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      Dear Friends,

      Get your enlightened... and you will know what is 'God'... what it isn't. And you will directly UNDERSTAND what Jesus, Buddha and all the sages said and meant. And you will know who is bluffing and whose not. And you will see through the falsehood and beliefs that recycles in our life.

      Before enlightenment, all we can do is speculate... and live entirely within the matrix.

      Before enlightenment, we see the world entirely through the lens of the personality or human self.

      When one awakes, the inner and outer blend as one... and there is pure perception without the 'filtering' of an observer self. 'We' disappears and become one with the world and manifestation.

      At a deeper level, the environment deconstruct... what remains is an inconcievable depthless brilliance...our true nature.

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      As a Buddhist, um... great advice, but not exactly something one can just "do".....
      <span style="font-family:Georgia">"If you want to view paradise, simply look around and view it. Anything you want to--do it&#33; Want to change the world? There&#39;s nothing to it."
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      Not according to Willy Wonka...

      And even if it is not an instantateous process, a higher level of understanding is something everyone should strive for.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ivey View Post
      As a Buddhist, um... great advice, but not exactly something one can just "do".....
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      So true...

      BTW, I was a Buddhist Tibetan Monk in a previous life.

      Yes, it is not an overnight process, but it is still acheivable. The &#39;turning point&#39; towards it is when one understands that the &#39;sense of self&#39; is not the doer of action.

      Below listed is the series of progressive realisations that i had
      Series of realisations

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      youre asking us to be enlightened, but you havent posted any recources showing us good meditation techniques &#33; >:/

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      Quote Originally Posted by juroara View Post
      youre asking us to be enlightened, but you havent posted any recources showing us good meditation techniques &#33; >:/
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      That is a good suggestion... I will write about it when i have the time.

      It must be understood that meditation is just a part of the process. Basically, meditation strip away unneccesary distraction so that our mind may quiet down enough to &#39;feel&#39; clearly. Meditation must be couple with insights and realisation for any awakening state to stabilise.

      To get to the bare attention, one-point meditation is quite effective. That is... sit down in a comfortable manner and just observe the breathe. For a beginner, a question may arise... &#39;am I observing the breathe or am i having thoughts of the breathe&#39;. Both are the same.

      If the meditation is done correctly (by having only relaxed awareness of breathe), we may enter a stage of no-thought. In that state, you will expereince yourself as no-self or all-pervading presence. However from this stage onwards, one must have realisations in order to see through to the true depths of reality. And it is not helpful for me to say anything at this moment. We must first have a taste of Presence before any subsequent stages can be embarked on.

      Just remember... the first experience of Presence is not the true experience yet.. Pls read the series of realisations for more indepth understandings.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dreamdatum View Post
      So true...


      Below listed is the series of progressive realisations that i had
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      Thanks for the link. It may prove useful.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Merlin38 View Post
      Thanks for the link. It may prove useful.
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      Really, becoming enlightened could mean anything couldn&#39;t it?? I mean Budda and Muhammad both experienced &#39;enlightenment&#39; and came up w/ 2 completely different theories. Besides that, there are thousands of religions and cults (or more) to choose from. A person could never know if they truly experienced enlightenment.
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      From my personal understanding, enlightenment means that you suddenly have all of the knowledge and answers to everything. You finally feel at peace, you want for nothing. You no longer have questions about anything because it seems that you already have the answers.

      That&#39;s my interpretation, however.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Chaos View Post
      Really, becoming enlightened could mean anything couldn&#39;t it?? I mean Budda and Muhammad both experienced &#39;enlightenment&#39; and came up w/ 2 completely different theories. Besides that, there are thousands of religions and cults (or more) to choose from. A person could never know if they truly experienced enlightenment.
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      That doesn&#39;t always have to be the case. For every individual, enlightenment may differ. If one religious or philosophical viewpoint fits any given situation, an individual may regard that as the truth, but may choose a different mindset for a different situation.

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      From my personal understanding, enlightenment means that you suddenly have all of the knowledge and answers to everything. You finally feel at peace, you want for nothing. You no longer have questions about anything because it seems that you already have the answers.

      That&#39;s my interpretation, however.

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      That sounds more like nirvana (which I suppose is the Buddist enlightenment), or becoming &#39;saved&#39; a&#39;la Christian. I doubt many people experiance such a state, but I think that enlightenment can come in smaller packages. As a child, I couldn&#39;t tie my shoes, but now, I can. This was a personal revelation that is on a much smaller scale, but I would still classify it as a moment of enlightenment.

