The answer is simple. |
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I know a bunch of you are going to jump on me immediatly and start telling me a billion scientific reasons why what I'm about to say is complete bololgna but listen and THINK before you respond. Use that brain. |
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The answer is simple. |
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Exobyte pretty much nailed it. The only reason these rules seem "perfect" is because we don't have anything to compare them to. Why? Because these "rules" (patterns) exist, and being within those rules is the only frame of reference that we have. |
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did we really have a cause for exsisting though? What made us exsist, quarks and anti quarks and a little bit of matter? What if the universe was never created? |
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What was the Big Bang, anyway? |
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Cause is a subjective principle. If I saw the cause and purpose of the entire universe is for the moon to orbit the earth 9x10^99 times; then that is as much purpose as anything else. We don't have a cause for existing in the objective sense you mean. As a race we are the result of various reactions essentially. If the universe we know was never created we wouldn't be there to observe it. So in a sense; we HAVE to exist in this one. |
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Remember the part where I told those who would reply to think? Your answer to my question has a flaw. You seem to think, or at least thats what your answer gave to me, that no matter the universe we ended up with it would be functional. To use your marble analogy, who says we would end up with a whole marble? One that functions and is capable of producing planets and recycling energy? You say that if we ended up in a difrent universe we would be asking the same question but who says we would have an orderly (somewhat) functioning universe? To have a universe created by an explosion seems far fetched to me but to have a FUNCTIONING universe where things can evolve and grow seems WAY to farfetched. Besides, I wasn't commenting on the chances of our universe alone, I was commenting on complexity. All of the complex and FUNCTIONAL laws that our universe seems to me to be the hand of a creator. Couldn't we have just as easily unded up in a universe with no laws to govern it? Isn't it a little too complex? |
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There is really very little in the universe that is "delicate," and that which is is usually very short-lived. |
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It doesn't have any flaw, you're simply looking for any flaw you can and failing at that. The whole point of the marble analogy is that you're going to get a marble. I said nothing of whether it could be a whole marble, or half of one, a beat up and chipped one, one with distinctive patterns or no pattern at all. All these represent different states the universe may possibly exist in, with one set of laws or another, in a chaotic state or a stable state. But the whole point of existence is that it is complex. |
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Isn't saying "a universe with no laws" the same as saying "the universe which doesn't exist". How do you expect the fabric of space-time to hold together with no laws, or how do you expect it to exist. |
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If the universe was built differently in any way we probably wouldn't be here to see that. |
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I would like to apologize to you exo-byte. I was incredibly rude and I would like to say that I'm sorry for insulting you and twisting your words and that last night when I wrote that and this morning when I responded I was truly not being a servant of god. Thank you, Exo and the rest, for taking the time to answer my question and explain things to me. I now see your point of view and you have definatly shown me how complexity of the universe possibly might not be an implication of god. I would once agian like to apologize and express my thanks for helping me to expand my view of life, the universe, and everything and hope that your experience with me hasn't soiled your mental picture of all christians. |
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The universe isn't fined tuned for us, we're fined tuned for the universe. But its not a product of God, we do it through adaptation. You can eliminate some laws, such as that of Gravity and that doesn't destroy the possibility for life. It just means life needs a way to compensate and will adapt to its environment as such. |
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Here's one article. There was another one I was thinking of that talks more broadly about the theories that many of these types of planets exist, but I can't find it. If I do, I'll post it up here. |
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You can't think of anyway because this is the only state we've ever known. But life almost always tries to find a way to adapt. |
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How could life adapt to no gravity? How would plants that we need to survive grow? |
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Carosoul: We don't need plants, we need oxygen and nutrients |
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