree with you, and also, it doesnt counterattack the poblems psoed by antural evils such as the tsunami.
Imran

If I were God....


I wouldn't exist!

Haha!

Originally Posted by Keeper

Let me ask you a few questions of my own first

why would they love you?
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What exactly are you asking me? Who are "they"? Is God supposed to be "they"? He is supposed to be all loving, right? Even if he is not, just answer the damn fucking question, pretty please. If you are trying to make excuses for why I am more loving, then please say that. I am not saying he would love me or that he should. You are confusing the topics. I don't even think he exists. I am challenging people who believe in him to tell me how he is more loving than I am. If you don't think he is, then that should be your response.

Oh shit. Here we go. You are dodging my questions again. Are you about to tell me you will answer me in two months when the dog comes back with it? Are you going to then ignore this thread and, when confronted, tell me you don't remember the question? Either answer the question or stay out of the thread. This thread is about direct answers, not some game of chase the tangent.

Originally Posted by Keeper

As God I cannot afford to do this, as i bleieve that the most loving and benevolent gift I could bestow upon the human race is the gift of free will, the ability to make chaoices, and not be chained by my all powerful nature
(devils advocate, as I agree 100% with your point)
Imran
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That is the common response to my question in its other forms. I know you don't buy what you said, but I will tell you why I disagree with it too. Infinite bliss for eternity beats the shit out of free will. If some organization advertized convincingly that they want to give infinite bliss for eternity in exchange for free will, the line would be 6 billion people long. No question about it.

Furthermore, I don't even believe in free will. I am completely convinced that determinism makes perfect sense because uncaused events are impossible. And as Blue Meanie said, if free will exists, you could have it without the existence of evil and suffering. Even if not, couldn't God make it that way?

Also, even if free will kicks the ass of eternal, infinite bliss and evil and suffering are necessary for its existence, an infinitely powerful being would be able to make it where they are no longer necessary. That is the point that Christians (with all due respect to most of them) never seem to catch when I talk about this.

Originally Posted by Howetzer

What your getting at is nothing is for free.
You have to worship god to gain his love. correct?[/b]

No you do not have to worship God to gain his love. He loves you regardless, even if you don't believe that he exist.

Originally Posted by Ne

No you do not have to worship God to gain his love. He loves you regardless, even if you don't believe that he exist.
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Then what's the problem with giving us all infinite happiness forever with NO PROBLEMS with doing it? Do you claim that he doesn't have to power to do that?

Originally Posted by Universal

Then what's the problem with giving us all infinite happiness forever with NO PROBLEMS with doing it? Do you claim that he doesn't have to power to do that?
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How did you come to the conclusion that he's not going to give us eternal happiness?

Originally Posted by imran_p

I agree with you, and also, it doesnt counterattack the poblems psoed by antural evils such as the tsunami.[/b]

I disagree with you here, Imran.

The word "Evil" is being used in two entirely different sense here by you. This is mainly a linguistic fallacy, I believe. "evil", in the correct sense, refers to the moral quality of a being's actions, as judged by either an objective standard, or a subjective standard, or a consensus standard, depending on what you believe. "Natural Evil" is a term used inaptly to refer to natural events with disasterous consequences - but, these events are not evil, as their is no moral judgement being passed, unless one is speaking of the disaster as an evil deed done by god.

The difference between "evil" and "harm" is that the former is concerned with the moral culpability of the culprit, whereas harm is concerned purely with the impact of an event or deed.

A more accurate term for the concept you are describing would be "naturally originating harm" or some similar term.

I don't think the "problem of evil" should include natural disasters.

HOWEVER if one speaks of the "problem of harm", that's a different matter. I think it's more problematic for the Christian, too. The problem is not just that a being chooses to commit evil, but that harm occurs both from others' deeds, and from non-human origins such as animals and natural disasters.

Originally Posted by Ne

How did you come to the conclusion that he's not going to give us eternal happiness?
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I am saying that there would have never been suffering ever. Just supereuphoria forever for all, no suffering anywhere in the equation. With that said, what is your answer to my last post?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("Howetzer")</div>

What your getting at is nothing is for free.
You have to worship god to gain his love. correct?[/b]

Originally Posted by Ne

No you do not have to worship God to gain his love. He loves you regardless, even if you don&#39;t believe that he exist.[/b]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("universal")</div>

I am saying that there would have never been suffering ever. Just supereuphoria forever for all, no suffering anywhere in the equation. With that said, what is your answer to my last post?[/b]

This is a question a first grader should be able to decipher.

But know one can answer it because it is true.

God punished man for being tempted by something he could have prevented in the first place and in return we have to show our faith to live on. Sure he may love us all unconditionally, but that would not save you would it?

Originally Posted by Universal

Then what&#39;s the problem with giving us all infinite happiness forever with NO PROBLEMS with doing it? Do you claim that he doesn&#39;t have to power to do that?
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He did give us infinite happiness forever unfortunately a certain 2 individuals ruined it for all of us temporarily

Originally Posted by Ne

He did give us infinite happiness forever unfortunately a certain 2 individuals ruined it for all of us temporarily
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He could have prevented that from happening.

Originally Posted by Howetzer

He could have prevented that from happening.
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Yup you&#39;re right he could have prevented it but he created us with free will and if God goes around preventing events that could be detrimental to us then that would completely disregard our abilities to make choices in our lives. Besides the real question would be why did Adam and Eve allow themselves to be persuaded?

Originally Posted by Ne

Yup you&#39;re right he could have prevented it but he created us with free will and if God goes around preventing events that could be detrimental to us then that would completely disregard our abilities to make choices in our lives. Besides the real question would be why did Adam and Eve allow themselves to be persuaded?
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This is such the obvious and typical answer.

This is why Universal made this post.

Answer THIS :&#33;:

(Universal Mind @ Jan 19 2007, 10:40 AM) *
If I were God, there would be no suffering. None whatsoever&#33; There would be eternity of infinite bliss for all. Any problems with that would be gone in a puff. There would be no problems, only benefits. THAT is love&#33;[/b]

I am not so opposed to God as it would seem. But I can&#39;t see how universal&#39;s statement has any legitament comeback.

Well tell me what would you have done if you were GOD in regards to Adam and Eve and their disobedience?

If there is a God, he/it is thinking on a totally different level than any of us could ever hope to comprehend. We have no ability to decipher the plan of a being that has the knowledge and power to create a universe. Something that has been around since the begining of time has infinitley more wisdom than any human. We will never know God&#39;s "plan" because I believe that it would be impossible for us to understand.

Originally Posted by Ne

Well tell me what would you have done if you were GOD in regards to Adam and Eve and their disobedience?
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An evil, wrong, cruel etc. etc. act would not even be a concept of the mind.

Was everything not fine until they were tempted? How did that come to be..... By the Almighty.