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      Well in all honesty what he posted was from the Old Testament..And to be honest again, Yes reading the Old Testament I thought God at times was harsh--even before Jesus came back into my life i thought

      "How could God do such a thing?"

      Now here is the lowdown..

      in the OT God was very *MEAN* for short use of words..In the OT there was alot of death,sex,murder,sacrafice,confusion....

      God gave Moses the 10 commandments on Mount Zion...Now if we were to go by the laws of the OT today, we would all be dead and sent to the lake of fire because we of course are all sinners and have broken some or all laws of the 10 commandments...But since God sent his Son Jesus Christ to the earth...Instead of Mankind being totally killed and sent to the lake of Fire...Jesus Christ sacraficed his life for us all and for all of our sins *including sinning against the 10 commandments* and anybody who Trust in Jesus and proclaims Himm as their Savior will not perish but instead be granted everlasting life.....

      We are forgiven for our Sins through Jesus Christ....

      Why did God show so much FURY in the Old Testament..

      Well in the Numbers passage Neuro stated above God is sending Moses into the town of Midion, what Neuro forgot to explain is, why?

      Numbers 31:2

      Then the Lord said to Moses " Take vengance on the Midianites for leading the Israelites into Idolarty, after that you will die and join your ancestors"

      Now Mindianites led the Israelites into believeing False Idols *Idolarty*

      Exodus 20:4

      "Do not make false idols of any kind, whether in the shape of birds or animals or fish. You must never worship or bow down to them. For I, The LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not share your affection with any other god."

      That explains why the Midionites were killed and Moses placed War on them..

      yes Moses was a murder no doubt, but he did as God asked, he was Obedient to what God asked--no matter how harsh

      In closing..We are not bound by the Old Testament Laws anymore *they still play a tremendous role* but since the coming of CHRIST we are forgiven for our sins through him...


      (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

      As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you
      Again Neuro left out the important stuff that explains the passage above.. If you were to read further more after the passage stated just above this it says this

      DEUTERONOMY 20:15
      "v14 you may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that Lord your God have given you....v15:BUT these instructions apply only to distant towns, not to the towns of nations nearby"

      Verse 16: "As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely destroy* the Hittities,Amorites,Canaanites, Perizzities, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the Lord Your God has commanded you. This will keep the people of the land from teaching you their detestable customs in the worship of their gods, which would cause you to sin deeply against the Lord Your God"

      So those names and tribes listed above were killed and their towns cleared out because they posed a threat against God and his people *Moses and the Israelites*..God had them killed because he didnt want the israelities to fall into their False worship of other so called *Gods*, which would cause them to sin deeply against the LORD

      If you dont believe in Christ...Your sins are awaiting to be Forgiven by the LORD..You have to take the step and accept him into your Life..

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      Okay, that is much more on point. Thanks. You say you think God was mean in the Old Testament. The Jesus factor was added later, but do you think God is still mean? Remember... The Old Testament says that the laws of God are perfect and eternal. So we are supposedly not let off the hook regarding any of the demands regarding taking over towns or the allowances regarding "keeping" virgins. Do you agree with that?
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      Yea, the biblical God sucks. We better off worshiping kangaroos. At least they are not responsible for genocide and mass rape, plus they are cute the way they jump.
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      Quote Originally Posted by SilverZero View Post
      Sorry everybody, I'm out of the game for a few more days. I've got a new baby girl to take care of.
      Lol more like your out of the game for life...Children are hazardous to your health hehe. Happy, um...whatever word you would say to say GL with your new baby =)

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      Yea, the biblical God sucks. We better off worshiping kangaroos. At least they are not responsible for genocide and mass rape, plus they are cute the way they jump
      God is not responsible for genocide and mass rape...God gave us free choice to choose what we want to believe and do what we want...people know right from wrong, if they want to commit genocide they will commit genocide, it is not God deciding for them..same goes for rape..


      Okay, that is much more on point. Thanks. You say you think God was mean in the Old Testament. The Jesus factor was added later, but do you think God is still mean? Remember... The Old Testament says that the laws of God are perfect and eternal. So we are supposedly not let off the hook regarding any of the demands regarding taking over towns or the allowances regarding "keeping" virgins. Do you agree with that?
      I dont think God is still mean..Does God get angry? Of course God gets angry, we all get Angry...God feels every feeling that we have already felt and he knows all our feelings...Now about the towns being taking over and the virgins being kept...I believe people should wait until marriage to have sex (sadly I have not done that because I didnt believe in God/Jesus my whole life)

      About taking over the towns, I really dont have enough information to make a good responce.. ( i am in 2nd samuel in the OT) But what I can say is this.

