Thread: WBC finally got what was coming to them

Ok, firstly. I am a christian as you know and even I believe that was wrong. God says that his people need to comfort others when they have felt death recently and celebrate the dead persons life when mourners are ready. Now I may be inncorect but I'm pretty sure that picketing someones funeral is NOT comforting nor celebratory and therefore a sin. Even if you didn't take it in a religious light it is still an incredibly mean thing to do and I want to put foreward that MOST christians wouldn't even think of picketing a funeral.

I don't think anyone actually lumps these guys together with mainstream christianity, considering 99.9% of christians hate them as well.

That is sad. They should be shot.

Or at least locked up...

And starved <.<

Can't stand these f'in idiots.

Pure, ignorant evil.

I approve of freedom of speech, but I still can't help but cry when it gets used like this.

It hurts to think that the religion I put my faith in can be interpreted in the way Phelps does.

That is awesome news. The Westboro freaks are the most evil Christians I have ever come across.

Something to point out: As despiccable as the Westboro cult is, they are still angels compared to the most fundamentalist of Muslims.

I just think it's really pathetic that you would go to a funeral were it's obvious that people are sad and picket. Not only are they sad because of the death but considering the low popularity rate with the war the mom or dad or whoever might be doubly crushed by the thought that there loved one died for nothing.

Every time I heard or see a news report about those freaks it makes me f'ckin sick.

...Except that time.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Something to point out: As despiccable as the Westboro cult is, they are still angels compared to the most fundamentalist of Muslims.

Something to counterpoint: That was completely uncalled for.

Also, the WBC haven't had an outsiders' government over in their homeland shelling the Hell out of them (no pun intended) and killing their women and children for the past 40-some-odd years. They also don't live in a region laden with poverty and primitivism. Their standard of living is completely different, from the average fundamentalist Muslim. That is an unfair assessment, for so many reasons. Who knows what freaks like the WBC would do if all conditions were the same?

^^Mabey it was uncalled for, but at least it is true. I mean, it's not like the WBC are issuing out sleepercells, and training sucidal radicals.


Or are they?

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Originally Posted by Seismosaur

^^Mabey it was uncalled for, but at least it is true. I mean, it's not like the WBC are issuing out sleepercells, and training sucidal radicals.


Or are they?

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Agreed. He's right, why was an obvious statement uncalled for?

Hey, that's just my opinion.

Sure, radical Muslims or "extremists" are misguided. I'm not arguing that part.

My statement was twofold:

1) I believe it was uncalled for because there are many peaceful Muslims that would consider themselves as "fundamentalists." Most "fundamentalist" Muslims consider the idea of the Muslim "extreme" (that UM was talking about) as a pervasion of "fundamental Islamic faith," not fundamental Islam.

So, if UM was only talking about "Radical Islamists" or "Islamic extremists" in the sense that we know them today, given our "war on terror," then I would be more inclined to understand, but denouncing "fundamental Muslims" is to be denouncing even the most peaceful of followers to the Islamic faith, which is completely wrong-headed. I called it "uncalled for" in respect to those that are "fundamental Muslims" but follow the interpretation that actually shun the extremist actions.

2) As I said, many people like to try to ignore the fact that we (the U.S., not "we," literally) have been over there killing the descendants and immediate families, of many of the people that we are fighting against, for decades. I'm not trying to get into a debate on whether or not we were right to be doing so, but the WBC don't face that sort of reality. Christian extremists have, in the past, been involved in bloody crusades for the preservation of their faith, which puts them "ideally" within the same range of possible paradigms as the Islamic-extremists. The only real discernible difference is that the WBC live in a world (nation) that is much more modern, and not prone to that sort of violence, unless "properly" provoked. Like I said; if the WBC were to live in a more savage-undeveloped world (as do the majority of these Islamic extremists) who can predict what they would do, if all conditions were reversed? I think comparing the two is unfair because, given the difference in surrounding circumstances for each group, I don't think it's possible to adequately compare the two.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Something to counterpoint: That was completely uncalled for.

Also, the WBC haven't had an outsiders' government over in their homeland shelling the Hell out of them (no pun intended) and killing their women and children for the past 40-some-odd years. They also don't live in a region laden with poverty and primitivism. Their standard of living is completely different, from the average fundamentalist Muslim. That is an unfair assessment, for so many reasons. Who knows what freaks like the WBC would do if all conditions were the same?

So you agree with me? How uncalled for!

There are no excuses for what fundamentalist Muslims do (Notice I used the term "fundamentalist".). It is insane and evil. You also know that I disagree with your assessement of the explanation for their insane evil.

I said what I said because we are talking about religious extremism. I trashed the Hell out of Westboro Baptist Church and then put them further into perspective by pointing out that there is far worse religious extremism out there.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I believe it was uncalled for because there are many peaceful Muslims that would consider themselves as "fundamentalists."

