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My friend gave me a book of morman. I'm christian, ( I dont know which sect, i believe the bible and i go to a catholic church but i'm not REALLY catholic). I'm tolerant for other people religion and i like my friend, like LIke her like her. But am i going to sin if i read this book? I am really quite terrified of this book. lol. Sounds lame but for real, help me please?
Well in the Bible it says that it is the only book you need, I wouldn't say you'd go to hell, I don't believe a single action would send someone to hell, that's what forgiveness is for. Personally I wouldn't read it, but that's because I believe in the Bible, and it tells me the Word of God only comes from the Bible and you don't need any other book. It's really up to you, but I think of things this way: If I don't think I should be doing it then why bother trying.
Yes.
Your... god sends people to Hell for reading..? Better stop coming to this forum, then. There's a heck of a lot more blasphemy going on around here, that's for sure.
I highly suggest you read the Book of Mormon. This will give you an insight into what she believes and will also help your relationship build strong. Also, the experience will help your faith grow strong by allowing you to understand altering viewpoints. I personally believe it is a sin to be ignorant of other people's religions that are in your community. Having no understanding of another's religion creates tension between groups.
You will not go to hell because god will forgive all those who believe in Jesus Christ (john 3:16). Despite, it is not a sin to read another religion's holy book.
Alright. Thats what i was thinking... but I wanted to see how other people viewed it. Thanks guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lactating Billhonkey
Reading is the Devil!:p Anyway hell is man made..made by men to scare people IMO. I don't believe in hell 1 bit, and i don't understand how anyone could without second guessing this "god" of theirs for being a power monger. Anyway that's just my opinion, but people can believe what they want. One thing that's a fact and why i'll never be religious at all...religion is why this world is so messed up! check out the war against terrorism, or tons of shootings like the V tech shooting for example. The world would be a better place if religion was never made at all...not perfect but people need to grow up in their belief system. Your god is dumb if he tells you to kill people, that's not a belief, that's just stupidity! ohwell, i know exactly how dumb humanity is anyway. I'm surprised we have not killed each other off with our dumbness. Sometimes i just CANNOT take how dumb people can get in general...o just wanna slap some sense into them. You have a brain, so use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark75
If you read Harry Potter, you will also go to hell. And if you read HP *while* reading the book of moron, you'll go to double hell. Think of it as the "DQ double chocolate brownie blizzard" version of Hell.
i doubt you'd be sent to hell for reading... although i suppose it could mean you are showing interest in a false idols book...
Eh im sure God wants you to be educated, he doesn't want his people to be ignorant of things around them.
god the creationism museum is opening soon.Quote:
Eh im sure God wants you to be educated, he doesn't want his people to be ignorant of things around them.
Nothing. Man reading the bible god doesn't really play fair. Killing everyone in a flood and killing every first born child in Egypt(I though god hated abortion). So I if I was you don't read the book of mormom or harry potter, reading only the bible would make sure you're saved. I will try and find the passage where it says to stone to death children if they don't obey.
If you have accepted Jesus there is nothing that can seperate you from that. You won't go to Hell.
Also don't talk to sinners or you go to hell.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by wendylove
I'm sure he can still talk to us Atheists, i mean how can convertion be attempted if you can't communicate with unbelievers, so i doubt thats true at all.
Eh maybe just stop being so worried, ur God wants you to be happy, not scared of him.
I suggest you read it. I'm mormon and we are also christians. There's nothing wrong with having a intrest in other religions. I'm currently reading the koran, the bhagavad gita, and other texts regarded as sacred by other religions
How can you know what you believe if you don't know what you don't believe? Anyone who is going to make such a bold claim as to say they think they know how everything actually works should at least know what the alternatives are.
Why read the book of mormon when you can watch a funny south park episode for free about it?
