Thread: Is This Your God?

very interesting, I will have to go over this in detail. gonna take a while though, the things long.

Thank you for the URL

There are some flaws in the arguments. The first major flaw is that God is a uniquely Bible-believing belief.

1. Prayer : prayer must be from the heart and must be backed by faith, and the one praying must be patient. They defeated their own argument by simply not believing God will not answer. The power behind praying is an entirely different subject. To put it simply, think of it along the same lines as the movie The Secret. Since God in this belief is the power behind the universe, that power is powerless if you dont believe. Thus you are not really praying.

2. Prayer 2 : coicidence is a matter of point of view, and the difference between whether a person believes in fate, destiny, meaning or if life is random.

3. Historical Gods : numbers and popularity isnt the reason why people believe. Christianity used to be a cult, its unpopularity didnt stop it then. What makes the God of the Christians and Jews so different from most other gods is that this is an omnipresent God. Not a Zeus figure sitting on a cloud watching us from above - as much as ignorant Christians believe so. It is harder to disprove the omnipresent God, just as it is hard to disprove or prove all life forms are connected

4. Think about Science : this argument doesn't help argue against Christian faith. Why? Christians do not believe in a magical God. They believe God created the universe, and nature. And it is believed a miracle does not have to go against nature, no rather, it can work with nature. It can be studied and examined even. How does the faithful call it a miracle then and not something else? Its when and how that natural thing happened.

5. Read the Bible : this argument won't help either. As many Christians believe the reason why Jesus came was becuase people did not understand God, and used God to control people *making the old testiment full of lies* Many christians believe Jesus did do away with a lot of what happened in the old testiment, did away with all of its silly-ness and gave us only one law. The old testiment is then only used to show how the prophesies were fullfilled. Of course there are Christians who do follow the old testiment as well, but I like said, there are those who dont.

6. Ponder Gods Plan : the point of view of one man does not represent the whole. There are tons of other points of views of Gods Plan. One of them is we agree to the plan prior to being born, it was our choice to follow Gods Plan.

7. Religious Delusion : Religious Delusion has more to do with itself filling itself with empty lies to control the people, and even making up silly stories to go with it. Believing in a story blindly without any evidence in it can be dangerous. However, personal spiritual experiences are powerful, and they are in the millions.

8. NDE's : The drug doesnt disprove NDEs since we greatly dont understand chemical reactions to begin with. We view them as things, unliving. When chemical reactions give us consciousness and emotions. Just as easily as you can say the drug proves NDEs arent real, as easily as I can say, the drug recreates NDE conditions - and recreates the natural chemical reaction upon near death. Neither do these claims say anything about NDErs or even OBErs that witness events out of their room that were later discovered to be true

9. Abiquity : believing that nothing is just a coincidence is not a Christian belief, or even a belief tied down to God. The Secret has nothing to do with God, but it is also another belief that nothing is a mere coincidence.

10. The Offering Plate : God of Christianity is omnipresent, meaning God is inside of God's followers. Therefore, Gods works are also the works of God's followers. This is also the teaching of Jesus. Money will not magically appear in the air if there is no need to, God created the natural world in this belief. There is order in the natural world, not magic. When church goers give money to the Church it is proof that God has answered their prayers. This is how the Christian God works.

I can go on, but there is no point. If you dont first understand the OMNIPRESENT God, you cant go off telling Christians that this God is imaginary from a point of view that this is a God sitting on a cloud. I am not saying that any of these things are evidence that God is not imaginary, I am simply trying to say the point of view that this is written from negates what God believers truly believe in. And it also argues against ALL of spirituality and all spiritual experiences, regardless if that experience has anything to do with God or not.

Spirituality is probably greater than the belief of God. I dont think its a wise thing to debuke all just becuase you odnt believe. The thing about spirituality is the proof is in the personal experience.

Yeah that site is pretty interesting. Quite alot like those on the internet.

Point is that people that are stupid enough to take the bible literally are to stupid to even think about anything. And the people that make up their own little version of Christianity are to good at lying to themselves.

I hope agnostics find sites like that, or even better: talk to an educated atheist.