Believe in the devil?

Most Atheists do! At least that's what my Calculus teacher insists. I just shrugged and let it off though since he seemed to think that an agnostic was someone who didn't believe in deities...

Anyways, I'm hoping that he was being sarcastic...

"Atheists don't believe in God but they believe in the devil, which doesn't make sense since there can't be one without the other."

That's what he said I swear!

Meanwhile I have to question the whole idea of the devil, isn't it a fundamental rule that conscious beings grow and evolve? At the very least they will get bored of perpetual bull shit... So I don't see how a being could be evil, or good, forever.

Oh well, so for any of you out there who believe in an after life, do you believe in someone who for all of eternity has nothing better to do than waste his time torturing people? Doesn't have to be the devil, I guess if you believe in a creator he should be implied in the description as well since it did allow the whole life thing to happen.

Oh no. Do you go to a public school? If you do, please tell the principal that the moron is feeding kids' heads with bullshit and that the government is supposed to stay out of the religion business.

Wow, what a retard. Seriously. Atheists don't believe in the devil. Tell him I, an atheist, said that. Ask him why atheists, who don't believe in god, would believe in the devil? Or better yet just tell on him, what a douche.

Misunderstanding and propoganda.

While explaining Agnosticism to a Christian during school last week, I said, "Theism is belief in deities, while Atheism is..." She completed my sentence saying, "Believing in the Devil." She said it as if she was confident about it.

It's pathetic.

I'm ano Agnostic/Atheist, and I don't believe in the devil or Hell.

Also, do what UM said.

Does he teach using Alabama-Pi? (i.e. pi = 3)

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Originally Posted by StephenT

While explaining Agnosticism to a Christian during school last week, I said, "Theism is belief in deities, while Atheism is..." She completed my sentence saying, "Believing in the Devil." She said it as if she was confident about it.

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:shock: Two people in this thread have run into that? It must be a fairly common misunderstanding.

I think I just figured it out. Fundamentalists are spreading that lie so atheists can be more hated than we already are. It's about political power. What a sick hoax.

Typical, really. We're always so worried about tolerance towards religion. It seems religious has zero tolerance towards non-religion.

Atheists believe in the devil? Where'd that come from? :lol: A simple definition would be atheists don't believe in any sort of deity, good or bad, right?

Anyway, I don't believe in the devil as some being, like with the thorns and all that jazz. I do believe there is a force of evil of some sort, motivation, energy, I don't know, but there is evil, same as there is good. The devil is simply an allegorical representation of that.

Monday I plan to give a semi-lecture to a couple of misinformed kids at my school using several self-essay's I have written and many thoughts from people on this forum.

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Monday I plan to give a semi-lecture to a couple of misinformed kids at my school using several self-essay's I have written and many thoughts from people on this forum.

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Do us proud.

ok Seis but don't run to me when your covered in cuts and bruises and like 20 people have spat on you, ran you out of school and you have to move to another city or refuge with the exiled homosexuals

I'll just say: " Told you so....." ( nah i wouldn't i'd take you in, more i'd probably still say that)

These people asked for it.

Both in the figure of speech and in the literal sense so I doubt they would attack me. I mean seriously if they did then that jsut proves that they have nothing to say or argue and are just venting frustration in light of the total destruction of their view of the universe.

I'll tell them that, too.

My goal isn't necessarily to make them atheist, just educate them on key subjects that they attmepted to argue but have no knowledge of.

- Global warming
- Evolution
- Abiosgenesis
- Big Bang theory
- Judeo-Christian Theology

ok...but don;t say i didn't warn ya.:P

Although when i went to my schools one off( wasn't meant to be but i think i stopped it..) "grill a christian" i tore the Christian youth worker guy to shreds. A small group of 8 people in a classroom turned into around 50 cos everyone wanted to hear me bombard him( and a jury of 5 Christians in my class, some friends, which was fun) with awkward questions, some which i knew the answers were not in the scripture( as in they have been twisted from scripture or just no verses really support it, assuming Christians only follow the NT). Most, bar two friends, said homosexuality could be cured.....:roll:

However this is England, pretty secular country these days, not sure how that would go in an American school. Your president states Atheists are not American citizens, maybe he will add legislation to that effect before he leaves.

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However this is England, pretty secular country these days, not sure how that would go in an American school. Your president states Atheists are not American citizens, maybe he will add legislation to that effect before he leaves.

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Actually it was our presidents father, who used to be the president =P

Meanwhile, America is such a LARGE place that you can't really describe anything as "American." I say this because it really depends on where in the U.S. he is. There are many many tolerant places here, and there are many many intolerant places. But thankfully our law is a secular one, and while people are free to have religion, the law is made to allow us to be free from HAVING religion as well. As long as someone uphold the law, atheists should not be afraid to speak.

:banana:Meanwhile homosexuality can be cured, take one bullet and call me in the mor--er, take one bullet.

i thought Texas was a really strong Christian state?

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i thought Texas was a really strong Christian state?

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Yes, he lives in Texas? heh I didn't know that =P

Meanwhile I used to live in Texas, I am now in school in Florida.

