Thread: Please check out this televised debate.

Cool, thanks for the info... Ill be sure to watch it.

Thanks. I can't wait to watch that. They say atheism is an embarassment and that the existence of God can be proven intellectually? Man, that's what I've been looking for this whole time. I will definitely watch it.

I am not one of the people who wants to "deny" God. I just don't think he exists. The people who do that and single out Christianity in doing it are bitter toward Christianity probably because it scared the shit out of them when they were kids and keeps their liquor stores closed on Sundays now and seeps into the law in other irrationally inhibiting ways. Cameron has a lot to learn about how atheism does not result in school shootings. Conscience is an autonomic response to the causing of unnecessary suffering, not a thought out religious decision tendency. No atheist has ever flown an airplane into a skyscraper or blown up a cafe in Israel or an abortion clinic. Most atheists are really good people because they value life much more than the people who think this life is an insignificant moment that precedes eternal existence with some god.

I sooooooooo want to watch this... But I have no idea how...

I live in the Netherlands, and I've no idea on how to see something on that channel...

in Sweden as many as 85 percent of the population are non-believers;[/b]

I am moving to Sweden, whoo-hoo.

Also, interesting Christian-propaganda, I am wondering how that debate will end up. Probably with a laugh. Do you want me to link you to debates where Christians fail miserably, also with no use of the bible?

Originally Posted by CryoDragoon

I sooooooooo want to watch this... But I have no idea how...

I live in the Netherlands, and I've no idea on how to see something on that channel...[/b]

It's on abc's website, not sure what the link is though

o wow i really want to see this to, good job its going to be online.

Can someone bump this thread with a link to the video on the 6th( i assume thats when it will be up) so we can watch it, tyvm.

Originally Posted by joey11223

o wow i really want to see this to, good job its going to be online.

Can someone bump this thread with a link to the video on the 6th( i assume thats when it will be up) so we can watch it, tyvm.[/b]

yeah, please.

I'll be at work, but I'll want to watch it later. Should be worth it.

Ya... I'll be sure to post vid when it comes out. Even if they do fall flat, I'd still be interested in watching.

I looked on the ABC website and the program is going to air Wednesday, May 9 at 2 p.m. on "ABC News Now" and at 11:35 p.m. on "Nightline" of the same day.

Can't wait.

Here's a clip of it:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3153652

and another

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3156073

there's several more also which you can see by clicking the "Playlist" to the right of the video

Great videos, Ray Comfort sure has a way of beating around the bush though doesnt he?

i don't think the theists in this debate have ever heard a single argument for atheism...ridiculous

I didn't expect more from someone who thinks that the banana is "the atheist nightmare".

Thanks for the heads up metcalfracing,
Ive only watched a few of the clips but I already wish i was there to ask questions... What always got me thinking was this:

if its true that god created us, and that god is all knowing, then while creating man he knew that man would sin.. so in essence he created beings that would sin and knowing full well they would also decided to judge us on those actions.
If i created AI that i knew full well would end up killing someone then id be judged and punished because i could have stopped it.. If god does exist and christianity is true then shouldn't we be the one's judging god, not the other way around. God created us to sin.

Dont want to turn it into a full debate, im just curious if theres a common answer to this.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

I didn't expect more from someone who thinks that the banana is "the atheist nightmare".

o wow someone at my school used that exact same thing, i showed em a wild banana and they went quiet:p
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my ass thats candy!!

For...Pete's sake (<< be on the safe side), can't people just realise that no one is ever going to prove or disprove god in our lifetime... to both atheists and theists their arguments seem obvious.
I liked the banana thing though
Why not just let people believe what they want? Why do we all have to try and convert everyone. If atheists are doomed to burn in hell, then hey, let them

I saw the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and I think that this is a great comment on how everyone is far too serious about what people believe...

Originally Posted by ninja pirate

i don't think the theists in this debate have ever heard a single argument for atheism...ridiculous

I totally agree. I was drunk in New Orleans Saturday night and didn't see the debate, but I watched highlights of it on the internet. I was really hoping Kirk and the banana man would have some good arguments, but their responses were so terrible I really felt sorry for them. I really mean that. They should have done some research on what the major atheist arguments are and been prepared to counter them. Instead, they acted like they had never come across them in their lives.

The atheists made the point that existence has always been by discussing the First Law of Thermodynamics. They used it to argue that the components of our universe could have existed forever and therefore its existence does not have to be explained by something even greater that has existed forever. The atheists totally screwed up on it too. For one thing, the guy called it the "Third" Law of Thermodynamics, and he also assumed that the matter in the universe existed before the big bang, which is supposedly not adequately proven. And still, much to my absolute amazement and disappointment, Kirk and the banana man flat out said they wanted to pass on responding to the point. I couldn't believe it. That's like a baseball team saying they want to skip their turn at bat. On top of that, it was the banana guy who said he could prove the existence of God scientifically and without using the Bible, and he ended up discussing what's written in the Bible. What was he thinking?

It was as if the two Christians liked their own ideas so much they dared to jump in front of national television cameras and boast that they could prove God exists. It's wise to do research on the plays of the other team and to scrimmage before a game. I would really like to see another debate when Kirk and Mr. Banana have prepared themselves as much as they possibly can. It would be interesting to see how that dialogue would end up going.

Nothing can prove, nor disprove "god" yet. I don't believe in "god", but i wont rule out there could be one. I bet if a scientist who goes for non god stuff proves god exists he will scrape it and work on a way to prove he doesn't exist without telling anyone, and vice versa ona scientist trying to prove he exists.

I just watched all the videos and I have to say I expected a more logical approach from Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. Much of their argument was fallacial in the form of appeals to authority by citing intelligent people of faith, straw man fallacies by arguing against a wrong understanding of evolutional theory, begging the question by citing the bible and anecdotal evidence by explaining the nature of each of their personal conversions. They did not use science and logic, like they claimed they would, but instead extensively used the bible and their personal faith to back up their claims, which they claimed they wouldn't. No hard, logical evidence was even presented by Cameron and Comfort.

Claiming an argument is valid and logical does not make it so guys.

It seems to me that these two are just using this televised debate to evangelize to a much larger group of people than they regularly reach and lending it more credence first by claiming their argument is scientific and logical and second by getting the debate hosted by Nightline.

The only thing either side "proved" was how ignorant they are of God. Such dark times...

The most pointless thing ever, I wondered if cameron used the banana argument.

i was tempted to turn it off as soon as that guy used the ten commandments but i continued to watch. Also im pretty sure we've had better debates at school it was still interesting.

lol that lady got pissed, " I SAID CANCER!!", lols

Gasp, saw cameron on o reily yesterday and he held up a picture of a crocaduck! :O

Originally Posted by Eldritch_of_Fire

Gasp, saw cameron on o reily yesterday and he held up a picture of a crocaduck! :O

LMAO!!!
I couldn't believe it until I saw it... a crocaduck! ROFL!

Link to Cameron on O Reilly