      Alot of people are missing the point of the Bible or making it out to be something its not or that it doesnt truly mean...

      The War in Iraq...how we "Invaded" a country to stop terrorism.... You can look at that in 2 points of view (today or back when moses was around)

      1.)Today: Yes in some ways it was Good we went over there to stop the Terrorist and try to help a country out in need...but honestly we just tossed ourselves into a mix of battles between tribes that have been raging for years and years--now we are just trying to get ourselves and fix something that maybe unfixable

      2.)Moses Era: Obviously God did not command the troops to invade Iraq, our president Did...Do I believe God agrees with this War....Well in Revelations it talks about the beginning Wars that are going to end it all, and it all takes place in the Middle East...I believe God has his views on it, good and bad...

      In the end, I believe things need to be dealt with in a manner that pleases God..If you are not commanded by God to do something, then dont do it..Doing so is Disobeying God...if God gives you a command, obey and do as he says...

      Of course people blame God for many things "Oh God told me to kill this guy"

      But like I said, God has his hands behind his back..He have given us free will to choose what we want to do and what life we want to live for..If you stab someone a thousand times, it is not God who did, but you yourself..
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      Bible lesson 5

      So you have been reading the bible, well the bible is science!

      1. Now Gallieo, we all know Gallieo got locked up by teaching something the bible said was wrong. But, then Gallieo was wrong, the sun did revolve around the earth. Now I think Catholic priest have a better idea of what science is.

      2. This leads me on to Darwin. Now, Darwin was a atheist and evil and he denoced evolution at the end of his life to return to the bible. Although 99% of biologist believe in evolution and the only biologist against evolution is Behe(who has been debunked various times). These Biologist are liers and proberly rapist as morals come from the good book.

      3. Big bang. Hawkings and his bands of theortical physician are wrong. See who knows better physics, holy people who have god and jesus or people who have Hawking. See with the good book you don't need facts or evidence or even logic anwsers, all you need is the good book and jesus.

      4. Lack of historical evidence. Their is no way to know if jesus existed as it was reported about 80 years after he was born. Not only that their is no evidence for moses or their being jewish slaves. However it says in the good book that jesus exist, and the good book is the word of god and we all know it is correct.

      5. Who needs facts or evidence when you have the good book. So all you atheist people, repent and get knowledge from jesus christ and the word of god.

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      Quote Originally Posted by wendylove View Post
      So you have been reading the bible, well the bible is science!

      1. Now Gallieo, we all know Gallieo got locked up by teaching something the bible said was wrong. But, then Gallieo was wrong, the sun did revolve around the earth. Now I think Catholic priest have a better idea of what science is.

      2. This leads me on to Darwin. Now, Darwin was a atheist and evil and he denoced evolution at the end of his life to return to the bible. Although 99% of biologist believe in evolution and the only biologist against evolution is Behe(who has been debunked various times). These Biologist are liers and proberly rapist as morals come from the good book.

      3. Big bang. Hawkings and his bands of theortical physician are wrong. See who knows better physics, holy people who have god and jesus or people who have Hawking. See with the good book you don't need facts or evidence or even logic anwsers, all you need is the good book and jesus.

      4. Lack of historical evidence. Their is no way to know if jesus existed as it was reported about 80 years after he was born. Not only that their is no evidence for moses or their being jewish slaves. However it says in the good book that jesus exist, and the good book is the word of god and we all know it is correct.

      5. Who needs facts or evidence when you have the good book. So all you atheist people, repent and get knowledge from jesus christ and the word of god.
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      Quote Originally Posted by wendylove View Post
      3. Big bang. Hawkings and his bands of theortical physician are wrong. See who knows better physics, holy people who have god and jesus or people who have Hawking.
      Don't forget that God also struck Hawking with Lou Gehrig's disease to punish him for pulling back the curtain on the universe. Lou Gehrig was of course a famous baseball player. God hates baseball as well.
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      Bible lesson 6

      100% of Xian holidays are pagan-based, and hodge-podged.

      For example:

      Christmas:

      Christian backing: The celebration of their "saviour"

      Pagan backing: The birth of the sungod, Dec 25

      Other influences:

      Germany: Influenced the christmas tree

      Britain: The stocking


      Easter:

      Xian Backing: The revival of their supposed saviour

      Pagan backing: The beggining of spring, and fertility

      Aslo influenced the easter bunny, and easter eggs.




