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*moved to correct forum* :roll:
Oh no. It belongs it senseless banter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I knew I was having ban flashbacks for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xox
Psst take back my comment. This was originally in senseless?
No in the lounge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
Ah, well it was better wherever it was original, this does not belong in religion/spirt.
Yeah where else would I post something for such a serious and delicate topic as the FAITH virus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamworld
Faith is also a concept invented by Stevie Perry and extended to the idea of "Faithfully," which is a trick he made up in order to get this girl to stick with him while he was on the road sleeping with other girls.
I knew the injustices of modern religion were all Journey's fault!
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/P...ey-band-03.jpg
You tellin' me that atheism dosn't require any faith? :O
Yes, I am.
So you are 100% sure that there can be nothing out there, and when u die its just the end? Seems to me it would require more faith to not believe than to believe.
Where did I ever say that?
I said the specifcs from which you define, and assert, the existence of an omipotent, omnibenevolent, and omnipresent being cannot happen and simply have no basis.
Wrong before right.
To become right, proof, or evidence of some sort must be attained. Religion in general has had about ten thousand years and what have they? Nothing.
And actual death is an observable phenomenon-- You stop working.
All life processes cease.
well then do u believe that the body has any component that could be considered spiritual which could function independently of a body? As for proof that god exists. i agree there is none, at least that i have found, but then again a major part of religion is faith based
I am 100% positive that no God is a possibility.
I am 100% positive that a God is a possibility.
The point?
You can't find proof for things that do or do not exist within reality.
Without proof there can be no certainty.
QFT and LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperNova
More importantly, it's time for some serious Internets.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
The only body part that can function on its own that I am aware of is your skin or other tissues in a culture.
so do u believe that our lives are pointless and thus life has no meaning?
Yes.
You have a purpose-- procreate.
But at that same rate you are a self-aware creature thus can make your "purpose" what you like.
I suppose if God existed his life would be pointless and have no meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
Why would his life be pointless?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
so in your eyes our only purpose here on earth is to procreate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
That is the point. Why would a human beings life be pointless without God if God's life isn't pointless with another God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
Of course it is.
Why else would we be here other than the product of reproduction?
All life is is animated matter.
what is it that animates us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
Well it would be pointless because if there is nothing that happens after we die then all we do is for nothing. As to God's life it doesn't end so there would be no need for another GodQuote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
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Originally Posted by Sandform
This thread is exactly where it belongs. You have only to look at the flow of conversation to see why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
Actions and reactions between atoms. The exact same forces that drive the rest of the universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
Nothing special. All of the elements of your body can be found in the earth.
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
Life would be pointless if there was in fact a magic fairy castle after death-- Because then what reason have you to live but to die and go there?
so how then are we any different from any other organism in this world?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
see thats the point. our actions in this life are there to decide what happens after we die. Heaven or Hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
Life has no universal meaning so yes, I for one believe that are lives are pointless. I also believe that meaning is something that the individual defines for oneself. His or her driving force comes from one's own desires. No one group can say this or this is the meaning of life, because they'd be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
So what makes u so sure that we'd be wrong in saying that life does have a point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Eagle
Because any universal point in life that one could give, one could break away and stray from for one's own interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
so let's say i have an interest in killing people or raping women, and that contradicted with the universal point of life wouldn't it be a good thing for it to help me stray and break away from my own interests?Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Eagle
1. We aren't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
2. So then what of all the other creatures?
Because it would be subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
There is no universal point of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
The majority says what s and what is not moral (good/bad).
If the majority says killing people and rape is OK then it is.
Could you rephrase that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
So you and i are no different than a mushroom? As to all the other creatures, they don't have souls, which u've already stated don't exist. Our souls are what continues on after our deathQuote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
If its universal its not subjective. 1+1 will always equal 2 it's universal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
i could but what would be the pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Black_Eagle
1. Fungi are a long way off. So no not exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
And how do you know they "have no soul". That makes no sense. If these "souls" did exist-- Then why not all living things have one?
That said, life has no concrete meaning.
2. But there is no universal point is what I had stated before :roll:
What you see as meaningful is not what someone else may see as meaningful.
