Thread: Atheists do you wish you could beleive in god?

Originally Posted by psychology student

Its not a logical matter though

And this is why religion FAILS!

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

The question stands...

Because one is the way to salvation.

Your digging for a logical scientific answer when there isn't one, because religion is subjective and spiritual, so you cannot revieve a scientific answer. People don't approach religion with logic in mind. "Oh that one says that I will get two bags of Gold in Heaven, instead of one; I know which one I'm gonna choose". No, it doesn' work like this.

Originally Posted by psychology student

People don't approach religion with logic in mind.

Ain't it the truth?

People don't approach religion with logic in mind.

Psychology student this reminds me of a quote.

"Make sure your answer uses Scripture, not logic."

I just wanted to include this quote. I hope you like it.

Yeah, they are seperate to an extent.

I'd like to take this oportunity to proclaim the divine revelation that was just bestowed upon me. Our creator, the Great Orange Orange, appeared in the refrigerator and told me the Evil Bananas from beyond Jupiter are planing to suck our souls, our only possible salvation is through prayer.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

I'd like to take this oportunity to proclaim the divine revelation that was just bestowed upon me. Our creator, the Great Orange Orange, appeared in the refrigerator and told me the Evil Bananas from beyond Jupiter are planing to suck our souls, our only possible salvation is through prayer.

Gee, you already made that point. What are we? Blind.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Because one is the way to salvation.

Your digging for a logical scientific answer when there isn't one, because religion is subjective and spiritual, so you cannot revieve a scientific answer. People don't approach religion with logic in mind. "Oh that one says that I will get two bags of Gold in Heaven, instead of one; I know which one I'm gonna choose". No, it doesn' work like this.

In your opinion one is the road to salvation. that is not neccearily true. In reality neither is more true then the other, its just a matter of personal opinion and you have yours but that does not make it true.

Originally Posted by psychology student

What are we? Blind.

Well...

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

In your opinion one is the road to salvation. that is not neccearily true. In reality neither is more true then the other, its just a matter of personal opinion and you have yours but that does not make it true.

But thats why I said the answer is "subjective" and religion is "personal".

Funny pictures about jesus are always fun!

Spoiler for Don't open if you get offended easily, espicially if you are a christian:

Originally Posted by psychology student

But thats why I said the answer is "subjective" and religion is "personal".

Explain to me what part about "god exists" is subjective and personal.

Originally Posted by Riot Maker

Funny pictures about jesus are always fun!

Spoiler for Don't open if you get offended easily, espicially if you are a christian:

LULZ!

A God, a higher being, the promise of new, improved life after death is very comforting to most living beings, yes. That's why religion is still here.

It's appealing, but also restraining. Smart combo for controlling the masses.

I'd rather live by my own 'religion,' and believe in my own rules for the universe. The comforts and benefits are far greater.

The difference is, Science can be proven and repeated to get the same results. Can anyone prove the existence of God?

there is no prove that jesus is god, jesus was real he was a person for sure but i believe he just tricked people and the bible can be easliy "edited". i go to a christian school and am hanging on a thread to wether the whole thing is true or just BS. i dont tell anyone cuz i think the whole school would be like "YOU SAY WHAAA?" jesus is a fruad hes fake. there i just did it i've completly "fallen away" from god. sweet! im an atheist now.

I would rather just know the facts. I dont really give a shit about believing or not believing. I care about knowing.

Originally Posted by aceboy

there is no prove that jesus is god, jesus was real he was a person for sure but i believe he just tricked people and the bible can be easliy "edited". i go to a christian school and am hanging on a thread to wether the whole thing is true or just BS. i dont tell anyone cuz i think the whole school would be like "YOU SAY WHAAA?" jesus is a fruad hes fake. there i just did it i've completly "fallen away" from god. sweet! im an atheist now.

Apart from the bible, it seems historic accounts of jesus are quite limited.

