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Im in a public school, have been all my life. Im an athiest, but I want to learn more about christianity, so im thinking about changing schools. But can I, do you have to have any proof that you are a christian?
If any one here goes to a cathlic school, how did you get into it? If you know.
I go to a Catholic school, don't believe the stuff, but my school doesn't mind. In fact, there are a lot of mixed religions at my school. Many admitted Atheists, school doesn't bug them. A few people who practice something like Wicca, and even a couple Islam.
I think the requirements are different depending on the school, but for the most part I think you just need at least of your parents baptized Christian/Catholic. Though Im not sure, considering my school is a Catholic school that has a couple people from Islamic families.
If you want to switch, ask the school you want to switch too.
Catholic schools are publicly funded (in Canada at least), therefore anyone can go. I went to one...don't let em force you to do communion. I refused.
If you are an atheist, you are probably going to be sickened by the constant Christian ritual. You are going to feel like it has nothing to do with you. Mass after mass after mass after prayer after prayer after Bible study after mass after Bible study after prayer after prayer after Mass after prayer after mass after mass. It will drive you insane, especially if you go to a school where they WILL hold it against you on a very personal level that you are an atheist. Some places will not confront you directly. They will just screw with your grades, single you out in class, and punish you unfairly. It could turn into a nightmare.
I can't even stand to go to church for one hour. I haven't been to church in almost ten years. I went a few times in 1997 because my grandmother was a Presbyterian and was dying of cancer. I went just to make her happy. After she died, I went a couple of times to make my grandfather happy. All I could do was count down the seconds and agonize over wanting to get out of there. The standing up and sitting back down and getting comfortable on Sunday morning when I am not even awake and then having to stand right back up for some awful song that a room full of white Protestants absolutely sounds like shit singing and sitting back down and then standing back up for more singing that sounds worse than anything Michael Bolton ever could hope to create was terrible. I have always hated church. Even when I was a major Christian I couldn't stand church services. Having to do that stuff all the time would put me in a straight jacket.
You can learn about Christianity by reading the Bible and reading books about it. There are zillions of movies and documentaries you can watch. You can visit churches. You could even go to a church of every Christian denomination there is, at your convenience, and even go to their Sunday school classes as often or rarely as you wish. You can go to college and take Bible and religion courses. But you would probably hate having one denomination shoved down your throat all day every day when you don't even believe what they are telling you.
I think the fact that there even Are Christian schools is just ridiculous. We all live in the same world, we no longer have black and white schools too.
You should go there, learn something tere, but defend your right not to be forced into religious rituals there.
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('should' might be exaggerated :D)
Difference is though, a lot more people are still offended by religion than they are by race. A Catholic practice isnt allowed in a Public school incase they offend Muslims, or vice versa. They aren't even allowed to show Easter or sing Christmas songs because of it. Christmas is now refered to as "Happy Holidays" not to offend other religions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
So unfortunatly, religion is a whole other world.
Anyway, as bradybaker said, don't let them make you do communion if you don't want to. You'll have to go to Mass, but when everyone else goes for communion you can just stay put if you want. Unless you go to a pure/private Christian/Catholic high school.
I forgot something. Is there are subject taken out of the ciriculim, to make room for learning religion
? Next year if I were to stay in the same school, id be taking math, english, combatives, history(i think), science, tech, some form of art, and maybe a cooking course. Now if I changed schools one of these I wouldnt be able to do. Would it be science?
No, most Catholic schools teach science. As for courses, its dependent on the school. It doesn't apply to just catholic schools either. All schools have different curiculums(sp?). A good idea would be to ask the school itself on its courses that it offers.
best way to find out about Christianity is to ask a free-thinker (dont read that the wrong way) Christian who is a honour to the name
dont find a nut-job and ask him/her, and dont find a hypercrit
I realize this may be a hard task ...
