Thread: Why did i lose Christ?

Sounds like Christianity to me.

How do you know whatever you 'felt' is god? And how do you know 'god' is the one JC supposedly preached about?

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Do you think it is a two way street? Will Jesus seek me out as long as I keep an open mind? Will he be offended because I don't like him? Am I just destined for hell for not agreeing with the basic tenants of Christianity such as salvation and forgiveness?

My mother always tells me she prays for me. What does that mean? Is she praying that I will change my mind about something? Or praying that I will discover something previously hidden? Or is she praying to Jesus to come find me and give me an ephiphany?

Jesus does seek his lost sheep(we are the sheep), and Will give everyone so many many chances to come step into the light. He Loves you with a love I or any other human cant quite grasp or understand. I would humble myself before God, he does control the universe he created. If he says we aren't good and we need his salvation. gift of life. don't be too proud to accept it. What would that profit you?

As for your mothers prayers, I have this video. its long, if you dont have time to watch it, I will sum it up. watch some of the other near death experience videos though. there are millions of testimonies just like that.
Alright this guy gets stung by 4 box jellyfish while lobster diving at night. well, its a sure death or coma kind of thing. so when hes in the amublance he starts to pray the olnly prayer he knows. the lords prayer. anyway his mom always prays for him and thats the reason he remembers the lords prayer. forgive me my sins as I forgive others. than he dies. heart stops. hes in the presence of God and they shock him back to life. long story. just check these out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxf...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsV2oWL0bK0. This is the long one I told about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7i-e2lApL0

Need, Its not that we aren't good in our own eyes or in human terms. But after you become aware of the nature of God with the Pure Truth and Love and what not. we just don't measure up. I mean If you've ever hated anyone or told a lie. lusted after the flesh of a woman or man I don't know your sex. You aren't good. Good is a strong word. Im not judging you either

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Sounds like Christianity to me.

How do you know whatever you 'felt' is god? And how do you know 'god' is the one JC supposedly preached about?

Scatter, I just felt it was absolute truth when this man told me about Jesus Christ one time. the spirit was upon me and I believed. When its God its God. Its just what I believe. and for me this faith is a knowing. here, I have a miracle where I felt God again. Maybe a few weeks after being baptised.
I wrecked my uncles truck doing 70 one time. wasn't wearing a seatbelt(not smart) but I was having fun on a winding country road. Feeling free. Well, it had drizzled up ahead around the next sharp turn, and I fishtailed a bunch of times and ended up flying off the road. Well, at this point I totally relaxed in peace as I felt the divine presence of God as I slid out of control. It was the most at peace I've ever felt. It was beautiful. Anyway I flipped the truck a few times. (front flipped) once too, as it looked from the markings in the grass the next day. I ended up like 20 feet from the road upside down on a grassy knoll, truck totaled.
I crawled out without a scratch. lots of people stopped and I told them about how I felt God and they were amazed to see the truck and me unharmed. no seatbelt. Oh yea, my uncle was trying to sell that truck and he got more money from his full coverage insurance than he was trying to sell it for. It was like it was meant to happen. Great

I lost God and Christ once I realized he couldn't have possibly existed as the Bible and mainstream religions have described him. Too many contradictions.

I turned to deism but then realized that still relied on faith that I did not have.

Now, I'm just agnostic. By its nature, you can't prove or disprove religion.

Originally Posted by Blakesawake

Need, Its not that we aren't good in our own eyes or in human terms. But after you become aware of the nature of God with the Pure Truth and Love and what not. we just don't measure up. I mean If you've ever hated anyone or told a lie. lusted after the flesh of a woman or man I don't know your sex. You aren't good. Good is a strong word. Im not judging you either

How can you not lust "after the flesh of a woman" (sounds like you're a cannibal or something), if it's your natural instinct. Again to the point we always talk about. How can god expect you to be good by certain standards, when he makes it impossible to begin with. What would it mean if you, for example, never lusted, lied, hated or did anything else that makes you bad. Would it mean that you are equally pure as god?

