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      This is just a hypothetical question for the Atheists in the Forum: "If - hypothetically speaking - you found out for a fact that God really does exist, under what circumstances would you feel obligated to Worship Him?"

      For the life of me I can't remember seeing this asked here, but I think it is a very relevant question for helping both sides to understand the other.
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      What exactly does "worship" entail?

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      For the most part, Praise and Service.
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      Like, brining in the newspaper and taking out the trash?

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      Ok, then what exactly does "praise and service" entail?

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      Praise: Talking of how great He is, and promising your life to him, etc.

      Service: Doing what He has asked you to do, generally found by reading the Holy Book.
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      I would be very frightened and worried, because if there is a God, it obviously does not have our best interests in mind - it could do a lot better for the world. The rules it seems to hold as important, as set forth in any holy book, are arbitrary and apparently outdated.

      Obviously, however, if it were an omnipotent being I would do my best not to anger it. I don't think I would really be inclined to talk about how great such a being is, though, given the current state of the world.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      Service: Doing what He has asked you to do, generally found by reading the Holy Book.
      Not until it released Bible 2, explaining why Bible 1 said to do the things it did with a justification other than "Because I'm the mom father, that's why!"

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      In my mind I'd be thinking how retarded god was. So I wouldn't be able to do anything at all, just go to hell. It's really hard being a slave, unless you're born and brainwashed into being one.
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      Even if there was a God. i'd still reject him, if it were the God from Christianity i would reject him because of his sadistic, racist and bigot ways. He's one violent motherfucker and i don't want to have anything to do with him. It just goes to show how immoral God can be (if he existed, which he doesn't).


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      I agree with Lucid Seeker. Even if I had proof of (that) God, I'd never forgive the jack-off. Unless he threatened to throw me in a fiery pit or let demons eat me or whatever it is he does. Even then I'd be lying.

      If it turned out to be just an uninterested "intelligent design" god, there would be no reason to love it, would there?

      Keeper, there can be no understanding other than this--religion and any supernatural explanation is a human weakness, a relic from primitive times, used as a means of controlling the masses that must be gotten rid of if humans are going to progress past the ignorance and "justified" violence, which leads to a huge amount of misery.

      Or else you can just wait to die and go to your happy place.

      Why are you trying to understand atheists?

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      If I had to venture a guess, I'd say he's trying to uncover some kind of emotional motivation the nay sayers have as their reason for "choosing" to not believe in god, because as we all know, everyone knows in their heart that god exists, it's just that some of us choose to reject him.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker View Post
      Even if there was a God. i'd still reject him, if it were the God from Christianity i would reject him because of his sadistic, racist and bigot ways. He's one violent motherfucker and i don't want to have anything to do with him. It just goes to show how immoral God can be (if he existed, which he doesn't).
      But I didn't say which God He was. I asked under what conditions would you worship him. What would He have to be for you to worship Him?

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      I agree with Lucid Seeker. Even if I had proof of (that) God, I'd never forgive the jack-off. Unless he threatened to throw me in a fiery pit or let demons eat me or whatever it is he does. Even then I'd be lying.
      I'm sorry, but that isn't an answer to my question. I'm asking when you would feel obliged to worship God. I haven't mentioned God's nature.

      If it turned out to be just an uninterested "intelligent design" god, there would be no reason to love it, would there?
      Sorry?

      Keeper, there can be no understanding other than this--religion and any supernatural explanation is a human weakness, a relic from primitive times, used as a means of controlling the masses that must be gotten rid of if humans are going to progress past the ignorance and "justified" violence, which leads to a huge amount of misery.
      That is debatable, but if that is what you believe, then I respect that.

      Or else you can just wait to die and go to your happy place.
      Personally, I think death is a bit of a waste of time, but thats just me

      Why are you trying to understand atheists?
      I like to know why people do what they do and think what they think. It's a curiosity I have.

      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      If I had to venture a guess, I'd say he's trying to uncover some kind of emotional motivation the nay sayers have as their reason for "choosing" to not believe in god, because as we all know, everyone knows in their heart that god exists, it's just that some of us choose to reject him.
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      Funny thing is, Mark, many of the Atheists I know use the inversion of that argument on Theists However, that is not why I am doing this.
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      Nothing needs worship. Worshiping is a product of fear and is ofcourse used to control people. You can be amazed or thankfull, but worshiping is something only used in religion. That's my opinion.

      Why don't you tell me, why would you be obliged to worship?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bonsay View Post
      Nothing needs worship. Worshiping is a product of fear and is ofcourse used to control people. You can be amazed or thankfull, but worshipining is something only used in religion. That's my opinion.

      Why don't you tell me, why would you be obliged to worship?
      I would be obliged to worship if that was what I was Created to do. I would do it even more gladly if God cared for me, and showed me His will.