I told people I was atheist in Texas and aside from when I would speak my mind people would cut me off so that I couldn't actually say anything to them I wasn't that brutalized.

There was this one bum, rather large oaf of a man, who threatened me and got in my face quite often, but unfortunately for him I don't dislike pain as much as the rest of his fearful submissive friends, and he never even laid a finger on me. He was an angry fool held back by the law, or the fact that he knows he has no proof of his god's existence.


I tried to explain one time that "Even hitler only tortured his victoms to death" however they often cut me off at "Even hitler" saying "Hitler deserves to go to hell!"

I would then try to say it again, 4 or 5 more times in hopes that they wouldn't cut me off, I suppose they thought I was going to say "Hitler doesn't deserve to go to hell."

I think I clicked some buttons and put sentences together that don't make sense.

Didn't you ever pull "Love thy neighbour" on them?

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Didn't you ever pull "Love thy neighbour" on them?

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No, but I did say judge not lest yee be judged and such.

I guess they didn't care for that.


I can't stand people who don't let you speak in argument.

Agreed they suck! hehe.

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No, but I did say judge not lest yee be judged and such.

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lol funny man Sandform, don;t forget your not religious, in the eyes of Dubja Bush( apparantly his dad, but then again he probably has similiar believes if his dad raised him), you aint no citizen so you aint got no human rights!

and remember what Jesus said:

" Judge not lest yee be judged..... *unless like your judging a non Christian, then by all means kick their fuckin commie arses*"

* This following addition was so totally said by the J man himself... not by any hard core fundy....

=D I want to live in Sweden when I get the chance.

So...people seem to think Athiesm=Satanism.

WTF? They don't even sound alike.

it just means they were told Atheists, like DEVIL WORSHIPPERS, believe in the Devil( i won't say Satanists do believe in the Devil as they say they don't, weird to call yourself Satanists when you don't worship Satan, maybe it was just a rebellion thing.)

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So...people seem to think Athiesm=Satanism.

WTF? They don't even sound alike.

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Hence why those people are commonly referred to as idiots.

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it just means they were told Atheists, like DEVIL WORSHIPPERS, believe in the Devil( i won't say Satanists do believe in the Devil as they say they don't, weird to call yourself Satanists when you don't worship Satan, maybe it was just a rebellion thing.)

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Satin is derived from a Latin word that has something to do with anarchy/chaos/rebellion. So technically your right, it is just a rebellion thing =P.

Though I don't know what it really means. Satin got his name from that word.

Upon further inspection I believe you are talking about the Church of Satan, which is an atheist alignment parody of Christianity. I believe those people are jackasses who only further to alienate atheist people from society.

*Satinist.

Wait, wat?

Well there are different kinds of satanists I suppose. One of them has nothing to do with Satan, one is directly related to satin, and one is an atheist parody of Christianity.

there is some kind of spiritual one i think, into nature and that i think, maybe some kind of split off from those various pagan belief systems.

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there is some kind of spiritual one i think, into nature and that i think, maybe some kind of split off from those various pagan belief systems.

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The spiritual one is...basically the following of the dark spiritual forces in life.

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The spiritual one is...basically the following of the dark spiritual forces in life.

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What the hell do you mean by spiritual forces.

They mean the evil or possibly the negative emotions, thoughts and actions.

At least, that is what they are defining as dark spiritual forces.

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They mean the evil or possibly the negative emotions, thoughts and actions.

At least, that is what they are defining as dark spiritual forces.

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It better be.

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It better be.

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Are you a Satanist?

I was just reading from http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

"openly dedicated to the acceptance of Man’s true nature—that of a carnal beast, living in a cosmos which is permeated and motivated by the Dark Force which we call Satan."

Man's true nature = spiritual force.

I don't know if some people consider it to be magical or not I don't really care I'm not a Satanist so I couldn't fill you in.

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What the hell do you mean by spiritual forces.

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Oh, I was just describing what satanist believe, not what I or cuddley believe.

Satan as an adversary. As our own will, our own sins.
Satin in physical form. I'm not so sure.

I have two books that argue against Satan's existence as most people know it. I can't say I disagree too much.

It gives many references.
If anybody has a particular verse in the Bible that they feel confirms Satan, I could probably find out an alternate theory.
:mwahaha: Hail SATAN!!

Strangulation, mutilation, cancer of the brain
Limb dissection, amputation, from a mind deranged

Asphyxiation, suffocation, gasping for air
Explain to me the feeling after sitting in the chair?

Ripping apart
Severing flesh
Gouging eyes
Tearing limb from limb

Experimentation, slow infection, internal decay
Execution, need transfusion, body rots away

Sliced incision, zero vision, loss of vital signs
Skin contortion, bone erosion, your life becomes your fine

Ripping apart
Severing flesh
Gouging eyes
Tearing limb from limb

Strangulation, mutilation, cancer of the brain
Limb dissection, amputation, from a mind deranged

Asphyxiation, suffocation, gasping for air
Explain to me the feeling after sitting in the chair

Sliced incision, zero vision, loss of vital signs
Skin contortion, bone erosion, your life becomes your fine

Necrophobic can't control the paranoia
Scared to die
Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion's obscure
Religion's a whore