It's not that you (Blakesawake) said this, but it's funny that many who are against atheism state that being an atheist makes you shit by your own standard. You know, when they say that atheists believe in nothing, or that they believe they're just specks of dirt, unholy molecules etc. But it actually seems that it's exactly the opposite. In my view, being alive is the most "epic" form you can be in (at the moment, since I don't know in what way matter will or has evolved beyond that), while religions (like you can see in the quote above), tell you that you are shit and that you can't do anything about it.

Its not that we aren't good in our own eyes or in human terms. But after you become aware of the nature of God with the Pure Truth and Love and what not. we just don't measure up. I mean If you've ever hated anyone or told a lie. lusted after the flesh of a woman or man I don't know your sex. You aren't good. Good is a strong word. Im not judging you either

Ahh, the joys of a religion that makes you feel guilty for the crime of being born, and for being programmed with certain urges. Trying to stop your most basic instincts is like trying to stop breathing, or getting your heart to stop beating. You can override instinct. You can't remove it.

How dare you arrogantly state that someone is not good simply because they are human. How dare you state your barbaric god is the epitome of goodness, and that honest, decent human beings who live a good life for the mere sake of living a good life, i.e. not out of cowardly fear, are ultimately bad people compared to your genocidal biggoted egotistical bastard of a god.

I just felt it was absolute truth when this man told me about Jesus Christ one time.

If others felt the same then we would currently believe the Earth is flat, with windows in the sky to let water, and that are we in the center of the universe. Which only goes to show how backwards the belief system is. one more fitting of desert nomads than people who live in a supposedly civilised and modern world.

It's also ironic how most religious people have the time to actually devote to their religion (instead of say, starving to death whilst trying to get their next meal) is due to technology and science.

"I had no choice that I was intelligent and favoured a rational and logical approach because that is the way my brain is set up." well yes you have your "inteligence" but well there really is no logic in your argument. god made you the way you are but he gave you the choice to be with or without him. but remember, 'the foolishness of god is wiser than the wisdom of man'
1st corinthians 1:25
saying that you would want glory for your creation is fine, but realy that is just selfish, and aperantly god isn't. it takesa hugeamopunt of faithin order to believe, and if you don't then watever, that is your choice.
love me or i willpunish you... is a choice, if you choose toaccept his love and salvation, then savedyou shat be, if not, then you don't deserve salvation.
btw, hel is basically the absence of god. meaning that there wouoold be lots of evil and no good, sou can'treally blame god.

Congratulations on being too dense and ignorant to actually grasp the implications of my argument, as well as ignoring my comment on how you cannot choose what you believe. I challenged you to sincerely believe that your god does not exist for 10 seconds. Or as someone else put it, walk off a cliff with the sincere belief that gravity is fictional, or you can defy it, or whatever you want. You can't do it. If you deny this truth you are stupid.

And you also fail to acknowledge how almost anyone would be better than your god. I certainly wouldn't be perfect, but I would be a far better supreme ruler of the universe and better with omnipotent power than your disgusting affront to humanity.

By the way, it's time idiots like you realise that you can quote scripture all day long. It has no impact on people who do not believe in it.

Originally Posted by Blakesawake

Need, Its not that we aren't good in our own eyes or in human terms. But after you become aware of the nature of God with the Pure Truth and Love and what not. we just don't measure up. I mean If you've ever hated anyone or told a lie. lusted after the flesh of a woman or man I don't know your sex. You aren't good. Good is a strong word. Im not judging you either

So. . . You're saying that I'm being judged as bad for staring at a chick's cleavage by a god who killed billions of people (flood, Jews massacring other tribes, etc.)?

Then I will happily and ecstatically cling to my badness and hope I NEVER become good in the eyes of your cruel, inhuman dictator.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

How can you not lust "after the flesh of a woman" (sounds like you're a cannibal or something), if it's your natural instinct. Again to the point we always talk about. How can god expect you to be good by certain standards, when he makes it impossible to begin with. What would it mean if you, for example, never lusted, lied, hated or did anything else that makes you bad. Would it mean that you are equally pure as god?

It's not that you (Blakesawake) said this, but it's funny that many who are against atheism state that being an atheist makes you shit by your own standard. You know, when they say that atheists believe in nothing, or that they believe they're just specks of dirt, unholy molecules etc. But it actually seems that it's exactly the opposite. In my view, being alive is the most "epic" form you can be in (at the moment, since I don't know in what way matter will or has evolved beyond that), while religions (like you can see in the quote above), tell you that you are shit and that you can't do anything about it.