A christian free thinker isnt that a contradiction. Well you may think your free but your just a man holding a bible a free thinker would let the bible hit the floor and wouldnt pick it up again.Quote:
best way to find out about Christianity is to ask a free-thinker (dont read that the wrong way)[/b]
Hardly, a religious person can easily be a free thinker. Just because a person believes in a religion doesn't mean they can't be a freethinker. Thats like saying someone who believes in science can't be either, or somone who believes in anything can't be.
Thats not saying religion is correct or true, but the person is believing in something. Sometimes they are taught it and thats all they accept. Those people are not free thinkers, but others the person chooses to believe it based on what they know, and based on their experiences. They are free thinkers.
That said, just because your religious doesn't mean you can't think for yourself. Stop sterotyping.
Well someone who believes in science is a freethinker because he isnt making assumption based on faith or belife instead he making things objectable and testable.Quote:
Hardly, a religious person can easily be a free thinker. Just because a person believes in a religion doesn't mean they can't be a freethinker. Thats like saying someone who believes in science can't be either, or somone who believes in anything can't be.[/b]
If they were freethinkers then they would know that they could be wrong. As keeper he wont admit that he could be wrong and their might be no god. See this restrication make yourself not a freethinker. Truly speaking a religious freethinker would say he could be wrong and that the bible could be a piece of crap and that your time here is worthless.Quote:
Thats not saying religion is correct or true, but the person is believing in something. Sometimes they are taught it and thats all they accept. Those people are not free thinkers, but others the person chooses to believe it based on what they know, and based on their experiences. They are free thinkers.[/b]
That why most chiristian read the bible to decide their life. Well the gospel of st thomas does make you think for yourself however the other the theme and thoughts they want you to believe in are so obvious you have to be a moron not to understand it.Quote:
That said, just because your religious doesn't mean you can't think for yourself. Stop sterotyping.[/b]
Do you have any idea how stupid that statement is? Define "free thinker." In science your basing thoughts on what-is, the for-sure, and what is known. A religious person is thinking and believing in something with little to no evidence that it exists. They are thinking freely of possiblilities of what could-be, not what-is.Quote:
Well someone who believes in science is a freethinker because he isnt making assumption based on faith or belife instead he making things objectable and testable.
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Now some are idiots yes. Some do dedicate their lives to the bible and close their mind to any thing else, which is not free thinking. But thats not everyone.
Again your sterotyping. I know many religious people who know they could be wrong. Such as my self. I don't believe in Christianity(in fact I hate it), or any organized religion, but I do believe in a higher power. But, I know that my beliefs are just that, beliefs and that there might not be a higher power.Quote:
If they were freethinkers then they would know that they could be wrong. As keeper he wont admit that he could be wrong and their might be no god. See this restrication make yourself not a freethinker. Truly speaking a religious freethinker would say he could be wrong and that the bible could be a piece of crap and that your time here is worthless. [/b]
Since we're all talking about Christianity and stuff...I'll add this.
Free-thinking isn't limited by what or what you don't believe in. I believe in God and Jesus, and I'm a Christian (I don't consider myself a Catholic, though), and I believe in many things, regardless of whatever the "limitations" the Church has (I mean the Catholic church). Abortion? I don't care about it. Gay Marriage? Wrong. Living by the Bible? Don't care.
If I believe everything the church told me, I'd say Abortion is a horrible sin, Gay Marriage is a horrible sin, and Living by the Bible is the only way to live life.
Gay Marriage is a horrible sin... pfft. Thats one of the things that makes me hate christianity. Back in those times, before they we're informed, it was all well and good to hate homosexuals. Now we have an understanding of it. The fact that its an imbalance of X and Y chromosomes, and more specifically Testosterone and Estrogen. That said, being homosexual is out of the person's control. Its why it takes max effect at puberty, because that is when the said chemicals are most active.
Sure a homosexual person can make the choice to lie about it, meet a woman, marry the woman and raise a family and have everyone else be nonethewiser, but they would only do that for social acceptance. An acceptance that they shouldnt need to try and achieve. The only reason they need that acceptance is because of the persecutions of christianity. If many of those who are not Christian look ill upon gays due to the perception Christianity has thrown upon it in the past.
