Thread: At what point do we stop thinking?

Originally Posted by StephenT

At what point is it most efficient to stop thinking, and feel?

I mean, when should we abandon logic and knowledge, and rely on emotions and gut feelings?

Is it when we reach something that we don't know?

If yes, then what do you do when knowledge is found? If it contradict what you felt, it is hard to abandon that belief which you have entrusted to be true, although it is false.

Then, should we ever begin to feel if it will later be refutable?

Life would be a little bit bland, right?

So, what is the point at which we should abandon logic, science, reason, knowledge, and thought, and succumb to feelings, emotions, and beliefs?

Never.

Originally Posted by StephenT

At what point is it most efficient to stop thinking, and feel?

I mean, when should we abandon logic and knowledge, and rely on emotions and gut feelings?

Is it when we reach something that we don't know?

If yes, then what do you do when knowledge is found? If it contradict what you felt, it is hard to abandon that belief which you have entrusted to be true, although it is false.

Then, should we ever begin to feel if it will later be refutable?

Life would be a little bit bland, right?

So, what is the point at which we should abandon logic, science, reason, knowledge, and thought, and succumb to feelings, emotions, and beliefs?

When you die.

Originally Posted by StephenT

At what point is it most efficient to stop thinking, and feel?

I mean, when should we abandon logic and knowledge, and rely on emotions and gut feelings?

Is it when we reach something that we don't know?

If yes, then what do you do when knowledge is found? If it contradict what you felt, it is hard to abandon that belief which you have entrusted to be true, although it is false.

Then, should we ever begin to feel if it will later be refutable?

Life would be a little bit bland, right?

So, what is the point at which we should abandon logic, science, reason, knowledge, and thought, and succumb to feelings, emotions, and beliefs?

Never. Reason, logic, and knowledge played the biggest part in my acceptance of religion.

Reason and emotion aren't opposed, they are complimentary.

Originally Posted by StephenT

At what point is it most efficient to stop thinking, and feel?

I mean, when should we abandon logic and knowledge, and rely on emotions and gut feelings?

Is it when we reach something that we don't know?

If yes, then what do you do when knowledge is found? If it contradict what you felt, it is hard to abandon that belief which you have entrusted to be true, although it is false.

Then, should we ever begin to feel if it will later be refutable?

Life would be a little bit bland, right?

So, what is the point at which we should abandon logic, science, reason, knowledge, and thought, and succumb to feelings, emotions, and beliefs?

When deciding who to love.

Originally Posted by Sandform

When deciding who to love.

Heh, yeah. Love is blind, and makes you do stupid things and throw out logic for feelings.

Originally Posted by Sandform

When deciding who to love.

True statement.

Typically, logic arises from intuition and the two inform one another. If you accept another's position on the basis of a reasoned argument, without investigating other arguments and intuitively feeling your way toward your own conclusions, you've truly opted not to think.

Originally Posted by StephenT

I mean, when should we abandon logic and knowledge, and rely on emotions and gut feelings?

More often than many people seem to believe.

Source

Now researchers at Leeds say these feelings – or intuitions – are real and we should take our hunches seriously.

Good find, O. One pitfall of clinging too doggedly to rationality and empiricism is the tendency to discount or ignore phenomena for which one lacks an explanatory mechanism. Another pitfall is mistaking one's explanations for the thing itself.

We may never stop thinking.

Well, intuition research is actually quite older than "recent". There are a number of books on it.

The point is that these are two different realms and there is a time and place for each, although they are strongly interconnected.
Rational thought is an analytical tool that should be used to build a world view that comes closest to reality. This is why it is stupid to assume the existence of a creator based on feelings. This is why we are in the 21st century and have grown out of childish superstition about hobbits and ghosts.

The text (and intuition research generally) usually focus on personal decision making in daily life. Decision making is never a fully conscious or rational progress because (a) all of the elements involved could not be symbolized on paper, (b) emotions are involved, (c) it's not supposed to be one.

There are times when decisions are to be made highly rationally, roughly rationally or almost entirely irrationally.

This is different from science and logical discourse based on factual evidence. In such cases we are not seeking decisions but truths. This is an important distinction to make. This logical discourse extends to science, religion, politics, economy and beyond. These are impersonal systems that require the use of logic and reason to progress.

The decisions made and conclusions found in these areas extend far beyond the scope of only the person who makes them. Therefore, it is mandatory to appeal to reason and engage in discourse based on evidence and logic.

When acting upon gut feelings, naturally you wouldn't be able to pinpoint and verbalize the reason for your actions. This is entirely acceptable and in fact often times the best way to behave. However, once you are in a situation where (a) the decision effects many people and (b) it is important to pinpoint the reasons for the decision so that others may understand it, you must be able to provide a fully rational analysis. As has been said, this is mandatory for politics, science, economy and all other forms of social interaction that are based on evidence and logic.

Example: Only because someone shot 20 people at a school doesn't mean we need to spend millions on increased security levels and rushing schools with fully armored cops when in fact school violence has gone down 50% in the last 15 years. We mustn't follow our gut feelings in such social decisions for which we have rationally accessible data available.

It is obvious that this is entirely different from deciding whether to approach a certain girl or what to eat for breakfast. These are decisions and emotions to don't have anything to with truth. They are purely subjective.

The question is, what tells us when to rely on what (gut feeling or intellect).

Then, you will have your answer.

When we wish to have ignorance in bliss.

Do you define thinking as any activity in your mind or do you define thinking only as the verbalization of your thoughts in your head? Your inner speech?

If you define thinking as any neural or biochemical activity in the brain, than we never stop thinking. The brain doesn't work with abstract logic, but with fuzzy lugic, thats why sometimes a thought doesn't fully manifest in the mind, and only manifests as a feeling. A thought can be anything you can imagine in your mind. If your leftbrain isn't able to verbalize the thought, you will only be able to feel it with your right brain. This is because the thought isn't 'clear' enough. That's intuition imo.

When God says so.

When you enter R/S.

Originally Posted by Korittke

When you enter R/S.

When you speak with Psych Student.

Originally Posted by Sandform

When you speak with Psych Student.

I'm honoured. When you speak with me you relinquish your scientific atheist beliefs, and listen to your heart. I must be good.

When you drink a sufficient quantity of alcohol.

Originally Posted by psychology student

I'm honoured. When you speak with me you relinquish your scientific atheist beliefs, and listen to your heart. I must be good.

Yep I get rid of [trying to use any] logic [with you] and just kinda foam at the mouth with blind rage! =P

Originally Posted by Sandform

Yep I get rid of [trying to use any] logic [with you] and just kinda foam at the mouth with blind rage! =P

Don't worry. Nobodys perfect.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Don't worry. Nobodys perfect.

lol.

Thoughts and feelings are interchangeable like the article Oneiro showed us says.

Feelings are just a collection of neurons firing off in reaction to something. These neurons form a network in the brain based on associations and connections so everything implicated by a certain thought is also brought up. Feelings are a body's reaction to something, whether apparent or simply something implied via an association in the brain, sometimes the body has a hard time telling the difference and we get the chemical dosage we unconsciously feel is necessary. We then pick up on the chemical dosage, even if what caused it were a bunch of implications unconsciously realized.