It is possible to not lust after women. This is a sick world we live in though. We have grown far from God over time in our own ways. Also, there are Dark spiritual beings that thrive on and promote all the evil in the world.
Thats Exactly what that would mean. Equally as pure as God, but no man in all the Earth is good like God. Its all about humbling yourself, getting rid of your pride, to accept God's gift of life and love. Just don't be afraid to cry out to God when you are in trouble or dieing. Ask for forgiveness, he is good and just to forgive.
I don't think anything less of atheist than myself. They just believe in their selves. We are all equal down here. Even the saints, for they were once impure as well. They just believed when they heard of God's forgiveness and love. Its all about faith. When you know that God is alive, he will live in you. I believe humans are amazing creatures that have lost their way. listen to god.

Originally Posted by Blakesawake

lusted after the flesh of a woman or man I don't know your sex.

Oh nice. I guess we know how you feel about us fags now.

So. . . You're saying that I'm being judged as bad for staring at a chick's cleavage by a god who killed billions of people (flood, Jews massacring other tribes, etc.)?

Then I will happily and ecstatically cling to my badness and hope I NEVER become good in the eyes of your cruel, inhuman dictator.

I'm sticking with Need on this one. I'll stay a godless heathen as long as it means I don't have to worship this genocidal megalomaniac. I'm not trying to be offensive, but this is seriously how I see the christian god.

(Need, I would watch staring at the cleavage. The wife might rain down her wrath as opposed to god)

photo, I was aware of God before christ and felt him directing me in my life. He lead me to Christ to bring me much closer to him. I didn't give in out of guilt or something like that. I just saw how it really is. God is all about the peace and loving kindness. We are not... Guilt is a horrible feeling that will only last a short while when you ask forgiveness and you know you are care to share becuase it has been so beneficial to me.

[QUOTE=Rakjavik;940202]Oh nice. I guess we know how you feel about us fags now.QUOTE

Rak. The thought didn't even cross my mind. God Loves you too. You are no different than any other human in your lust for what ever sex and Don't let any hateful humans tell you otherwise. peace and love to you sir.

Originally Posted by Blakesawake

It is possible to not lust after women. This is a sick world we live in though.

Sick? I will speak for the US at this point. We have abolished slavery, we have legalized being gay, we accept all religions and we have freedom. We are not throwing chrisitans to lions, we don't have gladiators which kill each other for human entertainment ect. Sick world? I think it has improved.

We have grown far from God over time in our own ways. Also, there are Dark spiritual beings that thrive on and promote all the evil in the world.

Medieval superstition.

Thats Exactly what that would mean. Equally as pure as God, but no man in all the Earth is good like God.

No I am not as good as your god. Genocide, killing of children, first born of Egypt, plagues up the wazoo, killing every human being except for noah and his family, creating humans so that it is guaranteed that they will sin..... No I am not as good as your god.

Its all about humbling yourself, getting rid of your pride, to accept God's gift of life and love. Just don't be afraid to cry out to God when you are in trouble or dieing. Ask for forgiveness, he is good and just to forgive.

I don't need his forgiveness. I need the forgiveness of my fellow man who I may have wronged. Getting rid of pride? Tell you what, him first. God has more pride and jealousy then I could ever conjure.

I don't think anything less of atheist than myself. They just believe in their selves. We are all equal down here. Even the saints, for they were once impure as well. They just believed when they heard of God's forgiveness and love. Its all about faith. When you know that God is alive, he will live in you. I believe humans are amazing creatures that have lost their way. listen to god.

Lost our way? Seriously? Lost our way? The US right now has just elected their first black president. Lost our way? No, we are finding our way. We are making more progress as a people now than any god can claim ever. You say that atheists only believe in themselves. Damn right. We believe in ourselves and and whole human race. Instead of waiting for a sky captain to take us out of this world that you call sick. This is not a sick world. It is a world that just got it's first pump of antibiotics and is on its way to recovery. If you really think that this world is sick compared to the times before us, then you are even more delusional then a diehard theist. I am not trying to offend. But I can not think of a more tactful way of putting it. Peace.