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      ... and live entirely within the matrix.[/b]
      -10 points for using a cliche&#39;d Matrix reference.

      Oh, and -50 for being a pompous ass.
      I have no interest in your philosophical soliciting.

      EDIT: Apologies, that&#39;s what it was meant to say. It was two AM when I posted it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tsen View Post
      Oh, and -50 for being a pompous.
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      -100 points for bad grammar&#33; (Can I have -150 points for being a pedant?&#33

      RE &#39;enlightenment is hard&#39;
      The &#39;hard&#39; part of enlightenment exists only in the mind. There&#39;s a story about a monk who asked his master how long it would take to become enlightened.
      Master: "Ten years."
      Monk: "What if I study twice as hard?"
      Master: "Twenty years&#33;"

      Really, becoming enlightened could mean anything couldn&#39;t it?? [/b]
      For every individual, enlightenment may differ. If one religious or philosophical viewpoint fits any given situation, an individual may regard that as the truth, but may choose a different mindset for a different situation. [/b]
      Of course anything looks different when viewed through the lens of culture.
      But the writings of the mystics are remarkably consistent none-the-less.

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      Quote Originally Posted by slimslowslider View Post
      Of course anything looks different when viewed through the lens of culture.
      But the writings of the mystics are remarkably consistent none-the-less.[/b]
      Not really. From an essay on Zen David Suzuki Wrote:

      A monk once made reference to a gatha composed by Wo-luan which read as follows:

      I, Wo-Luan, know a device
      Whereby to blot out all my thoughts:
      The objective world no more stirs the mind,
      And daily matures my Enlightenment&#33;


      Heading this, the sixth patriarch [of Chinese Zen] remarked: "That is no enlightenment, but leads one into a state of bondage. Listen to my gatha:

      I, Hui-neng, know no device,
      My thoughts are not suppressed:
      The objective world ever stirs the mind,
      And what is the use of maturing Enlightenment?"
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      I&#39;m not sure I had a point beyond those poems .

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      Mu&#33;

      Presumably the first was not a mystic...

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      Quote Originally Posted by ivey View Post
      From my personal understanding, enlightenment means that you suddenly have all of the knowledge and answers to everything. You finally feel at peace, you want for nothing. You no longer have questions about anything because it seems that you already have the answers.

      That&#39;s my interpretation, however.

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      Yeah... If there was anyone who had all the answers, it seems like one of 2 things would happen:
      1. They would have found a way to make the world a better place. If there were a lot of people who were &#39;enlightened&#39;, then the world would have no problems at all b/c they would have found a way to help us all become enlightened.
      2. They would take over the world b/c the have the power of &#39;Gods&#39;. Since they had all the answers, and knowledge of everything, they would know everything everyone did. There would be mass destruction at the hands of these power hungry &#39;Gods&#39; and the world as we know it would cease to exist.

      My conclusion: Since neither of these things have happened, I highly doubt anyone has experienced true enlightenment.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Chaos View Post
      Yeah... If there was anyone who had all the answers, it seems like one of 2 things would happen:
      1. They would have found a way to make the world a better place. If there were a lot of people who were &#39;enlightened&#39;, then the world would have no problems at all b/c they would have found a way to help us all become enlightened.
      2. They would take over the world b/c the have the power of &#39;Gods&#39;. Since they had all the answers, and knowledge of everything, they would know everything everyone did. There would be mass destruction at the hands of these power hungry &#39;Gods&#39; and the world as we know it would cease to exist.

      My conclusion: Since neither of these things have happened, I highly doubt anyone has experienced true enlightenment.

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      If I was enlightened I wouldn&#39;t help anyone, or I wouldn&#39;t care less about the world. I wouldn&#39;t try or eaven want to controll the world, because nothing would matter. I don&#39;t know what enlightenment would bring, but I kindof disagree with you. I guess it depends what kind of enligthenment we are talking about.
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      Not every person is like you. There are a lot of corrupt people in this world.
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      Chaos - The kind of tyranny you describe seems unlikely as enlightenment is often described as the cessation of desire, where the illusion of self/other vanishes leaving compassion for all things.

      Agreed - if you &#39;had all the knowledge and answers&#39; then technically blah blah blah... But I don&#39;t think Ivey meant it like that. An enlightened person may know the answers to the big questions that matter, such as "Who is the &#39;I&#39;", the rest is unimportant.

