The big bang cannot be

[Dewitback]

Can anyone explain to me how something came from absolutely nothing? You know, I could belive in evolution. To a certain degree part of me believes that God could have used evolution to create the world. Why not? BUT, there is one thing. the big bang The big bang makes absolutely no sense to me. Unless it was caused by God. I mean, how can absolute timeless nothingness all of the sudden create time, color, sound, and everything else that makes up the rules and abstracts of the universe? This is one of the only things that makes me decline the belief that there is no God. something could not come from nothing, unless God had something to do with it. can someone explain to me how they believe in the big bang?

[Adrenaline Junkie]

If you don't believe that something can come from nothing, where does God come from? Sorry, but you contradicted yourself a bit there.

[Timothy Paradox]

It's not because something is difficult to comprehend that it's impossible... I don't need Ghosts to explain difficult concepts.

[Dewitback]

If you don't believe that something can come from nothing, where does God come from? Sorry, but you contradicted yourself a bit there. True, but God is not material. God is nothing, and everything. I admit I did contradict myself abit, but i say God and big bang are very different

[Timothy Paradox]

'God is nothing, and everything' - is this based on evidence or observations? well, the Big bang IS.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

How do you know what god is? You say God is nothing and everything, but there is no way of knowing.

[Dewitback]

How can atheist criticize Christians for believing in a God, when their own explanation for the big bang is that is just "IS"? The people in this forum have put up tons of answers an explantions to atheist's questions about God, and refuse to take "mysterious ways" and "it just is" as an answer. Well, how about your own belief in this? It just is? If you can believe in that, then you can believe in God with a simple answer that God just is.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

I won't pretend that i know too much about the big bang, although what i do know is that it is simple, whereas a god would have to be very complex. When you have something complex, you have to explain where they came from because at the end of the day, complex things don't just pop into existence. I wouldn't say that anything just IS, although starting off with something simple makes more sense than starting off with something complex.

[Bonsay]

"Outside" is nothing from our point of view. Perhaps there is a 124123 ultra-sonic dimension thingie uncomprehendable for us humans or anything else from this universe. The same way a 2D being can't comprehend a 3D world. The only difference is that we don't know what is outside.

[Dewitback]

I won't pretend that i know too much about the big bang, although what i do know is that it is simple, whereas a god would have to be very complex. When you have something complex, you have to explain where they came from because at the end of the day, complex things don't just pop into existence. I wouldn't say that anything just IS, although starting off with something simple makes more sense than starting off with something complex. i don't really understand you reply. Are you saying that just because starting with something simple makes more sense, then you should believe it? Who's to say that God didn't start with something simple?

[Dewitback]

"Outside" is nothing from our point of view. Perhaps there is a 124123 ultra-sonic dimension thingie uncomprehendable for us humans or anything else from this universe. The same way a 2D being can't comprehend a 3D world. The only difference is that we don't know what is outside. Atheists contradict themselves. How come people who believe in God can just tell you that God is outside our view point? I mean, God could be 4d, and we cant see him, and thats how he travels and knows everything, and heals people etc, and we could never comprehend it. But you guys always state that you can't believe in God because there is no proof for him.

[Riot Maker]

If you don't believe that something can come from nothing, where does God come from? Sorry, but you contradicted yourself a bit there. If God made time one would have to conclude that God dwelled outside of time before time begun. An object outside of time has no cause, If God lived outside of time he would have no cause to be created but he will just simply exsist.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

I am saying that something simple makes more sense because for example in our everyday lives you won't see complex things such as animal or an aeroplane just accidentally forming themselves whereas you can see plenty of simple things happening. To get something complex it needs to be gradually built up from something simple. Its just common sense. Sure, if there was a god, it could have started off simple, but seeing as there is no evidence for one, why not just cut it out and take the other simple explanation that has evidence to back it up.

[Marvo]

Dewitback, we will probably never know what caused the Big Bang, or what was before. We can only theorize. You should remember though, that much evidence points to the happening of a giant explosion - a Big Bang - many many years ago.

[skysaw]

The Big Bang is not just a random idea someone came up with and decided to promote. It came from observations about our universe that pointed to the conclusion. Since the inception of the theory, further observation continued to support the theory, which is why it is still a viable theory. In the case of God, there is a single text source by unknown authors, and no testable hypothesis. Whether you believe in the scientific method or not, this is the crux of the difference. I'm assuming that you don't really want to know the details of how the Big Bang theory works, but just in case I'm wrong, here is a very short description of how it was discovered. The observable light from distant galaxies are shown to be shifted towards the red spectrum. This is known as the "Doppler Effect," and suggests the galaxies are all moving away from us and each other at extremely high speeds. When extrapolating backwards from current velocities and positions, it appeared that at some point in time billions of years ago, all of this mass came from a single point in space. This is the crux of the discovery, but of course there is much more to it than this. There is plenty of literature on the subject, and I highly recommend Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" if you'd like to delve into it further. It is a difficult concept to grasp at first, but his writing is very easy to follow.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

If God made time one would have to conclude that God dwelled outside of time before time begun. An object outside of time has no cause, If God lived outside of time he would have no cause to be created but he will just simply exsist. Isn't it funny how the more things that are discovered, the religious keep moving god to somewhere that science doesn't know how to look at yet. For example; people used to think god was up in the sky, but when we went up and had a look *surprise surprise* nothing there. Sure, there could be something outside of time, but why assume that there would be a god there? I can't wait to find out where god will move to if scientists discover a way to look at things outside of time.