All about the Mormons
...in the episode it tells you about how the book of mormon was written, it sounds almost as stupid as scientology. It was written by a guy named, Joseph Smith who claimed to have been visited by god, and a native american angel who claimed all native americans used to be white and came from Jeruselum. The angel also said Jesus used to live in Missouri. Then, the angel told him to search for an ancient text written on these gold tablets in ancient indian which were the supposed lost texts of Jesus. He had to translate them using these seer stones. Not to mention, he never showed the texts or the stones to anyone because the 'angel' told him not to, and people just believed what he wrote. hehe.
The best part is, the person who was supposed to be writing down what Joseph Smith saw glowing off of the tablets hiding them in a hat, went home and told his wife about Joseph Smith who told her husband to hide the first writings of it to see if Joseph could then recite the same words exactly again. If he could then obviously he did indeed have these purported gold tablets. HOWEVER, when Joseph Smith was approached with the news that the first writings were misplaced he went off and prayed and said God came to him and told him that since he lost them he would punish Joseph by having him recite that part of the book off of another tablet which would be worded differently, and again, everyone just took his word for it. hehe
Sounds like a cool religion, eh?! LOLZ...only in the midwest of america could such blatant ignorance and stupidity be born.
Haha I love that episode. "dum dum dum dum dum"
I doubt you will go to hell, for a start, what proof is there for hells existence? It only exists in your mind because its what you believe, and you have freedom to believe what you want to believe so why believe in somthing that worries you, just chill and do as you wish. You'll be fine though, don't worry about sins and all that.
Why would you asume that south park got it right? I saw the episode. Joseph Smith did not transate the plates out of a hat. There were more than 4 plates. He did not dig around all day looking for them. He found the plates when he was 14. He did not tell everyone he had found them. Others did see the plates. Anyone who has opened up a copy of the Book of Mormon would know that. Martin Harris's wife did not hide the lost 118 pages. People did not easy accept Josephs testimony, if fact he was hated and pursecuted for it.Quote:
Why read the book of mormon when you can watch a funny south park episode for free about it?
All about the Mormons
...in the episode it tells you about how the book of mormon was written, it sounds almost as stupid as scientology. It was written by a guy named, Joseph Smith who claimed to have been visited by god, and a native american angel who claimed all native americans used to be white and came from Jeruselum. The angel also said Jesus used to live in Missouri. Then, the angel told him to search for an ancient text written on these gold tablets in ancient indian which were the supposed lost texts of Jesus. He had to translate them using these seer stones. Not to mention, he never showed the texts or the stones to anyone because the 'angel' told him not to, and people just believed what he wrote. hehe.
The best part is, the person who was supposed to be writing down what Joseph Smith saw glowing off of the tablets hiding them in a hat, went home and told his wife about Joseph Smith who told her husband to hide the first writings of it to see if Joseph could then recite the same words exactly again. If he could then obviously he did indeed have these purported gold tablets. HOWEVER, when Joseph Smith was approached with the news that the first writings were misplaced he went off and prayed and said God came to him and told him that since he lost them he would punish Joseph by having him recite that part of the book off of another tablet which would be worded differently, and again, everyone just took his word for it. hehe
Sounds like a cool religion, eh?! LOLZ...only in the midwest of america could such blatant ignorance and stupidity be born.
Also, there was never a claim that Jesus used to live in Missouri. They were not lost text writen by Jesus. And the BoM was translated in New York, not the Mid-west.
I love Joseph Smith and I love the book of Mormon. I don't mind criticism as long as it's not mean-spirited and you have a better source for information than south park.
Hi Riff,
Well, if your going to read that one you might as well read all you can get your hands on because Jesus said "Seek, and you shall find." So no I dont believe you will go to hell. Read the Gnostic's "Nag Hammadi," read Carlos Castaneda's Don Juan books, read Jesus, the last Pharoah, go to a Border's book store if there is one in your area or go to the library. Also DNA has proved Joseph Smith was a wacky doodle on the American Indian issue. Whatever you do read what you want. Shoot read "Harry Potter." As far as hell goes only man creates that. Like Heaven, its what you bring out of you.