      And the question &#39;Why is it that if there are enightened people the world is still a mess...?&#39;
      Good question&#33; It bugs me - even Jesus who preached LOVE had wars declared in his name.
      One answer is that without these people the world would have been EVEN WORSE than it is now - if that were possible&#33;
      The other answer is that its not possible to teach enlightenment - its like getting a joke - ever tried to explain Monty Python to a German?
      The teachings are usually based on observations of what enlightened people DO - not how they actually became enlightened. The idea being that if you copy their lifestyle then you will become enlightened - I suspect this is not the way it works. This kind of mistake creates attachment to e.g. the idea that only after years of meditation can you become enlightened.

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      If you read the teachings of buddha, you&#39;ll understand better the answers to your questions. I&#39;m not qualified to answer the why&#39;s, but I do know that there are supposedly like 16 people in the world who are supposed to be "enlightened". People who are able to be enlightened wouldn&#39;t be corrupt. To be enlightened means to have no desires. I&#39;m not trying to argue about it at all. Even buddha himself preached NOT to just take his words as fact, but to go out and test them yourself, and if they don&#39;t work out the way he teaches it, don&#39;t do it.

      And occasionally, the answers to the big questions are so simple that there&#39;s no real way to use them in a corrupt way. The purpose in life is to be at peace. That kind of thing. Also, success is generally regarded as getting what you want. However, happiness is in wanting what you have.

      I&#39;m not a buddhist monk. I haven&#39;t read all of the books of buddha. I just know the basics (I&#39;m still learning myself). The best advice I can give is to go read them for yourself and perhaps you&#39;ll gain a better understanding of at least the buddhist meaning of "enlightenment".
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      an enlightened alone can&#39;t change the world. but they would desire for others to be like them and if there were thousands of enlightened people together at the same time, a chain of events would happen that would change the world forever. sorta like how being with mean people puts you in a bad mood. a group of enlightened would put people in a better mood and slowly feed them into enlightenment.

      its not so much that an enlightened person would start rallies against wars, or rebel against modern life. but they wouldnt be afraid to make all the right choices and live the right way. thats how they change the world. one by one by one.

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      You really don&#39;t understand what enlightnement is. I blame it on the word a better word would be awake. See Buddha was fully awake would be a better then Buddha was fully enlighten.
      but I do know that there are supposedly like 16 people in the world who are supposed to be "enlightened". [/b]
      Well nobody is enlighten their just figure heads like the dali lama. You can compare the pope to the dali lama their both the same.
      Well I would say enlightenment or fully awake means realization of nothingness. In my knowledge Buddha teaching are taken out of context like he didn&#39;t say everyone should be happy and that enlightenment means happiness or that peace is good. The four noble truths are a good example as Buddha would proberly hate the person who came up with that crap.
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      The planet Earth exhibits all of these properties and therefore can be considered alive and its own single organism by the scientific definition.
      7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms.
      does the planet Earth reproduce, well no unless you count the moon.

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      The 16 people thing was something that my therapist told me, so I&#39;d have to find ask him (haven&#39;t seen him in a while). But I know that one person he was reading a book by him, and he describes what happens when a person dies as opposed to when say, an insect dies, etc.

      Anyway, like I said, I&#39;m just a student, so... ::shrugs::
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      The 16 people thing was something that my therapist told me, so I&#39;d have to find ask him (haven&#39;t seen him in a while). But I know that one person he was reading a book by him, and he describes what happens when a person dies as opposed to when say, an insect dies, etc.[/b]
      You have a therapist. If your mentally unstable I wouldn&#39;t suggest taking up bhuddhism.

      The longest I have meditated is four days, which was fun but hell. I used to meditate three hours a day, but school work means I can do it only a hour a day. Most people can&#39;t handle ten minautes
      Xaqaria
      The planet Earth exhibits all of these properties and therefore can be considered alive and its own single organism by the scientific definition.
      7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms.
      does the planet Earth reproduce, well no unless you count the moon.

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      Quote Originally Posted by wendylove View Post
      You have a therapist. If your mentally unstable I wouldn&#39;t suggest taking up bhuddhism.

      The longest I have meditated is four days, which was fun but hell. I used to meditate three hours a day, but school work means I can do it only a hour a day. Most people can&#39;t handle ten minautes
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      How can meditation be hell? Sorry, I&#39;m no expert at all, but am guessing that you were doing it wrong.
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