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      Freedom etc

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html

      >Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

      >WESTON, Wis. Ś An 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.

      >The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't have enough faith," the police chief said.

      >They believed the key to healing "was it was better to keep praying. Call more people to help pray," he said.

      >The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.





      So do we still think even in examples like this, we should respect peoples beliefs and allow them to do as they wish, or should something have been forcefully done to save the life of the girl?

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      I vomit in these parents' general direction. Jesus would have whisked the girl to the hospital.
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      That's not faith, you're pretty much mocking God by doing that.

      "Oh, I'm so helpless and incompetent God, help me." Here's a news flash: You can do shit for yourself!

      I don't understand how people can think like this. My set of beliefs require you to tie up the camel, then pray to God that it won't run away, so to speak. Do what you can, then trust God.

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      Is there any sort of reason for them to deny medical treatment?

      This isn't even like the Gandhi bit where he denies his family of chicken broth. At least that has a moral belief associated with negligence.

      Wow, that is pathetic. Stupid fucks. They think that she can still be revived?

      I'm baffled.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed View Post
      That's not faith, you're pretty much mocking God by doing that.

      "Oh, I'm so helpless and incompetent God, help me." Here's a news flash: You can do shit for yourself!

      I don't understand how people can think like this. My set of beliefs require you to tie up the camel, then pray to God that it won't run away, so to speak. Do what you can, then trust God.
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      They need to be gone to jail for murder. God doesn't do anything, prayers don't get answered, it's just gonna happen or not gonna happen. If you take a look around the world with good things happening to people they have wanted and not prayed it's pretty much proof prayers don't work.
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      Joe Pesci would have gotten it done.

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      If you do believe in God, then why would you wait for a miracle? I'm not a Christian, but even I know that Jesus never waited for a miracle, as doing so would disprove faith. It's not like if you pray the first time God doesn't hear you so if you pray 20 more times he might hear you then... or maybe he has a list to do and he's just booked.
      "So yeah... God... I know I talked to you about this 20 times before... but I just wanted to let you know (after all it's not like you're omnipotent or anything) that my daughter is really dying... no it's not a joke. So you know if you're not busy today... maybe you could fit it into your schedule?"
      God's probably up there saying "fool... that's a treatable form of diabetes! You have a car so go to the doctor! I should smite you right now!"
      Ha sorry I got a little off topic there. And yes, they should go to jail - not for murder, but for stupidity.
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      Spread the good news about atheism. It is perfectly okay with us if you call an ambulance.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Spread the good news about atheism. It is perfectly okay with us if you call an ambulance.
      yeah...but atheism isnt the only one thats ok for. ones that it is not ok with are in the minority

      everything that has needed to be said about them has been said, if they were really christian, they would try all they can themselves.
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      Having children when you're that stupid is child abuse.

      This is an excellent example of the harm religion can do.

      It's not even as if anything was learned; "We didn't have enough faith". No you fucking morons, that's not the problem.

      Send them to jail for manslaughter/negligence I say.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Photolysis View Post
      "We didn't have enough faith". No you fucking morons, that's not the problem.
      Actually, I think the problem is they had too much faith. WAY too much faith.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Truth Paradox View Post
      And yes, they should go to jail - not for murder, but for stupidity.
      There are not enough jail spaces or tax dollars to punish stupidity.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tkdyo View Post
      if they were really christian, they would try all they can themselves.
      But if they honestly thought that a magic man in the sky who loves them existed, why would they think he wouldn't help their daughter? Unless it was part of his plan, in which case he wasn't going to help her anyway, prayer or no.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tkdyo View Post
      yeah...but atheism isnt the only one thats ok for. ones that it is not ok with are in the minority
      Yes, faith is a spectrum of stupidity, from believing in god to actually believing that god will do something for you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Moonbeam View Post
      Yes, faith is a spectrum of stupidity, from believing in god to actually believing that god will do something for you.
      Not stupidity. You can be religious, yet brilliant.

      I think that it's a measure of the mind's distortion to illusion.

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      People who are smart in some ways can be stupid in others. True what you say tho, they're probably better at deluding themselves too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Car˘usoul View Post
      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html

      >Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

      >WESTON, Wis. Ś An 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.

      >The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't have enough faith," the police chief said.

      >They believed the key to healing "was it was better to keep praying. Call more people to help pray," he said.

      >The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.





      So do we still think even in examples like this, we should respect peoples beliefs and allow them to do as they wish, or should something have been forcefully done to save the life of the girl?
      Hehe, God sent the medical help.

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      Quote Originally Posted by StephenT View Post
      There are not enough jail spaces or tax dollars to punish stupidity.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dreamworld View Post
      Hehe, God sent the medical help.
      God sent medical help?

      1. No medical help was sent, police were:
      Officers went to the home
      2. They weren't sent by god, but by a relative:
      after one of the girl's relatives in California called police to check on her, Vergin said.
      3. She died anyway:
      She was taken to a hospital where she was pronounced dead.
      To actually believe what you said in light of this is insanity. Why would god bother to send "medical help" to a girl too late? If god cared about her health he would have done well to simply inform the parents of their egregious mistake and have them take her to receive treatment before her condition even became critical. Surely god of all things would have seen this coming.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      God sent medical help?

      1. No medical help was sent, police were:


      2. They weren't sent by god, but by a relative:


      3. She died anyway:


      To actually believe what you said in light of this is insanity. Why would god bother to send "medical help" to a girl too late? If god cared about her health he would have done well to simply inform the parents of their egregious mistake and have them take her to receive treatment before her condition even became critical. Surely god of all things would have seen this coming.
      Even though what I said was a joke, I meant that God gave the opportunity for her to be saved, while the parents were being ignorant. I was referring to the story of the kid who's town was flooded. He was on top of his house, and firemen came to his aid. They told him to get in the truck, the child responded " God will save me!" He did this three times to different aids. He drowns and goes to heaven, the kid asked why God didn't save him. God responded, "Hohoho! I sent you the firemen, the police, and the ambulance!"

      I was referring to the joke, I side on you with the fact that the parents were being arrogant. Obviously God didn't send them with his hand, but I was referring to the saying. Its moral is that God has gave you a life where medical attention, safety, and help is given, and also that God gives opportunities, he doesn't just hand them to you. The opportunity was in the parents hands. I'm not preaching by the way, just telling you the story.

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      Yeah, it's nice to have choices except when it's not.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dreamworld View Post
      Even though what I said was a joke, I meant that God gave the opportunity for her to be saved, while the parents were being ignorant. I was referring to the story of the kid who's town was flooded. He was on top of his house, and firemen came to his aid. They told him to get in the truck, the child responded " God will save me!" He did this three times to different aids. He drowns and goes to heaven, the kid asked why God didn't save him. God responded, "Hohoho! I sent you the firemen, the police, and the ambulance!"

      I was referring to the joke, I side on you with the fact that the parents were being arrogant. Obviously God didn't send them with his hand, but I was referring to the saying. Its moral is that God has gave you a life where medical attention, safety, and help is given, and also that God gives opportunities, he doesn't just hand them to you. The opportunity was in the parents hands. I'm not preaching by the way, just telling you the story.
      So God's Jabba the Hutt now?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      Yeah, it's nice to have choices except when it's not.
      Yea, its sad things like this happen. It should be a law that children should get medical attention even if their parents refuse. I know my moms friend who got a miscarriage because she refused to have it in a hospital. (Jenova Witness)

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