Vee
Hell is a place entirely made up, by the abomniation of a religious sect "Catholics". It does not exist.
According to inuit faith, what was considered Hell was a good place, since it was warm and wonderfull, and the sky was cold and lonely.
Made up, it is a main part of their religion. You may think it's made up but to them it's very real...Unless your one of those who thinks that Hell is not actually a real place at all, so when it is described in the Bible as a Lake of fire thats justa story. If you think that then you may as well think the same of heaven.
I'm agreeing with Marvo on this one, it is entirely made up, as for heaven, thats entirely made up aswell, it just wasn't brought into the discussion.
As far as hell goes... Back in my catholic days, when I went to Catholic high school, I asked my religion teacher about hell, and even him, someone who was very close to deciding to become a priest (but then decided he wanted to raise a family more than to be a priest), thought of hell as more of a philosophical "state of the soul" kind of thing, and not "a place with lakes of fire, where you are tortured for all eternity"... what a stupid notion...
As far as I know this is entirely made up by the catholics. It was never mentioned in the Bible, from what I've heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey11223
The lakes of fire, yes, but that's not neccesarily eternal suffering. It's just not as good as heaven/paradise.
There's no need to dis Harry Potter, I would suggest, if you're a Christian, NOT reading the Book of Mormon because it might start making you believe blasphemous things. If my post is a little out of date it's because I was too lazy to read the entire thread and I apologize.:mad::banana::bang:
hey have you tried reading "The Book of Urantia?" It's bigger than most versions of the BIBle!
gothicviceroy112, what do you consider as being "blasphemous things". Do you know what the Book of Mormon really teaches? I'm not saying you don't, you may. I just want to know why Riff can't make up his own mind about what he reads. Why to open yourself up to new ideas and new teachings? Is trying to learn something about another religion really that bad?
Anyway, that's my own completely and totally biased moron opinion.:p
Definitely more posts need to start ending like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by 27
it doesn't matter what the book of mormon teaches, technically as it isn't a book of his sect, what he is reading isn't a book of his believes. Maybe to him it counts as reading the book of a false diol and so sinning, i know you both share the same God, but your believes are still a little different in some areas.
Like latter day saints( is that right?), the ones that think Saturday is the day of rest and some other stuff. There's some at my school, they get much much much more angry in RS when God is sometimes questioned, im not sure why, i think they are genetrally more strict in their believes.
One girl in my class went mad when we did evolution in biology, she just starts shouting " NO NO thats all wrong, how can you see thats even true, that isnt true, you are all sinners!!", wow she just lost it.
I have a hard decision here.
To choose what is more retarded.... Scientology, Mormonism, or believing you got abducted by aliens. I am honestly, NOT lying here, if I say that someone believing they were abducted by aliens is more sane then the other two.
Anyhow. You aren't sinning by reading a made up book. Just be weary, it is full of shit. The Mormon religion was officially racist until 1958, it's a bad cult gone mainstream.
Come on man, is that necessary? Can you talk about anything on here without insulting someone? At least get the facts strait. What happened in 1958? Do you mean 78? Why criticize what you don't understand? What have Mormons done to you?
The hebrew word for hell is sheol which means "ground", "earth", "grave" or "garbage heap".Quote:
Originally Posted by joey11223
The greek word for hell that is used most commonly in the greek version of the bible is Gehenna which was an actual burning dump near Jerusalem.
Aside from the ruminating of some dumb fishermen there is no mention in the bible of an actual place you go to pay for your sins for all eternity. Only in the new testament is any mention to a lake of fire or eternal damnation in fire and brimstone, which as I said was written by some dumb fishermen.
Sorry but LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! i wish i was there.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey11223
Heaven or Hell, the fact that so many humans can't consolidate the notion beyond the idea of "a place" shows that those same humans are not ready to think about such things just yet ;).