Why did i lose Christ?

He ran away.

There is no greater love than this, that a man would lay down his life for his friends.

Originally Posted by Blakesawake

Scatter, I just felt it was absolute truth when this man told me about Jesus Christ one time. the spirit was upon me and I believed. When its God its God. Its just what I believe. and for me this faith is a knowing. here, I have a miracle where I felt God again. Maybe a few weeks after being baptised.
I wrecked my uncles truck doing 70 one time. wasn't wearing a seatbelt(not smart) but I was having fun on a winding country road. Feeling free. Well, it had drizzled up ahead around the next sharp turn, and I fishtailed a bunch of times and ended up flying off the road. Well, at this point I totally relaxed in peace as I felt the divine presence of God as I slid out of control. It was the most at peace I've ever felt. It was beautiful. Anyway I flipped the truck a few times. (front flipped) once too, as it looked from the markings in the grass the next day. I ended up like 20 feet from the road upside down on a grassy knoll, truck totaled.
I crawled out without a scratch. lots of people stopped and I told them about how I felt God and they were amazed to see the truck and me unharmed. no seatbelt. Oh yea, my uncle was trying to sell that truck and he got more money from his full coverage insurance than he was trying to sell it for. It was like it was meant to happen. Great

That proves you were lucky.

Horrible accidents happen all the time, some people are bound to get lucky. Even if some divine intervention had occurred, there'd be no way for you to know it was the Christian god. It could have been allah, zeus or an invisible wizard.

yeah, It was right after I found out about Christ and gave my life to him and it was the same spirit I felt take over when I got baptised. If you don't want any part in Christ fine, but I believe you are missing out. God will make you need him one day. They test you.

Originally Posted by Jorge

I'm not putting any religion out there, but I cannot sometimes believe people believe there no God, look at this amazing Universe! Earth is this small dust in the Universe yet it is so HUGE to us humans. There's a massive load of space out in outerspace, there billions and billions of starts, tons and tons of planets, darkholes, all kinds of lights, different types of planets and this is all ' just became on it's own? '


I believe there is a God, there has to be a creator. I don't understand how someone can disagree. Look at how everything exists. It's a wonderful, beautiful, Universe.


Now of course the question comes up, " Who Created God? "

And my response is " I do not know. " I do however believe that God is of High Intelligance than us puny humans, and that he created us in a way that we do not grasp, and understand everything that there is. That is the way I believe we were created, with not all knowledge.

So who created the beginning of the beginning? No idea.

But I believe there is a God.

Why not take it a step further and just say that the universes complexity came just as god could have, why in all this does a super natural being have to come in at some random point to guide it.

Originally Posted by Blakesawake

It is possible to not lust after women. This is a sick world we live in though.

If you ignore your desires and close your mind, then yeah I guess your right.

Originally Posted by Blakesawake

yeah, It was right after I found out about Christ and gave my life to him and it was the same spirit I felt take over when I got baptised. If you don't want any part in Christ fine, but I believe you are missing out. God will make you need him one day. They test you.

Ignorant fool, everyone knows that the only true salvation is through Dumbledore. If you don't worship Dumbledore you're living an unhappy life.

Dumbledore is dead. Nietsche said. Also J. K. Rowling.

Blake is just stating how God has made him feel complete. That is a valid statement and relevant to this thread. I applaud you for sharing it, brother.

He arrogantly asserts that

God will make you need him one day.

when clearly Dumbledore is the only true deity.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Now that I think about it, it would probably be more correct to say "Education*Intelligence = 1/Faith".

No, intelligence has nothing to do with it. Even Einstein believed in god, he just lacked modern education about the subject. There are also smart people who believe in god, they are just poorly educated. It just happens that usually the more intelligence are also well educated.

You are mixing up "smart" and "intelligent."

"Smart" people are the kinds of people who know facts, have experience, etc, but generally aren't good at thinking logically or wisely.

"Intelligent" people can put facts together - they very seldom are religious. There is a gross misconception about intelligence today; in fact it is much rarer than people think. Most apparently "intelligent" people are just smart.

Even Einstein believed in god

Not entirely true... he did not believe in a religious God, at any rate.