All that said, Homosexuality can be considered a disorder. A physical disorder. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not Hitler himself who led a campaign not only against Jews, but others different from society. One group of those others being those disabled and disordered?
Abortion is something entirely different. Wether it is a so-called "sin" or not is irrelevant. That is reletive to a person's views on what is and what isn't a human life. So abortion is up for debate.
As well Blueline, by saying that "Living by the Bible is the only way to live" your being like every other damn Christian in saying "We're right, we're only right." Thats like saying that all Athiests are bad people and are going to hell should it even exist. You don't need to live the Bible to live a good life. Besides, should a book that was written at a time that people thought the earth was flat and that they'd fall off if they went to far, be trusted?
The entire book isn't even written by God. The only so-called Word of God in the book is the 10 Commandments. That is it. Everything else, including Moses journey, the events of Jesus christ, Abraham, everything is written by people based on experiences and their perception of those experiences. And if the world has taught us anything: Word of mouth can't be trusted. Thats not to say they we're lying about their experiences, but word of mouth can be easily manipulated or misunderstood. A meaning can get lost. Adam and Eve for example, that didn't really happen. Yet many Christians are so damn hard set on taking the Bible litterally when it should be taken contextually. They are so hard set on believing that we humans have existed forever on this planet. That said, they don't believe in the dinosaurs or evolution for that matter. Not to mention any other science that is refused.
But, if your persistent on saying "Living by the Bible is the only way to live" then I suggest killing your parents and throwing rocks at not only gays, but your friends who think that god just might not exist. Why? Well, its directly stated in the Bible (Read it if you havn't) that anyone who works on Sunday must be put to death. Its stated that all homosexuals, and all with faltering faith are to be stoned. Enjoy.
If "living by the Bible is the only way to live" then a good 5.5 billion of the world isn't going to get "God' divine mercy." So let me speak for everyone when I say: See you all in hell.
Now don't get me wrong here, I believe in God. Just this is the reason that organized religion of any sort is a waste, and that a book should not be trusted. Look what happens when you put your faith in a book. You get something like Scientology, which is an organization that is proof that people will believe anything.
I don't even remember or care why I got on this rant, but since I think gonnabeathinker got his answer, I officially can say: :hijack:
Misunderstanding already resolved, lol.
Ha, Scientology. That's a funny religion.
Well, it's a funny group of idiots. (No offense to any Xenu-Loving peepz here).
You would hate Catholic school.Quote:
Originally Posted by becomingagodo
LOL, thread jacked.
I wouldnt hate it, plus all the girls in the school have to wear those skirts. :bigteeth: (but thats not the reason why I wont to go there.)
Another thing, to all the people who think homosexuality is wrong, your wrong, whats wrong with it? It does go agaisnt nature, but its not like they chose to be that way.
And thank you to all who helped.
It's an opinion. We all have them.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonnabeathinker
He never said anything against that, he wanted to know the reasoning behind that opinion you have. He wants you to back up your opinion. Why do you think its wrong? Whats wrong about it? You should be able to back up an opinion you have.
Allright then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExoByte
It's hard to explain it, because there is no REAL reason. One that I could make up right now is that it's just a personal belief, not based on any church rules or part of religion, or even family views on the subject. I don't know what my dad thinks about Gay Marriage/ being Gay, but my mom and sister are for it/ don't care about it.
If I had to choose between yes or no, (like I'd get killed if I didn't answer), I'd say it's wrong (as in no). But for now, to keep myself out of trouble, I'll state that I don't care about it. They can do whatever they want, it doesn't matter to me.
(If you're confused, call me John Kerry. I haven't made up my mind on a lot of things.)
make sure the catholic school you pick has stairs!Quote:
Originally Posted by gonnabeathinker
as for anti-gay marriage:
the idea "ought" should be abolished!