I think it's a state of mind. A place would be a psysical world thing that you can see, feel, and touch but we would not be what we are now, and it's all mind related so....a state of mind is what it would be IMO. Anyway who knows, maybe we really are nothing and have no future after we are dead,which would mean we are a mistake for the fact we live 1 minutes or 100+ years and that's all in the 14 billion year old universe. You know how dumb it would be for a baby to live for 1 minute and die from complications only to never exist again? wow.....:shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Replicon
I personally believe in the left hand path, which basically means I come up with my own morals and values. In my life I basically do what I want. This doesn't mean the things I do are bad they are just what I want to do. I dont let any book or anyone tell me what I am going to do or how I am going to act in my life. The good thing about this type of religion is freedom. Someone in this religion could do good things and be a good person which is all that matters right? There is nothing considered blasphamy to me because my religion is basically is celebrating my existance.
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Come on man, is that necessary? Can you talk about anything on here without insulting someone? At least get the facts strait. What happened in 1958? Do you mean 78? Why criticize what you don't understand? What have Mormons done to you?
Knock on my door when I have a no soliciting sign!!
just kidding lol
I dont have anything against other religion's, but I definently think people spend so much time worrying about doing something "bad" or reading a book that will make them go to hell they miss out in their life. And you only have one life right?
Just something to think about,
Nekratal
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Originally Posted by Nekratal
That's the way the world should be living by. You have 1 life, do what you want to do without having to worry about death stuff which is a downer. celebrate life, not death and your place when you die, help people out who need it, or don't need it but help out anyway. You have no controll over anything except our decisions in life and how we handle them, we all have choices to do what we want, good or bad. I hope you do good because if you did bad and made someone have a hard time then shame on you....
people need to grow up and stop thinking of themselves and how it benefits them and everything is about "me, me, me".
They have fucked up this planet even more, than it previously was.Quote:
Originally Posted by 27
mormons haven;t done anything to me, i used to think they were the mole people!! oh man!!:p
but bah its just a sect of christianity isnt it, since i dont follow God at all, they are all just different views on a falicy to me, im sure most are nice people.
Oh but whoever said New Testament is silly. I thought New Testament was the one we listened to. Old testiment is the one most Christians say doesnt apply anymore, the new Testament is like the more sensible one, so if that mentions hell is a firey place you go when you die, then its true isnt it?
Marvo, care to be more specific?
As for my own view of hell, I believe it is a real place which very, very few people who have lived will go. And I don't believe there is any light or heat in hell.
To get back on topic, I don't know whether or not Riff’s religion considers reading the Book of Mormon a sin, but apparently neither does he.
People converting to mormon, often results in broken friendships, tension in the family and other shit. Also, it has devided the christians into even more different sects, which to some point is both good and bad.
The Jews never had a hell, it was added in by christians who got the concept from Hades (i think it was hades).
No you are not going to hell and I'm a christian saying thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Riff
All of this discussion has gotten off of the oricinal topic of who here is a true Christian or not? That means do you follow the Bible (real christian) or make your own path (not)?
Oops "original" brainfart.
Just to make my post clear, I never answered if you are going to hell, you will not go to hell for reading it, I just personally would not recommend reading it, it's totally up to you though.
No where in the scriptures does it say reading another book is a sin. Now following its word and worshiping another deity other than Yahweh (G-d's true name) is a sin. That is the reason I am no long a Christian. I used to be a Christian, but for the past year I have been discovering the difference between truth and the "great delusion" Paul addressed in 2nd Thessalonian Chapter 2 Verse 11. The entire B-ble as well as most of the english language is filled with paganism, which is one thing that angers Yahweh the most. Oh and to clarify something with you, and this may be hard to believe, but I can prove it.
