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    • Atheist. 100% certain there is no god.

      4 6.45%
    • Atheist. Not Absolutely, 100% certain there is no god.

      19 30.65%
    • Christian. 100% certain there is a god.

      18 29.03%
    • Christian. Not Absolutely, 100% certain there is a god.

      5 8.06%
    • None of the above. Can agnosts even be 100% certain about not knowing if for sure?

      16 25.81%
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      How strongly do you believe?

      I was wondering, what people believe, and how that relates to how absolutely they believe. For instance, most Atheists don't exclude the existence of god, you can't really falsify anything. God, easter bunny, Allah, all possible. Yet very unlikely, especially the personal, Christian-specific (Mormon, Roman catholic) god.

      I have the feeling Theists, on the other hand, are more 100%, absolutely certain of the existence of their god.

      Vote away.

      p.s. I see the chance of a specific Christian god existing, as smaller than 0.1% percent.
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      .1%? That is actually a rather large percentage...

      I realize that there is NO evidence of a god. However, lack of evidence doesn't disprove something.

      I believe in a christian god just as much I believe there is an invisible pink horse living beneath my house that has a network of underground passageways for escaping orphans.

      There is just as much evidence for the latter.

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      Maybe if you were visited by those unicorns.

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      Where is the 100% belief in Krishna option? Thor? YHWH?

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      I started to say wtf, what does that last statement mean? Then I saw who started the thread and understood the irony. I think. I'm a little buzzed so I could be w4ong.

      Seriously, Neruo, expalin your math.

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      What he means by the last statement is, Does it even make sense to say "I'm 100% sure that I'm not sure"
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      Question How do we define what a 'god' is, anyway?

      For my part, I'm totally agnostic for three reasons:
      a)An all-powerful, all-knowing God is (at least according to my view of the world) completely indifferent to humanity, so untestable *and* irrelevant to humans on any sort of personal level
      b)A 'god' need not be all-powerful and all-knowing to convince a human of his divinity
      c)Beings of greater power and greater intelligence almost certainly exist somewhere. In fact, some clever humans have been able to convince others of their own godhood.

      I have yet to see/touch/feel a being that qualified as a 'god,' but I like to think that a human who loves his fellows unconditionally would be worthy of some kind of worship. After all, the only being that can truly be *greater* than a human is a being of greater benevolence(though one may debate the status of an infinitely benevolent, powerful, though witless being). Beings of greater malevolence are universally agreed to be lower on the scale of divinity than humans, despite whatever power or intelligence they may have.

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      Quote Originally Posted by wasup View Post
      there is an invisible pink horse living beneath my house that has a network of underground passageways for escaping orphans.
      Who told you about that!?


      anyways...

      Christian. Not Absolutely, 100% certain there is a god.

      more like half and half.

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      Heh, not trying to start anything, though I doubt it can be helped. But I find it interesting that no Atheists are not 100% certain on the denial of the existence of a God.
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      Where's the option for Deism.

      Oh well, guess I'll just wait for results. Good topic though.

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      I am a Christian, and my belief is pretty solid. It's not absolute, but if you put it into a number, it's up there in the 90s.
      Are you dreaming?

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      YOU GUYS WANT PROOF OF GOD? HUH?!

      Well here it is








































      thats right, a fucking baby's smile!

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      Hush! Shhhh. The grownups are talking.



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      I don't fi into the Christianity-Atheism spectrum but I have pretty thorough beliefs that I take with a grain of salt. I believe the natural world can be completely understood through the five senses with no need for faith, as long as one understands the importance of doing good and giving love.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      But those last two statements are faith based ideas. Look at monkeys, given the chance they beat, kill, and eat one another. Do you think they developed the concept of "brotherly love" from the natural world?

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      No, they don't but they still know love if they don't understand it.

      One can see the repercussions of giving love or catalyzing hate in the natural world with no need for spiritual beliefs.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      Quote Originally Posted by jaasum View Post
      But those last two statements are faith based ideas. Look at monkeys, given the chance they beat, kill, and eat one another. Do you think they developed the concept of "brotherly love" from the natural world?
      You know absolutely nothing about the evolution of social behavior. Not much about monkeys either.

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      I only have about 90% belief that there is no God, although that rises to 99% when thinking about specific gods like the Christian and Muslim ones.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ExoByte View Post
      Heh, not trying to start anything, though I doubt it can be helped. But I find it interesting that no Atheists are not 100% certain on the denial of the existence of a God.
      There's a good reason for that. It goes to show that most people (at least of those who voted in the poll) who consider themselves "non-religious" or "atheist" aren't as closed-mined as the theists would have you believe. In fact, we are very open-minded. We only expect extraordinary proof to back up extraordinary claims.

      I know... "look at the world around me and tell you there's no God..." It's not quite as clear-cut as that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Moonbeam View Post
      You know absolutely nothing about the evolution of social behavior. Not much about monkeys either.
      Maybe I don't know a lot, but I know I just watched a bunch of monkeys in the congo kill and eat other monkeys for territory, whereas the idea of brotherly love would do no such thing, despite differences or desires.

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      Neruo, you should have put more options..none of these apply to me

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      What would apply?
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      Quote Originally Posted by ExoByte View Post
      What he means by the last statement is, Does it even make sense to say "I'm 100% sure that I'm not sure"
      Exactly.

      Quote Originally Posted by xoxfablisz713 View Post
      Neruo, you should have put more options..none of these apply to me
      Yeah, I'm sorry. I should have added "other religion(s)/belief" or something.

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      Anyhow. I am surprised we still have 2 atheists that don't acknowledge, for instance, that the world is a test by a un-Christian god, and that the atheists go to heaven. Or the (small, but existing) possibility that there is a very lame, lazy, non-showing-up god.

      The point of this tread was to show religious people are more absolutistic than atheists.
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      I guess I choose the agnostic one, but it's not about not knowing for sure. Personally, it's an either or thing or both, and there's no way to tell despite the swarthiness of the science world. There's no point in strongly believing because it all ends up in faith, whether you have faith that science prevails or faith that there is a God. Whatever happens in the end happens, making most of the arguments I've seen here obsolete (whether it be the theist's or atheist's, but ya never know ).


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      Quote Originally Posted by ExoByte View Post
      What would apply?
      im a muslim, and thats not an option.

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