      So, for you, no matter what God's nature or the nature of the Universe, you don't see yourself worshiping?
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      I went to a roman catholic grade school and this is one of those things that makes no sense.

      If god is all powerfull and all knowing, why is he/she so insecure that he/she needs us to worship and serve him/her. (I may just say "it" from now on) If we don't, it will damn us, it's wonderfull creation, to an eternity of suffering beyond description. Why did it give us free will in the first place? Is it some game?

      I believe in a higher power, source, or creator (made in his image = we are creators). You should look in the philosophy section to learn more about our true nature. We could suggest some good books.

      Worship and serve.. we are all doing it, even if you don't know it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      I'm sorry, but that isn't an answer to my question. I'm asking when you would feel obliged to worship God. I haven't mentioned God's nature.

      Sorry to misunderstand the question. I guess the answer is "Never."

      OK, I know we are not supposed to be assuming god's nature here, but I have to assume that the god you are referring to is a creator, not just some supernatural being who wandered into our galaxy and found us here and started demanding worship.

      1) He created us, so he knows our nature, and he knows that some of us won't worship him.

      2) He created a random-being generator, and in that case should expect some of them not to worship him, so what's the problem?

      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      I would be obliged to worship if that was what I was Created to do. I would do it even more gladly if God cared for me, and showed me His will.
      Your answer makes no sense.
      The first part: "I am what I am". Yes, obviously, a tautology, true by definition, not a real explanation.
      The second part: You suppose that you have some choice in the matter, contradicting the first part.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      So, for you, no matter what God's nature or the nature of the Universe, you don't see yourself worshiping?
      No not really. I don't see myself ever being obliged to worship. I'd rather be "his" friend
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      Quote Originally Posted by Moonbeam View Post
      Sorry to misunderstand the question. I guess the answer is "Never."
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      OK, I know we are not supposed to be assuming god's nature here, but I have to assume that the god you are referring to is a creator, not just some supernatural being who wandered into our galaxy and found us here and started demanding worship.

      1) He created us, so he knows our nature, and he knows that some of us won't worship him.

      2) He created a random-being generator, and in that case should expect some of them not to worship him, so what's the problem?
      A fair assumption.

      Your answer makes no sense.
      The first part: "I am what I am". Yes, obviously, a tautology, true by definition, not a real explanation.
      The second part: You suppose that you have some choice in the matter, contradicting the first part.
      I'm sorry? I don't quite understand what you mean ...

      Quote Originally Posted by Bonsay View Post
      No not really. I don't see myself ever being obliged to worship. I'd rather be "his" friend
      Good one
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      Well you said you worship because that is why you exist. It would make me very depressed to think my God made me just to worship him... it's rather vain isn't it?

      I suppose if the creator of the Universe came to me, which by definition makes him my "god", though i'd rather say "creator" i wouldn't bow down and worship, as i doubt that's what he'd want of his creations. I'd talk with him and learn from him, befriend him if it's possible. But bowing down and worshiping, i wouldn't and unless the mighty creator has the mind of an arrogant human, he wouldn't desire worship at all, just watching our existence would be enough.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cuddleyperson View Post
      Well you said you worship because that is why you exist. It would make me very depressed to think my God made me just to worship him... it's rather vain isn't it?

      I suppose if the creator of the Universe came to me, which by definition makes him my "god", though i'd rather say "creator" i wouldn't bow down and worship, as i doubt that's what he'd want of his creations. I'd talk with him and learn from him, befriend him if it's possible. But bowing down and worshiping, i wouldn't and unless the mighty creator has the mind of an arrogant human, he wouldn't desire worship at all, just watching our existence would be enough.
      I agree. 100%

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      Quote Originally Posted by cuddleyperson View Post
      Well you said you worship because that is why you exist. It would make me very depressed to think my God made me just to worship him... it's rather vain isn't it?

      I suppose if the creator of the Universe came to me, which by definition makes him my "god", though i'd rather say "creator" i wouldn't bow down and worship, as i doubt that's what he'd want of his creations. I'd talk with him and learn from him, befriend him if it's possible. But bowing down and worshiping, i wouldn't and unless the mighty creator has the mind of an arrogant human, he wouldn't desire worship at all, just watching our existence would be enough.
      That, I think, is a very interesting point.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      Its been awhile ...

      This is just a hypothetical question for the Atheists in the Forum: "If - hypothetically speaking - you found out for a fact that God really does exist, under what circumstances would you feel obligated to Worship Him?"

      For the life of me I can't remember seeing this asked here, but I think it is a very relevant question for helping both sides to understand the other.
      I wouldn't worship him, though I would acknowledge his existence.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      Not until it released Bible 2, explaining why Bible 1 said to do the things it did with a justification other than "Because I'm the mom father, that's why!"
      Already happened.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      Already happened.

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