You have no reasons? You just flipped a coin on it, or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUELINE976
if the thread has been 'jacked, then let us go to the topic at hand
first, what is sin, and second, what is gay?
Well no, of course not. I can't think of any reasons other than that it goes against what I personally believe. I don't call personal choices "reasons" because I can't justify them anymore than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark75
I don't follow. What beliefs of yours does it go against?
Like I said, just personal ones that I have. No real reasons.
P.S - It's about 5 minutes to 4AM, and I'm going to bed. I'll reply tomorrow.
"Thanks for wasting a perfectly good topic with your crazy christian brainwashed hate."Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUELINE976
Edit: That I would have said, If I didn't know the meaning of the word 'IF". lol sorry, I mis-read. :)
But he didn't say he opposed any of those
Too bad I said all of my beliefs aren't influenced by Christianity...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
If you would please read the last sentence, I said that "If I believed everything the Church told me, then I would be saying that Abortion, and being Gay are both horrible sins, and living by what the Bible says is the absolute only way to live."
What I said above that is just an answer about what I personally believes of the subjects. It's not influenced by the church, because guess what? I rarely ever go to church, and I haven't even gotten past page 10 of the Bible because I got bored while reading it. I do go to CCD (not my choice, my parents signed me up when they got married, along with my sister), and I absolutely hate it. I'm just going along waiting for my Confirmation next year, and I'm done.
'If' is a very hard word. I am just at 'the' and 'a' at the moment.
In other words: sorry, I misread your post. But if you aren't a Christian fundamentalist, where is the last page of the topic about?
why the hell would you want to go to a catholic school....
I believe that you are a hack and that your posting privileges should be immediately stripped. There is no reason, it's just goes against my personal beliefs to think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUELINE976
Right...Thanks for keeping the maturity up :bravo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark75
Where does maturity enter into this? Hes right you know. Even if you would only make the choice if you had to, you should still have a better reason for that choice then "Just 'cause." The question still stands, what is so wrong about it? A personal belief or opinion, you should have a reason to back it up.
I don't have a reason. It's a belief, set into my mind. I don't care whether they can control it or not, I don't believe it's right. End of story.
I've gone to a Catholic school for all of my school 'career'.
If you want to learn about Christianity or me immersed in it, You will not find it in a Catholic school. they are two completely different interpretations of the same book.
I was raised in a Christian household and told to go to Catholic School so that i would "at least get some religion in my teaching". Absurd eh?
Maybe they should have sent me to a monistary instead, i would probably have learned a lot more about myself and the world.
I would suggest reading the Bible for your own Objective reasons. If you want to see the two-faced, 'do what i say and not what i do' mentality then go to Catholic school. It may be a good place to raise serious questions and get very dumbed down answers.
When i went to highschool (catholic of course) I would hang out with my 'catholic' friends in the morning before mass. We would smoke, talk about the last violent and obscene movie we just saw, and usually every second word was 'fuck, or 'shit' ...Ya know, real high school stuff.
But heres the fun part. As soon as we entered that Mass for 45 min to an hour...just watch the faces go holier and more solemn than Baby Jesus himself.
There was this pretty cute girl who was a grade younger than me..she was grade 11 and i was grade 12. Anyhow, she dyed her hair pink and was real horrorshow. One mass i turned to my friend who i ususally would talk about everything under the sun with and askes "so do you think the carpet matches?"
Of course, the mouth drops and the eyes widen at such a question..."MAN, don't you know we're in Mass!!??"
Maybe this will shed a bit of light on the hypocricity of Catholicism as i saw it in highschool. Catholics are only Catholic at Mass, Good Friday, Easter, and Christmas ...the rest of the time they're just good ol fashioned heathons with their guaranteed one way magic express ticket to that great Promise after they die.
In that case, my post shifts from a sarcastic jab for making a point into a blunt insult. I'll go ahead and remove the smiley.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUELINE976
Ok. Have fun with that.