Random Processes (ie. radioactivity) and the Creationist Theory

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12-22-2007, 03:11 PM
Idolfan

Random Processes (ie. radioactivity) and the Creationist Theory

This is a bit hard for me to explain but I'll try my best. This DOES tie in with relegion just bear with me. I'm actually an atheist but I've been giving this some thought. There's a but of physics here too, I hope people can understand. If I've made a terrible error please tell me, I'm only 15 and I want to perfect my way of thinking philosophically/religiously. I don't actually beleive this, it's just a theory and if you can beleive in it then the big bang theory, the theory evolution and the "god" theory can co-exist peacefully, which is the most important thing.

There are some things in the universe that we currently have no known explanation for. For example, we think that all protons, electrons e.t.c are identical but as far as we can tell radioactivity is a "random process". Now, let's assume that these are completely random, that would mean that for every possibility there would be a parallell universe e.t.c. OR you could say that god controls these processes manually.

Surprisingly, this ties in very closely with the theory of creation. We understand that genetic mutations within DNA is often caused by radioactivity (proven), which as we have assumed is a random process. If god did control these then he could directly design us and cause evolution! This way he could still be controlling the evolution of life right under our noses, but there is no "proof" of this. The hand of god doesn't penetrate your mothers womb and mingle with your feotus, but radioactivity is far closer to home than we think because it can alter DNA as it is being copied. On the other hand during this "big bang" or whatever one alpha particle could send a whole galaxy flying off in a number of possible diretions (you never know).

The big bang theory however states that the whole universe was just a clump to begin with. If this were true shouldn't the universe be completely neat and symmetrical? When this "ball" expanded unexplained processes caused one galaxy to fly off in this direction, some planets over here e.t.c. So there are either billions of universes for every possible outcome or there is only one universe for the outcome that is. I do NOT beleive that anything can be completely random, it just doesn't make sense, so it is plausible to think that a higher power could have modelled the universes by carefully timing the occurences of seemingly "random" things?
12-22-2007, 03:19 PM
Xaqaria

Whose to say the universe is not neat and symmetrical? In fact, much of what we can see of it surely is. This doesn't really argue one way or the other, for or against god, but perhaps it puts things into perspective. You can't hope to know if the universe is ordered or chaotic unless you can see the entire thing, which of course is currently very far from possible.
12-22-2007, 03:38 PM
Idolfan

True... Nobody can yet prove that I guess. A lot of assumptions have to be made to take this article into consideration which is the problem, but I don't think that one is the most problematic. The idea of god existing in the first place seems to be the most unlikely one for me; but then again what do we know.
12-22-2007, 04:19 PM
wendylove

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For example, we think that all protons, electrons e.t.c are identical but as far as we can tell radioactivity is a "random process". Now, let's assume that these are completely random, that would mean that for every possibility there would be a parallell universe e.t.c. OR you could say that god controls these processes manually.

Radioactive decay is not a random process. On the atomic level, it is random, however it creates a predictable process. No their not completely random they follow a pattarn. Randomness does not equal many worlds. Physics can explain radioactive decay without god.

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Surprisingly, this ties in very closely with the theory of creation.

Creationism is not a theory, it just that evolution is wrong. Creationist just recycle their material, the same thing they published fifty years ago is the same thing they publish today, which is this evolution is wrong and has holes in it.

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We understand that genetic mutations within DNA is often caused by radioactivity (proven), which as we have assumed is a random process. If god did control these then he could directly design us and cause evolution! This way he could still be controlling the evolution of life right under our noses, but there is no "proof" of this.

Genetic mutation is caused by lots of things. This is stupid, evolution is not just mutations, it is natural selection. Unless, god is controlling us and killing of species like the dinosaur or the dodo bird, then yes god is controlling evolution.

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On the other hand during this "big bang" or whatever one alpha particle could send a whole galaxy flying off in a number of possible diretions (you never know).

Yes we do, if you actually read a book on big bang then your see this has been explained.

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If this were true shouldn't the universe be completely neat and symmetrical? When this "ball" expanded unexplained processes caused one galaxy to fly off in this direction, some planets over here e.t.c. So there are either billions of universes for every possible outcome or there is only one universe for the outcome that is.

No it shouldn't, their something called symmetry breaking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontan...metry_breaking
At high tempertures everything is symmetrical, however when everything cools symmetry breaks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpr...ntum_mechanics

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I do NOT beleive that anything can be completely random, it just doesn't make sense, so it is plausible to think that a higher power could have modelled the universes by carefully timing the occurences of seemingly "random" things?

Again, radioactive decay is not completely random, it forms pattarn and can be predicted. On a more serious note, you should read up on the big bang theory, maybe Hawkings.