They are wrong if they consider themselves fundamentalists but don't believe in killing people for being non-Muslims. A completely literal interpretation of the Koran involves the message that nonbelievers are to be killed for being nonbelievers. We have a thread on that in this forum.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

They are wrong if they consider themselves fundamentalists but don't believe in killing people for being non-Muslims. A completely literal interpretation of the Koran involves the message that nonbelievers are to be killed for being nonbelievers. We have a thread on that in this forum.

Maybe I missed that one, then. I'll have to look for it unless you can point me directly to it.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You also know that I disagree with your assessement of the explanation for their insane evil.

I understand that, and I'm not excusing them for their actions. I am simply saying that there is much more that goes into their "reasoning" than many of us are willing to admit and honestly consider.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Maybe I missed that one, then. I'll have to look for it unless you can point me directly to it.

I summed up my point in post #65 here...

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...t=43728&page=3

I tried really hard to get the Muslim thread starter, Bigmo, to explain what the quotes really mean, but he kept dodging. PJ and some others were convinced Bigmo was really a spambot with a once in a while person chiming in.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I summed up my point in post #65 here...

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...t=43728&page=3

I tried really hard to get the Muslim thread starter, Bigmo, to explain what the quotes really mean, but he kept dodging. PJ and some others were convinced Bigmo was really a spambot with a once in a while person chiming in.

Honestly, I'm going to have to find something a little more definitive than those quotes. I'm not saying you are wrong, but (to me) all of those look like a matter of interpretation. The word "fight" has many definitions: everything from giving someone the silent treatment, to bitching and moaning, to dropping a hydrogen bomb in a densely populated area.

"You've got to fight for your right, to paaaaaarrrtaaayyy!"

Were the Beastie Boys saying "Take up arms and slaughter all those that stop you from going out on a Saturday night?"

I'm also no expert on the Christian bible, by any means, but isn't it also filled with such (likely) metaphors condemning the non-believers?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I'm also no expert on the Christian bible, by any means, but isn't it also filled with such (likely) metaphors condemning the non-believers?

Yes, it is. Fortunately, Christian fundamentalists overlook most of those messages. For example, the Bible says that believers are to kill people for working on Sunday. I'm glad Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell always ignored that one. It also says that homosexuals are to be killed and that slave owners have a right to beat their slaves because they are their property. It also says that if you look at a woman lustfully, you are to gouge your own eyes out. Those passages used to be taken literally. I'm glad they almost never are any more.

You get radicals in all faiths, people that take an idealogy too far. Would WBC members pursue Islam with the same fervour if they were born into the Muslim community, as opposed to a Christian one? Probably.

Yeah, the fact that the Muslim extremists (stressing extremists, I'm very aware that the majority of the Muslim community views them just as the majority of the Christian community views WBC) are in a far less stable enviroment will obviously make their actions worse. There's the same radical idealogy, but suddenly it has a catalyst that heightens it furthur.

I have no idea, I'm post-whoring.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

Would WBC members pursue Islam with the same fervour if they were born into the Muslim community, as opposed to a Christian one?

I'm pretty sure they would. They probably would have already blown themselves up and taken out some kindergartens and coffee shops by now.

Check out how nutty their main spokesperson is...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D84Q6YGLeIs

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

You get radicals in all faiths, people that take an idealogy too far.

It's not just fundamentalism that is the problem. Amish people are fundamentalists, yet no one is scared of them. A Buddhist fundamentalist probably wouldn't be much of a threat. There are many religions, deluded as they may be, which don't cause the same problems as Islam (and potentially Christianity) when people actually follow what their religious books say to do.

Something totally unrelated: I wonder how much of the difference between how far Muslims will go for their religion and how far Christians will go is somehow related to economics? I think that it is against the Koran to borrow money and pay it back with interest, and they seem to go more for socialism. Christians seem more interested in capitalism, and (despite what Jesus said about rich men, camels, and the eye of a needle), like to be rich. I don't know, just a thought.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Something totally unrelated: I wonder how much of the difference between how far Muslims will go for their religion and how far Christians will go is somehow related to economics? I think that it is against the Koran to borrow money and pay it back with interest, and they seem to go more for socialism. Christians seem more interested in capitalism, and (despite what Jesus said about rich men, camels, and the eye of a needle), like to be rich. I don't know, just a thought.

Hey, there you are considering what I have been saying in the terrorism thread. I am totally sure that it is related to economics.

oh ya, those insanely fundamental Christians who picket outside military funerals with signs like "god killed your children" and "you’re child is now in hell"

good for that father. I’ve always gotten very angry just looking at pictures of those idiots. i would love to curse them out, but something stops me. maybe it’s the desire to have more human decency than them

Hope they get sued out of existence. I think they're all in this for the attention and media coverage.

these guys are so concerned about free speech. id love to see how they would react if a group of homosexuals picketed their church services....i guess the only reason they dont is because they realize it will get them nothing but more intolerance

Yeah, It is kind of funny how they rant about how God hates America then sites the Bill of Rights...