[Universal Mind]

How can atheist criticize Christians for believing in a God, when their own explanation for the big bang is that is just "IS"? The people in this forum have put up tons of answers an explantions to atheist's questions about God, and refuse to take "mysterious ways" and "it just is" as an answer. Well, how about your own belief in this? It just is? If you can believe in that, then you can believe in God with a simple answer that God just is. Our universe might not be eternal, but existence itself is eternal. Our universe is most likely part of a mulitiverse that is eternal, but if not, it is still not the only thing that exists. Existence never came from nothing. There was never nothing.

[Riot Maker]

I am saying that something simple makes more sense because for example in our everyday lives you won't see complex things such as animal or an aeroplane just accidentally forming themselves whereas you can see plenty of simple things happening. To get something complex it needs to be gradually built up from something simple. Its just common sense. Sure, if there was a god, it could have started off simple, but seeing as there is no evidence for one, why not just cut it out and take the other simple explanation that has evidence to back it up. Ok, i see where you comming from. Im going to try and use the good ol' life is to complex argument. Im just going to potst a couple quotes of scientist who are either atheist or christian or deist. Gene Myers, a scientist employed on the Human Genome Project: "What really astounds me is the architecture of life… The system is extremely complex. It's like it was designed… There's a huge intelligence there." The guy that said this was a atheist for 66 years of his life defending for it, then became a deist at the age of 81. His name is antony flew and hes is a major influecne in the scientifc community publishing 54 papers. Him going from atheis to deist is so far the hardest blow atheist ever had to face because he was/is so well respected in his field. "Biologists' investigation of DNA has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce [life], that intelligence must have been involved." "It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism." "I have been persuaded that it is simply out of the question that the first living matter evolved out of dead matter and then developed into an extraordinarily complicated creature." Francis Crick, for instance, one of the scientists who revealed the helix shape of DNA admitted in the face of the findings regarding DNA that the origin of life indicated a miracle: "An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going." The most striking fact about DNA is that the existence of the coded genetic information can definitely not be explained in terms of matter and energy or natural laws. Dr. Werner Gitt, a professor at the German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology, has said this on the subject: "A code system is always the result of a mental process… It should be emphasized that matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, is required… There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this." You would be surprised of how much scientific evidence for intelligent design is out there.

[skysaw]

...almost a miracle ...indicated a miracle Interesting translation there.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

You said I would be suprised how much evidence there is for intelligent design. could you show me where I could find some of this evidence because all you seem to have done is given me some quotes from people. Sure DNA is complex but if there was a god who created it wouldnt he/she have to be more complex? It seems to me that an explanation without a god would make more sense because if there was a god then wouldnt its existance be more improbable than DNA coming in to existance on its own.

[Dewitback]

You said I would be suprised how much evidence there is for intelligent design. could you show me where I could find some of this evidence because all you seem to have done is given me some quotes from people. Sure DNA is complex but if there was a god who created it wouldnt he/she have to be more complex? It seems to me that an explanation without a god would make more sense because if there was a god then wouldnt its existance be more improbable than DNA coming in to existance on its own. Why does God have to be improbable?

[skysaw]

Why does God have to be improbable? He doesn't. He just turned out that way.

[Timothy Paradox]

Isn't this amusing/sad. Once again, a human, unable to understand how certain things are possible, needs a God as its creator. I say we're just too dumb to understand how life is really created. It's JUST like in the stone age. Those barbarians didn't have a clue what lightning was. "Surely this is a sign of the Gods!!!" Now we all know the truth. everytime something pops up that we don't understand, God did it. Sad. I say religion is an unfortunate side-effect of human intelligence.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Why does God have to be improbable? He doesn't have to be improbable, thats if you don't want him to be, but by doing that you are taking a leap of faith which has no relevant or even good evidence to support that he is remotely probable. But when you compare that to hard evidence that makes him improbable, i think it only takes logic to work out which is the better choice. Thats enough for one night, i am too tired to answer more because this debate could go on forever. I offer an explanation, but it is obvious that you are not willing to listen and look at the evidence that is provided. You may think you think logically, but at the end of the day, i don't think you have though things through when you made this thread.

[Ynot]

what's evolution got to do with the big bang? or have I missed some celestial connection?...