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      God Cannot be perfect.

      If god were perfect, then he would not be able to create flawed things. Like everything. If nothing is perfect, then god cannot be perfect, because he created everything! And if he was perfect, then everything he did, everything he created, would be prefect, and flawless. But it is not. So therefore, god cannot be perfect.

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      im guessing you never heard of origional sin, the fallen angels and the devil.


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      The way I see it, if everything was perfect in of itself, everything as a whole would end up being imperfect. If the mouse was perfect, the hawk would never be able to catch it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      If god were perfect, then he would not be able to create flawed things. Like everything. If nothing is perfect, then god cannot be perfect, because he created everything! And if he was perfect, then everything he did, everything he created, would be prefect, and flawless. But it is not. So therefore, god cannot be perfect.
      God has no choice but to use his infinite power to create imperfection because he is bound by certain laws he created and could easily change. He can do anything he wants, but he cannot make a perfect universe even though he can.

      Theists, is that a correct assessment? I know it looks sarcastic, but I strained my brain here for a very long time trying to understand the resolution to that issue, and the assessment I just gave is honestly the best I can do at arguing your side. Absurdity always looks like sarcasm. I will be glad to read your answers to Seismosaur's post.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Riot Maker View Post
      im guessing you never heard of origional sin, the fallen angels and the devil.
      But that would not have happened if god had made them perfect!

      And Original sin makes no sense seeing god is a benevolent, all loving being!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed View Post
      The way I see it, if everything was perfect in of itself, everything as a whole would end up being imperfect. If the mouse was perfect, the hawk would never be able to catch it.
      Could God change that? (Everybody prepare to see that question in response to every theistic answer given in here. You will see my point that infinite power has no limitations and that it is therefore not logical to talk about it as though it has limitations.)
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Could God change that?
      Ah, yes. A different kind of perfect?

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      If something is imperfect, how can it judge whether something else is perfect?

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      Quote Originally Posted by psychology student View Post
      If something is imperfect, how can it judge whether something else is perfect?
      So you're saying god isn't perfect?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      God has no choice but to use his infinite power to create imperfection because he is bound by certain laws he created and could easily change. He can do anything he wants, but he cannot make a perfect universe even though he can.

      Theists, is that a correct assessment? I know it looks sarcastic, but I strained my brain here for a very long time trying to understand the resolution to that issue, and the assessment I just gave is honestly the best I can do at arguing your side. Absurdity always looks like sarcasm. I will be glad to read your answers to Seismosaur's post.
      I can't say that's right. God did not intend to create this universe perfect. Somewhere in the Qur'an, it says that if this Universe were worth a wing's fly to God, he would not allow those who didn't believe in him to drink from the water. This life isn't supposed to be perfect, it's the afterlife in Paradise that's supposed to be.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed View Post
      I can't say that's right. God did not intend to create this universe perfect. Somewhere in the Qur'an, it says that if this Universe were worth a wing's fly to God, he would not allow those who didn't believe in him to drink from the water. This life isn't supposed to be perfect, it's the afterlife in Paradise that's supposed to be.
      Then God is not totally good.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      If god were perfect, then he would not be able to create flawed things. Like everything. If nothing is perfect, then god cannot be perfect, because he created everything! And if he was perfect, then everything he did, everything he created, would be prefect, and flawless. But it is not. So therefore, god cannot be perfect.
      By your logic a Master craftsmen cannot make an imperfect representation of his craft. Just because one can make a high quality item, doesn't mean they have to. Sort of like, 'Just because I can make straight A's in school doesn't mean I have to."

      Not that I'm a theist, just felt I'd point that out.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed View Post
      I can't say that's right. God did not intend to create this universe perfect. Somewhere in the Qur'an, it says that if this Universe were worth a wing's fly to God, he would not allow those who didn't believe in him to drink from the water. This life isn't supposed to be perfect, it's the afterlife in Paradise that's supposed to be.
      But what you forget that, in his perfection, god cannot make something imperfet becasue he is perfect. Making something imperfect makes him imperfect!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      If god were perfect, then he would not be able to create flawed things. Like everything. If nothing is perfect, then god cannot be perfect, because he created everything! And if he was perfect, then everything he did, everything he created, would be prefect, and flawless. But it is not. So therefore, god cannot be perfect.
      That just doesn't make any sense at all.

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      Yeah I think god intentionally created imperfection. It's all part of his plan.

      Do not question the plan.




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      No, Im saying you're not perfect.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
      That just doesn't make any sense at all.
      Yes it does. Being perfect, he cannot be flawed. Making something flawed inheretly makes him imperfect because he made mistakes. Perfection means he doesn't make mistakes, is the perfect example for all.

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      It's not a mistake if he meant to do it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Yes it does. Being perfect, he cannot be flawed. Making something flawed inheretly makes him imperfect because he made mistakes. Perfection means he doesn't make mistakes, is the perfect example for all.
      In the alien mind of a God, I'd reason that what we might view as an imperfection or a mistake makes perfect sense to him. Sort of like a Psychopath's logic. Everything make sense to him, but well..He's just plain fucking crazy the way everyone else see's it!
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      Quote Originally Posted by psychology student View Post
      No, Im saying you're not perfect.
      Of course, we aren't perfect.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed View Post
      It's not a mistake if he meant to do it.
      Why would he create the imperfection that results in suffering if he is both infinitely powerful and totally good? Remember that infinite power involves not being bound by any laws of reality.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Why would he create the imperfection that results in suffering if he is both infinitely powerful and totally good? Remember that infinite power involves not being bound by any laws of reality.
      Good is subjective; what you view as good could be completely different from what 'God' views as good, unless you can claim to understand the 'mindset' of 'God'.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Why would he create the imperfection that results in suffering if he is both infinitely powerful and totally good? Remember that infinite power involves not being bound by any laws of reality.
      Everyone knows suffering is part of his plan. What that plan really is... is pretty much anyone's guess, but the plan is there!

      ... is what a christian's response might be to that question.

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      Perfect...is it even possible?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Daeva View Post
      In the alien mind of a God, I'd reason that what we might view as an imperfection or a mistake makes perfect sense to him. Sort of like a Psychopath's logic. Everything make sense to him, but well..He's just plain fucking crazy the way everyone else see's it!
      That may be true, but god seemed pretty damn human to me in the OT the NT and the Koran.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Why would he create the imperfection that results in suffering if he is both infinitely powerful and totally good? Remember that infinite power involves not being bound by any laws of reality.
      Quote Originally Posted by Daeva View Post
      Good is subjective; what you view as good could be completely different from what 'God' views as good, unless you can claim to understand the 'mindset' of 'God'.
      But he is benevolent to humans! So that means generally nice!

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      Perfect...is it even possible?
      No. That's my whole point.

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