      Other pagan infulences:

      Halos:

      They do NOT mean good, they are a sign of fertility.

      The trinity: Yes, Xianity is a polytheistic religion. The trinity was created by early pagan leaders in Xianity.













      And then you Xians preach that your religion is the "right" one.





      Coming soon, Bible lesson 7, "Genesis' Flaws"

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      So, spiritofthewolf, God has experienced lust?
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      The Bible Lesson posts have been merged and the thread re-opened.

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      Where is God?

      Ok so...why doesn't God show himself? I mean if he really wants us to believe in him and do as he says, wouldn't it make sense?

      Oh wait, I know because that would take away our free will oh yeah!

      oh wait, but didn't Jesus appear to people after he was dead? Wait wait oh no i'm getting confused, I can have free will but those people in the past can not? Oh no, my world is crumbling around me. X.X

      If God loved anyone, he would show himself so the people wouldn't have to worry about the fact that they could be steered into ANY FREAKING RELIGION ON THE PLANET based on the fact that the religion says it true. Since the bible says He loves you (and jesus too), then it doesn't make sense for Him not to show Himself.
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      Because obviously God just loves testing you. He likes it when you use logic and decide he doesnt exist, so he can send you to hell. There is no other reason why he wouldnt make himself present.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming View Post
      Because obviously God just loves testing you. He likes it when you use logic and decide he doesnt exist, so he can send you to hell. There is no other reason why he wouldnt make himself present.
      =) I like your ava....manbear pig or whatever hehe.

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      Quote Originally Posted by joey11223 View Post
      Hey Lucid, one thing i never understood about the whole Satan thing is..

      I thought angels were perfect and sinless creatures. So why did Satan suddenly get these evil thoughts to overthrow God( i assume that's what he was trying to do). I assumed that God made angels, so why did of his perfect angels suddenly go against him, did God himself introduce that evil?

      Also why didn't God simply kill Satan, or end his existence somehow. Also why did God cast down 1/3 of the angels? Where they all evil too or did he do it so the Devil would have minions, unfair on good angels.

      Also why not send humans that don't deserve heaven... nowhere. As in just end their existence, i mean ok they don't deserve heaven, but many many people don;t deserve eternal pain. In fact i suppose no one deserved pain eternally if they are sorry.

      Dat be some of joeys queries for ya.
      First of all, angels are spirit as God is, but they have free will. Satan's pride was his ownfall

      I as a Catholic just believe in Hell as a place where souls do not attain their true perfection by being with God.

      P.S All atheists should have tolerance on this thread with reghards to our religion!
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      Is Christianity the one with the three-god (who is also his own son) and a devil that punishes you?

      I'd rather be Hindu.
      NO

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      The RS forum has become an Atheist Onslaught, I wish there were some intelligetn theists with some half decent points on here. Itd really make things much more interesting.
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      Quote Originally Posted by imran_p View Post
      The RS forum has become an Atheist Onslaught, I wish there were some intelligetn theists with some half decent points on here. Itd really make things much more interesting.
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      Quote Originally Posted by wannywan View Post
      Is Christianity the one with the three-god (who is also his own son) and a devil that punishes you?

      I'd rather be Hindu.

      NO! Wannywan,He is NOT a triple God He iis one God in three persons,

      they're all of the same essence which is GOD, but they have different tasks.

      God= divine protector and benfactor

      Jesus= Our redeemer, spirit of GOD made flesh by the Holy Spirit

      (they r the same but different, in that Jesus was human to know us)

      Holy Spirit+ miracle-worker, soul-filler, divine love outpoured.


      Also the devil is one of the TORMENTED in Hell, probably the most because he was a Seraph(highest-ranking angel)he has power over man< but nothing Divine Love can't handle!
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      So he's one god divided into three bits, basically a triple god?

      Or are there distinct, seperate named entities for no reason?

      [edit] And the devil, why doesn't he just repent?
      Last edited by wannywan; 08-16-2007 at 05:31 PM. Reason: I love debating fairytales.
      NO

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      No, they have the Divine love that enables them to all be called GOD.
      Sort of like a hive mind thing.
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      Could god be split into, say, 4 entities if it so desired?

      Could it manifest itself in a new 'christ'?
      NO

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      He could, but he won't. The thing is Christ only was born so that he might know human emotion and the cause of our sins and therefore erase the separation that Adam's fall caused.

      P.s: be sure to have an open mind!
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