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      Forget about it

      Last night I awoke at 4:30 AM and since it wasn't time to get up I began to fall back asleep when I entered into a hypnogogic state and the Spirits came. One rubbed my feet and another one climbed into the bed behind me and lay down draping their arm across me. I always reach up to take their hands when they do this. Just to make sure they are really their. When I felt his fingers I relaxed. But then he said "Whatever you do don't xxxxxxx."
      I said "Ok, I wont." Then I slowly fell asleep. When I got up this morning I couldn't remember what he said not to do. I forgot completely. For all I know he could have said "Whatever you do don't go on the web." I am assuming he was talking about something I was thinking about doing out of the ordinary. So that this thing that I was thinking about doing I am not going to do. How would you handle such a situation?

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      I advise you to rethink your belief in magical spirits and maybe join the scientific world view. If you did this, you'd realize that those spirits are simply imaginations of your mind and it will give you the freedom to handle them openly. By thinking of them as seperate entities, not only are you damaging your mental health, you are also ridding yourself of the possibility to change anything about them.

      And, if you don't plan on changing your world view anytime soon, I would advise you to start meditating and try to connect those spirits again to see what they're up to. Then you might enter into conversation and get some insight into what they wanted to tell you.

      However, of those 2 possibilities, one will get you into the loony bin sooner or later, the other won't.

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      Isn't that the kind of thing that's supposed to happen when you're [falling] asleep?

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      Yes. It's hypogopia. Or something spelt like that. I get fragments of conversation too. It's not real, don't worry.
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      Nope. It's spirits using Hypnogogia to reach you, and yes, it is real. Also the day some authority tries to lock me up in a looney bin is the day he's going to lose his nuts. Also there is nothing wrong with these spirits. It is people's superstitions that keep them away. They will most certainly not connect to anyone who does not believe that they are always out there. Yes they can be scary. But they are not of a mean or cruel nature. You need to go to men for that. Thar ya go.

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      Just to play devil's advocate, what makes you sure these spirits are real, and not just part of the standard drifting into lucidity?

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      Well, if it was something really important, I'm sure you'll get the message again.

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      Their hands are solid. Their bodies are solid. They touch you. They lean against you. They can lift you up. They look at you. You look at them. Its simple. What you see and feel is what you get.

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      Why don't you document and prove their existence somehow and then become rich and famous?
      NO

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      Quote Originally Posted by vee View Post
      Their hands are solid. Their bodies are solid. They touch you. They lean against you. They can lift you up. They look at you. You look at them. Its simple. What you see and feel is what you get.
      I assumed that in a forum focusing on lucid dreaming, one of the few possibilies to experience something as real while knowing it is not, some solid skepticism would be the norm.

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      There is nothing wrong with being skeptical. I am on many things. Just not on this. I do not believe in hallucinations.

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      It is obvious that you should do nothing at all for fear of something dreadful happening if you do :p

      No but really, if it was all that important, they'll tell you again. Tell me, do these spirits come only during hypnagogia or at other points, or in dreams anyway? I'm intrigued

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      Yes they come in hypnogogia and hypnopompic. But those are just doorways. But the most powerful ones come in the middle of the night and wake you up. So that you sit up in bed and there they are. Some grab you and hold you close. Some just look at you. So you look at them. Some bring gifts. Some are gifts. One scared me half to death. It wasn't anything he did. I felt badly about myself that day. In the middle of the night this spirit came and sat down heavily on my bed. I woke right away but instead of looking at him I leaned over onto his lap and began to cry. I cried a long time and then realized that the spirit was wearing blue jeans. I had been calling this particular spirit "Boo". I thought to myself, "What the hell.....Boo wears Blue Jeans?" Then I looked up at him curiously. It scared me so bad my hair stood on end. He was huge. He wore a red checkered shirt over a mountain of a bellie. His face was white. His hair was solid white and shoulder length. Sweat or some kind of oil was oozing from his face. So his face was real shiny. His eyes were rocks. Two pieces of turquoise. I fainted. Then I woke up in the morning.

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      I call bullshit.
      NO

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      Yes... I'm quite sure these are nothing more than Hypnagogic Imagery and Audio... No spirits at all... In fact: you might've been on the very edge of dreaming and waking reality... So while it might FEEL very real, It's probably nothing more than a 'dream' while being JUST THAT LITTLE BIT awake... That, or it might've been a dream in itself, and seeing that dreams can be extremely vivid (especially the lucid one you'd probably entered), it's doesn't is much of a shock that it felt so real...

      But what the hell...

      Believe whatever you want to believe... As long as you don't hurt others with it

      And as long as you do not get f*cked up by them yourself (i.e. get scared or even paranoid)
      Last edited by TimB; 08-16-2007 at 01:36 PM.