There is no hell, no lake of burning fire, no eternal torment. This is proven in one of the most well known verses of all time, but is simply overlooked. Read John 3:16 a couple times and tell me what you get from it. Those who believe in the Messiah, Yehoshua (J-sus Chr-st is NOT his name, but is derived from the greek language and is based off of their pagan gods, therefore I am not allowed to speak it from my lips either) will have eternal life, but those who do not will perish. How can one perish if he is burning eternally in "hell"? Hell was derived from the word Gehenna which was a burning pit in Israel. It was used in a parable that was misinterpreted back in the fire and brimstone days, which has been passed through generations because it is embedded within our minds as truth.
Oh and a quick mention, there is no Satan or Devil known as Lucifer. I can prove that also.
If anyone is interested I have plenty more information which fully disproves modern Christian beliefs. I am still a follower of Yahweh, I am just more personal with him, rather than calling him by such a universal, valueless word such as G-d.
Amal, it really depends if you're a protestant or a catholic. Protestants (Luthernists?) are probably the most respectable sect of christians.
Denmark is the product of a protestant country. Most danes don't care about God, they don't follow the Bible, they follow the law. Atheism is the way to go, in my opinion, but protestants are also okay, aslong as they stay out politics, which is pretty much what they do, in Denmark.
I'm an atheist myself though, stopped believeing around the age of 6. Even in that age, I realized, that a God is simply not possible, a being with such power and wisdom can not exist. Not in our universe.
yeah same in finland, im a protestant (lutheran or how ever u spell it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvo
Words are just words. You know 'bible just means 'books' right? Why wouldn't the 'great delusion' part of the bible also be pagan? I agree there is not lake of fire or anything like that but I believe there is most definatly a Hell and a Satan. Couldn't the word perish have ment being cast down to hell? And I truely belive that the Book of Mormon is the word of God.Quote:
No where in the scriptures does it say reading another book is a sin. Now following its word and worshiping another deity other than Yahweh (G-d's true name) is a sin. That is the reason I am no long a Christian. I used to be a Christian, but for the past year I have been discovering the difference between truth and the "great delusion" Paul addressed in 2nd Thessalonian Chapter 2 Verse 11. The entire B-ble as well as most of the english language is filled with paganism, which is one thing that angers Yahweh the most. Oh and to clarify something with you, and this may be hard to believe, but I can prove it.
There is no hell, no lake of burning fire, no eternal torment. This is proven in one of the most well known verses of all time, but is simply overlooked. Read John 3:16 a couple times and tell me what you get from it. Those who believe in the Messiah, Yehoshua (J-sus Chr-st is NOT his name, but is derived from the greek language and is based off of their pagan gods, therefore I am not allowed to speak it from my lips either) will have eternal life, but those who do not will perish. How can one perish if he is burning eternally in "hell"? Hell was derived from the word Gehenna which was a burning pit in Israel. It was used in a parable that was misinterpreted back in the fire and brimstone days, which has been passed through generations because it is embedded within our minds as truth.
Oh and a quick mention, there is no Satan or Devil known as Lucifer. I can prove that also.
If anyone is interested I have plenty more information which fully disproves modern Christian beliefs. I am still a follower of Yahweh, I am just more personal with him, rather than calling him by such a universal, valueless word such as G-d.
hm, continue. =]
What have you decided Riff? Are you reading it?
I agree with 27 about the whole Hell issue... but doesn't everyone religious (or ex-religious) person here realize that there are at least 5 books that were cut out of the Old Testament, my personal favorite of them being The Book of Enoch?:bowdown::mad::mad:
Riff, what about just praying about it? Ask God if it's the right thing to do.
I had some mormons visit my door when I was a student. They gave me a free book which I duly accepted - I will never turn down a free book folks ROFL It was raining so I decided to keep them talking on the door step for as long as I could, discussing life, the universe and everything, they were quite jovial until I entered into a discussion about the finer points of the Tarot and they were not best impressed - they never did come back :rolleyes:
I had a little read but the main lead character a Mr Smith couldn't hold my attention, why not Luke Skywalker or something!