To prove your point to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
but in your view there is no point so im appeasing you by not rephrasing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Eagle
Wait a second.... didn't I say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
So you're arguing my point? End of discussion thread closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
Ok then lets change fungi to Chimps. As to why other things don't have souls there is no answer to that question that i or any other human could give other than that is the way god made it(which btw sucks as an answer)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
2. what i see as meaningful doesnt have to be what others see as meaningful. If its universal you can still choose not to acknowledge that it exists, but by doing so wouldnt change its universality. Building off my other example, you can choose not to believe that 1+1=2 but that doesnt change that it does now and it always will
You can't prove that humans have souls. What makes us different is our biochemistry and our brain's abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
Actually if we decided to, we could change the system and make 1+1=3 and 1+3=2. But that would be such a hassle.
Oneironaut, please save this board. Why don't you MOD it? Heck if you don't want too, I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
how could we possibly make 1+1=3 thats impossible you cant just say o ive got 1 apple in this barrel and 1 apple in this bucket. when i hold them in my hand ive got 3 applesQuote:
Originally Posted by Black_Eagle
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Originally Posted by Black_Eagle
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Because it would be subjective.
1. Yes, there is no reason to believe that at all. No proof. No evidence. No relevancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
2. Universal is objective.
It means no matter where it is or what the circumstances are.
Nothing is universal at all with life.
I already tried to get them to let me mod it-- They said no one gets to mod it :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamworld
1. How can it not be relevant when it is a prime issue in dealing with religionQuote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
2. Math isnt objective?
1. No relevancy to life. No reason to believe in it. No proof, no nothing. Someone just said that it was true.
2. Er, of course math is objective.
1. Religion, or lack there of, is a large part of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
1. No.
That's not what I mean.
What would be any different in your life if the soul did in fact exist?
Well, nothing. Because according to you, it is non-physical.
2. Yes. Nothing with life. Not in life.
The first speaking aobut biology and its lack of universal properties.
1. Nothing in my life is different because of my soul because i have one so it would be impossible to determine. Electric currents are non-physical, yet they can affect the physicalQuote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
2. And ok then about biology Decay is universal. every thing that lives decays
Actually Seismosaur I did say it first. Look at my first post in this thread. So hah! But I get your point.
I don't think you quite understand. If you call what would be two objects as three objects and what would be three objects as two objects, 1+1=3 and 1+3=2. No cannot make any meaning physical outside a structure of words and letters no matter if you believe it is universal or not.
so words aside, if u had [insert word] objects and u combined them with [insert different word] you would still have the same amount no matter what the words were
I wasn't aware that 6 + 4 = 9 + 3Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
It all depends on what words you give to certain quantities of objects. If I perceive your 3 as my 2 and your 2 as my 3 then my 1+3 would equal your 1+2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
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so reality is based on perception?
No.
Reality is perception.
so if i didnt perceive that the earth was round it wouldn't be?
Correct.
So if nobody perceived that reality is perception, reality would be objective?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
No.
Then it is an objective fact that reality is perception?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
No.
Then what is the nature of reality if nobody ever perceives that reality is all about perception?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
Then the nature of reality is reality.
It always has been.
It always will be.
Then reality is not mere perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
Only if you are omnicient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Sandform, that is an awesome statement, extremely perceptive and thought-provoking. Goodbye PZ Myers sig. (Hope you don't mind if I correct the grammar in the sig though :))Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
No prob with the grammar thing I always neglect to care about my grammar untill someone calls me on it haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Needcatscan
Grr, i'm pulling my hair out here trying to find out where I can find Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (2008) to view for free (legal or otherwise!)
Atheism and this statement don't really mix to well. You should be a bit more specific about "reality".Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
Why don't they mixQuote:
Originally Posted by blade5x
remember atheism itself doesn't deny the spiritual etc.
BUt most atheists happen not to believe it.
Er... Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by blade5x
I can prove this:
Show something to three people, and aske each what they saw, specificallly.
Record and compare.
Huh? You just said that if nobody perceived that perception is the only reality, reality would still be what it is. Therefore, you believe in something that is not perception dependent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
I do.
You lose.
I've seen it and i thought it was really interesting. perhaps looking for a torrent would work not sure though. perhaps this would work http://www.torrentreactor.net/torren...gh-quality-mp4Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
have not tested it though so no guarantees
What if one of the people was colorblind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
Dreams are also perception, but do you consider your dreams, a reality?
Yes, of course!
Anything that exists is in reality.
Colorblindedness only furthers my point.
I found the irrational atheist for pdf...but no expelled =(.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapped
http://reasonablekansans.blogspot.co...-download.html
LOL at that book :D