Thread: Lucid Dreaming Disproves God ?

It may in a way disprove Christianity, though I am sure Christians will argue that. But Christianity isn't the only religion. There were plenty of religions before Christianity. There is no way yet to prove God exists, as far as I know, though no way to disprove his existence either. A lot of people believe in God, though not the way any bible or anything describes.

Also, those who truly believe will never change their mind no matter how much evidence you give them.

Very good point.

I don't know how these adamant followers could believe in an all-loving Being that would send His creations to an eternal burning doom. Sounds very suspicious to me.

Have a obe go to the dimension above the astral. That's enough evidence for the evidence of god existence.

Before we all have a heated argument, why don't we all give our defintion of God.

Dreamworld: Good idea.

However, I would like to ask if the ability to swim disporves drowing?

Oh, and OP: where did you get this "thou shalt not be a god" rot from? The Bible makes mention of how we are all gods (small g).

What I mean is that in the Dreamworld, the dreamer can do anything that the Christian God could do, such as create things and force the created minions to worship the dreamer if so inclined. In this sense, the dreamer is God, which is not allowed.

This has a few mistakes in it.

First of all, God never said that imitating Him was wrong. He said that building idols and worshiping them instead was wrong. We are created in his image and are to TRY to be like Him.

Secondly, not nearly as many dreams in the scriptures are "ominous" as are very good messages. Far more of these are promises and good, not bad.

Thirdly, our ability to control our dream doesn't make us anymore god-like than our ability to imagine or create an animated Disney movie with invented characters and events that are impossible in real life.

As of yet, God's existence can neither be proven or disproven.

ya, im not gonna lie, this doesnt make much sense. it does not disapprove of God, just because you can control a dream

Originally Posted by fy_iceworld

no man shalt not imitateth God in any way or form without him being struck down by a bolt of lightning

soo when someone imitates me im going to shoot them with a bolt of lightning

WWGD? shoot them with lightning

Thirdly, our ability to control our dream doesn't make us anymore god-like than our ability to imagine or create an animated Disney movie with invented characters and events that are impossible in real life.

I agree. In our dreams, we do not have the power to ACTUALLY do these things; it is all imagined.

no man shalt not imitateth God in any way or form without him being struck down by a bolt of lightning

That is not exactly true. We are supposed to act like God in that we try not to sin. However, if you did begin to think you had godly powers irl, that would be a problem.

Dreams were ways of god to communicate with people in the old testimate. that was

before jesus had redeamed us. Jesus has already given us the good news. nothing

further is needed to get from our dreams. personally I beleive that now adays even if a

dream was going to be profetic it would be non-lucid. Even in the old testiment not all

dreams were profetic or sent by god and the same might apply today. I mean not all of

our dreams are lucid. And mabey people who are naturally lucid are not ment for profetic

dreams. I dont think it disproves god at all.

First of all I'd like to tell you FY that I think it's really funny that you came up with the word "Imitatith" by taking the normal word imitatie and adding "ith" to it so it sounds like it came from the king james bible.

Second, dreams to me have always PROVED the exsistence of god. The sub-concious mind is the christian "soul" to me. When we are lucid dreaming and creating and destroying in our dreams, we are practiceing what god has given us, which is the power to create. When we die I believe that we will be able to live in a completeley controlable lucid state.

I'm actually trying to get better at Lucid Dreaming so that I can attempt to recieve a message from god. The way he did to joseph and the apocolypse.

This should go in R/S before it turns ugly.

I'm withholding my opinions until it's moved.

*moved to Religion/Spirituality*

Originally Posted by fy_iceworld

While commenting on someone's post, I began to think:

In Christian and Catholic religions, dreams are a passive way for God to communicate His ominous messages to people. However, Lucid Dreaming, being an active form of dreaming, allows the dreamer to control the fate of his dream. Therefore, the dreamer is himself a "god" of his dreamworld. However, this is contradictory to what the Christian religions dictate since no man shalt not imitateth God in any way or form without him being struck down by a bolt of lightning or without him being stoned to death by supple women and children...

In sum: The ability to dream lucidly is evidence that God cannot exist.

Just a thought, anyone care to argue/counterpoint for sake of argument?

God of the real world creates the world just in his mind. He is dreaming and we are the dreamcharacters, we are a part of God, but we are not God.

Likewise, the God of your dreamworld you create in your mind, is you. And the dreamcharacters are a part of yourself, but they are not you.

What Christians believe is that this world has a God and creator. The same way you are the God and creator of your dreamworld. When they say nobody will imitate God, they mean that it's impossible to define God. The only way to define God is through a symbol, like the word "God". some see god as an old man with a long gray beard and a stick to lean on.. other see god as the whole universe with everything in it. most don't even realise everyone has a different description of God, and they will start arguments and ask questions like "Does God exist?"
But how can you ask if "God" exists if you don't even know what God is? How can you argue or even talk about something when you don't even know what it is is?

that's like saying because jesus obviously didn't walk on water, christianity is completely false. Just because a part of something is untrue doesn't mean the whole thing is untrue.

Originally Posted by fy_iceworld

While commenting on someone's post, I began to think:

In Christian and Catholic religions, dreams are a passive way for God to communicate His ominous messages to people. However, Lucid Dreaming, being an active form of dreaming, allows the dreamer to control the fate of his dream. Therefore, the dreamer is himself a "god" of his dreamworld. However, this is contradictory to what the Christian religions dictate since no man shalt not imitateth God in any way or form without him being struck down by a bolt of lightning or without him being stoned to death by supple women and children...

In sum: The ability to dream lucidly is evidence that God cannot exist.

Just a thought, anyone care to argue/counterpoint for sake of argument?

Yeah, I do. I've Lucid Dreamed since 2001, and I have never been struck by lightning, or stoned for that matter.