:D lolQuote:
Originally Posted by joey11223
I was born a Christian but I'm no longer a believer, for my own reasons. Anyway I thought that the bible was the word of God, as interpreted by many prophets. The Old Testament is before Christ, and the New Testament is after Christ (or including him). Am I right so far? If not poke me in the eyes. So, if there wasn't a hell before, and now there is a hell, then that means that Jesus Christ caused hell? Because as far as I understand he is what separates the Old Testament from the New???Quote:
Originally Posted by joey11223
I make my own path.Quote:
Originally Posted by gothicviceroy112
Yeah there are a whole lotta books left out of the Bible, Old Testament and New. The Council of Nicae sat and decided just which books would go in and which wouldn't, in order to unify the "Church". So why are those books less bibley than the others?Quote:
Originally Posted by gothicviceroy112
Riff, read the book. You won't go to hell. You'll just learn a little.
Or, you'll spend all eternity in a place of torment, suffering, and burning, along with murderers and rapists, because you read the book.... I don't think so!
I believe the lake of fire and stuff is metaphorical. Who says there wasn't a hell in the Old Testiment?
Ive decided it wasn't too big of a deal and im going to read it. First im going to finsih the bible though, then read it skeptically.
Why did all you athiest answer? If i wanted an opinion on sinning i dont believe atheist would know anything. haha but thanks anyways.
See, this thread COULD have ended here, with your conclusive decision, but instead, you decided to make a statement that atheists are basically bad people because they're atheists. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised, since that's verbatim what the bible says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riff
What the HELL are you talking about. I said Athiests probably wouldnt know anythinga bout sinning. Not that they are bad people. So stop trying to start drama and go kill yourself. mkay. goodnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Replicon
You do realize that most atheists were Xian before realizing the truth, right? Many were devout. Get your facts right before you insult people. And no, you're not going to hell because it doesn't exist and even if it did reading the Book of Mormon isn't a sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riff
Haha who's trying to start drama? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Riff
You should have been more clear on "atheists don't know anything about sinning"... do you mean to say that atheists don't know the difference between doing good things and doing bad things (i.e. sinning)? In this case, by "sinning", do you mean "doing bad bad things that bad people do", or do you mean sinning in the religious sense (e.g. being gay = "sinning")?
Just for the record, Hell isn't exactly what most people think it is.
In that context, there is no "Hell"
No, you are not going to hell as it does not exist.
Thank you, Keeper! I really wish more christians saw it the way you do. I can't stand it when people talk about how their soul will burn in hell. While nobody knows what a soul is, or whether they exist at all, I can almost guarantee you that they're not made of methane. Your soul is not flammable!Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeper
Haha okay. Whatever, i believe hell exists... but why do you say that? Is there proof? Im confused. Why do you say it doesnt exists?
I dont realize. I've never heard of Xian before, what is that? And yah my bad man. I didnt mean to insult. I was a bit grumpy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeautifulDreamer
A Xian is slang for christian (see xmas)
Ya, I suppose that is the only real defense you have against me, seeing how your ideas are wrong, eh Riff? Pointing out minor flaws- Oh, wait, that was slang. It's a word. But wow!
Back in my catholic days, I would actually talk to my religion teacher after hours about random stuff, and one of the things I asked him was about his views on hell. The man was originally training to become a priest (but decided he wanted a family), so his opinion on the matter > most people's. I never said hell doesn't exist (in the christian mindset), just that if it does, it isn't what some people believe (i.e. place where your soul will buuurrrn, ooohhhhhhhhhh), but rather a state of limbo and solitude your soul is in. And you can get out of that state by accepting, and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riff
The concept of hell is just.. Eughhh.
Hey, if you don't do and act exactly what we want you, you're going to burn.
yah confusing. I'm just going to take Hell as a place i dont want to be.