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      Why dont you just carry a big sign saying troll my thread.
      "...You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world..." - Terence McKenna

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      I'm not saying here that those things aren't spirits, but I am going to go ahead and say your exact description CAN be hypnogognic imagery. Here's the thing - hypnogognic imagery has been thorougly documented, researched, and experienced by billions of people (technically, by every single person on the face of the planet unless they have some sort of disorder). The fact is, your body can reproduce in hypnogognic imagery and dreams ANY combination of imagery that you experience. It is very silly to base an assumption on something a spirit based on your senses, because 100% of your senses are controlled by your DREAM. They are solid. That is your reasoning. Well sorry to break your bubble, but dream imagery is solid as well. Furthermore, as I said, hypnogognic imagery (and dreams moreso) are very very well documented. They are a scientific fact. Sure, I understand where people come from when they believe in ghosts because there is no scientific explanation. But when a scientific explanation already exists, well, that is an unhealthy amount of belief.

      Believe what you will...

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      Hey wannywan.....hahahahahaha....That's alright. I respect your opinion.

      Howdy Imran....I have no clue to the meaning of what you typed. Sorry.

      Ataraxis...No worries. You didn't break my bubble. I do not believe in your supposition's as I do not believe in hallucinations. I have read a lot on hypnogogia and hypnopompic experiences. Just because they have decided that such incidents are not real but just imagery does not mean they are correct. And yes. I know it is world wide and that it is happening to many people. Exactly what makes this unhealthy. Is it the fact that I am not going along with the masses on this?

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      Quote Originally Posted by vee View Post
      There is nothing wrong with being skeptical. I am on many things. Just not on this. I do not believe in hallucinations.
      Of course! So people's furniture really DOES turn into animals when they're on LSD!

      How blind of us.

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      Sorry Xei,
      Do not know anything about LSD. Except that it was big in the 60's. Furniture turning into people????? Never have heard of this. Kinda sounds like throwing the baby out with the bathwater to me.

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      He's saying that people on LSD have hallucinations where crazy stuff happens, which they may believe to be real at the time. But then they don't carry on thinking that what happened when they were high really happened in real life when they come down. Using the furniture animal example:

      Say when you were high on LSD you saw an armchair turn into a dog. According to your theory on how the spirits are "real" then the armchair definitely did just turn into a dog because you saw it happen and you touched the "dog" as well. As you were able to do this the armchair dog MUST be real. Whereas it was in fact a product of the hallucinogen.

      Do you see the connections between the two?

      (Spirits and armchair-dog that is)
      *............*............*

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      Howdy Goldney,
      First it was armchairs turning into people. Then it was armchairs turning into dogs. Also its still about LSD. I still know nothing about LSD. Ok.....so an armchair (turns into) a dog. This has never happened to me. But lets suppose a dog dies under a tree and slowly feeds the tree through his decomposition. Now the dog is in the tree. One fine day someone takes LSD and boom.....sees the dog who resides in the tree. But only for a moment. Then the dog turns back into the armchair. Just because it becomes visible for a few moments, then can no longer be seen does not mean that it doesn't exist. That person saw it. In such a case I will give (the ability to see it) to the taking of the LSD. What I will not give to the LSD is the making of the dog. The dog was already there. This world is swarming with spirits.

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      Quote Originally Posted by vee View Post
      Howdy Goldney,
      First it was armchairs turning into people. Then it was armchairs turning into dogs. Also its still about LSD.
      Maybe you just need to try rereading what was written.
      I still know nothing about LSD. Ok.....so an armchair (turns into) a dog. This has never happened to me. But lets suppose a dog dies under a tree and slowly feeds the tree through his decomposition. Now the dog is in the tree. One fine day someone takes LSD and boom.....sees the dog who resides in the tree. But only for a moment. Then the dog turns back into the armchair. Just because it becomes visible for a few moments, then can no longer be seen does not mean that it doesn't exist. That person saw it. In such a case I will give (the ability to see it) to the taking of the LSD. What I will not give to the LSD is the making of the dog. The dog was already there. This world is swarming with spirits.
      Man, I wasn't expecting to have to explain a concept so simple.

      When you take LSD, it affects the way the visual part of your brain works.

      It causes the images in your mind to be irrationally skewed. You might see a sofa explode, as a crude example.

      The sofa did not explode even though at the time you may have thought that your hallucination was real. The way the visual parts of the brain were working at the time were causing you to perceive the visual data from your eyes in the wrong way.

      You don't think hallucinations are real. I suppose in the above example there was some sort of, essence of sofa explosion spirit floating around the room at the time?

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      LSD: A drug which causes hallucinations.
      Hallucinations: Things which you see that aren't really there.

      Are we all working off the same page now?
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      Somehow I think that's being a bit optimistic.

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