And here's another lol jesus:

Yeah it's interesting how such an amazing person would have nothing written about him by any historian, scholar or person during the time of his supposed life. It's interesting that the Romans who supposedly had him publicy tortured and executed had no records of this man born of a virgin. You would think this incredible person, born of a virgin, son of god, performer of miracles who rises from the dead would be a pretty well known guy. What? He's really only described in the bible? What? The bible and any other vague and disputable references to Jesus all took place well after his supposed life? Isn't that called hearsay? Never mind that the entirety of the christian religion is based on a book of altered bits of hearsay that was largely ripped off of pre-existing pagan ideals and myths that pre-date Jesus's supposed existance. Proof? Logic? Reason? BAH! These things are for fools! The bible is the word of god because it says it is. Circular logic is the ONLY logic, if any, that should be applied to religion.

[QUOTE=Dewitback;692992]Now, from a christian view point, God knows better than us and only tells us to do things because he loves us. He didn't create sin, and he doesn't want anyone to go to hell, nor does he send anyone to hell. I think people underestimate the power of satan. Satan and God are at war here, God is going to loose some, and Satan is going to win some. anyways, He wants to get us away from satan, and by doing these rules and commandments, he keeps us safe from Satan.[\QUOTE]



Really? Every Christian view point I've ever heard has at least agreed that God is omnipotent, and omniscient and created everything. So please tell me, if those things are true then:
1) If God wants to protect us from Satan, why did he create Satan in the first place.
2) If God created everything than how is it possible that he didn't create sin?
3) If God is omnipotent how can Satan "win some"?
4) The bible states that it's God's judgment that sends people to hell, is the bible wrong?

or
5) is God not omnipotent, omniscient and the creator of everything? but if that is true then what makes him God?

Originally Posted by psychology student

Because one is the way to salvation.

All religions promise salvation in one way or another. You'd choose a religion based on the final promise than on the morals, beliefs, and practices? That's pathetic.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Your digging for a logical scientific answer when there isn't one, because religion is subjective and spiritual, so you cannot revieve a scientific answer. People don't approach religion with logic in mind. "Oh that one says that I will get two bags of Gold in Heaven, instead of one; I know which one I'm gonna choose". No, it doesn' work like this.

Hey! You contradicted yourself at the end about the last quote. Nicely done!

Anyways, that is the reason that religions fail is because there is no logic. Even if you exclude the concepts of Jesus, the magic doings of him and Moses, the people that were spoken to by God, etc. they still are extremely nonsensical because of the concept of many core beliefs such as Hell, an omniscient, omnipotent, or all-forgiving God, etc.

To me, because of the nature of spirituality, belief in a God is nearly as logical as not believing in it, but when you start adding all these things such as defining the nature of the God, giving him personalities and purposes, miracles, etc. Then it becomes nothing more than a fairy tale that the majority has become enticed by to the extent of a massive belief in it. Like those kids that played Dungeons and Dragons so much that they though that crap was real.


Somebody check the IP of the two posters above me.

Originally Posted by Dewitback

God knows better than us and only tells us to do things because he loves us. He didn't create sin, and he doesn't want anyone to go to hell, nor does he send anyone to hell. I think people underestimate the power of satan. Satan and God are at war here, God is going to loose some, and Satan is going to win some. anyways, He wants to get us away from satan, and by doing these rules and commandments, he keeps us safe from Satan.

So God isn't omnipotent. OK.

In response to the quote that Carou just quoted and that I can't find:

If God created everything, then he created sin. If he is the one that created the universe and its laws, then he created the possibility of sin, which means that he created it. We only would have helped it come into full swing.

For the rest, Carou sums it up.

One thing I've found with people who believe in God is, they all believe god is all-knowing. If he's all knowing, then that implies that the future is already pre-determined (hence why he knows what will happen), which means I'm not in control of my actions, nor is anyone else, which means no one should be punished for sinning, since its beyond our control thanks to how HE designed the universe.

On the other hand, if the future isn't pre-determined, then all god seems to know, is PROBABLE outcomes, and in which case, he's no more all-knowing than I am. I can look at 2 situations, and know which one will have a more favorable outcome, but won't know for sure which one will be taken.

So the fact of God Being all knowing, contradicts people being punished for sinning since its beyond their control.