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      Re-read my post, you are missing my point and obviously don't understand what I am trying to say. If you still don't get it I will lay it out even clearer to you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jaasum View Post
      Oneironaught

      Re-read my post, you are missing my point and obviously don't understand what I am trying to say. If you still don't get it I will lay it out even clearer to you.
      You are saying that to be proven is "just not the point of God". True, the point of God is to give believers something "to believe in", to give them hope and something to lean on in the tough times. But my point is that if God wants people to believe - and God is all-powerful - then why would God play mind games instead of just showing the skeptics once and for all that they are wrong?

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      I think you need to learn more about Christianity (assuming that is what we are talking about here) to get that question answered, because that is somewhat fundamental. So I will just tell you what I personally believe.

      God's goal isn't to prove himself. God's goal is to reveal Himself, and you can only have God reveal Himself to you when you seek. If you make it your lifelong goal to prove how God doesn't exist then that very much will be your reality and that is very much the reality that God wants you to have in order to understand him. Like I said, God isn't going to part the clouds and then press his giant holy man tits against the glass dome of our sky and say "HAHA Skeptics I exist!". You act as if the skeptics are somehow foiling God's plans, when I believe they are very much a part of it. On the flip-side, once you take a leap of faith and begin to search for God, you can find Him everywhere. (notice how I just found God in the skeptics? Well it isn't quite as simple as that and it is a little hard to explain to someone who doesn't want to listen, I think all you want to do is let me say something so you can show me how I am wrong, but that isn't what I am trying to do here, I am not trying to prove anyone wrong, just trying to see if you can understand my logic)

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      I'm not sure who all caught it, but my point that a page of equations relating to the theory of relativity was a formal proof of the nonexistence of God was a spoof and a satire. I have said in other threads that it is impossible to prove that no god exists. I don't think it's impossible to prove that the Judeo-Chrisian-Muslim God does not exist because the concept of that character contradicts itself, but it is not possible to prove that the universe was not created by a conscious being. I think it is a profoundly far fetched concept, but nobody can conclusively prove that it is false. The page of equations was not a step by step proof, and those equations are way over the heads of non-physicists, so my posting of the page was a spoof on the idea of proving the nonexistence of God. Then I said that nobody can explain how the page does not prove the existence of God, which illustrates this point...

      Quote Originally Posted by ethen View Post
      the burden of proof in on the person making the claim
      ... and I also said that anybody who has questions should refer to the page, which is so much like the responses I have gotten here where people have told me to read the Bible to find the answers to the questions I am asking them. I can't believe anybody took me seriously on it, but I couldn't resist riding it out for a while.
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      ohh, sneaky sneaky


      I thought you had said something like that in the beginning, or maybe in a different thread somewhere. But you'd be suprised by some of the arguments I have come across in the past. I actually thought you were being serious

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      I'm not sure who all caught it, but my point that a page of equations relating to the theory of relativity was a formal proof of the nonexistence of God was a spoof and a satire. I have said in other threads that it is impossible to prove that no god exists. I don't think it's impossible to prove that the Judeo-Chrisian-Muslim God does not exist because the concept of that character contradicts itself, but it is not possible to prove that the universe was not created by a conscious being. I think it is a profoundly far fetched concept, but nobody can conclusively prove that it is false. The page of equations was not a step by step proof, and those equations are way over the heads of non-physicists, so my posting of the page was a spoof on the idea of proving the nonexistence of God. Then I said that nobody can explain how the page does not prove the existence of God, which illustrates this point...



      ... and I also said that anybody who has questions should refer to the page, which is so much like the responses I have gotten here where people have told me to read the Bible to find the answers to the questions I am asking them. I can't believe anybody took me seriously on it, but I couldn't resist riding it out for a while.
      Too bad you admitted to the joke; should I explain the equations and show why they have nothing to do with the topic anyway?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      Too bad you admitted to the joke; should I explain the equations and show why they have nothing to do with the topic anyway?
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