Thread: Is God an accident?

No, god was a necessity. Humans are a curious animal and they want to explain the universe around them. They couldn't understand certain things in ancient times so they had to invent god. Ironically enough, god was a scientific process a long time ago, it fit in the scientific process because there was nothing to prove it wrong and god was created by the smartest scientific minds. Now of course it's the exact opposite, the dumbest people believe in an omnipotent god an reject science.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

No, god was a necessity. Humans are a curious animal and they want to explain the universe around them. They couldn't understand certain things in ancient times so they had to invent god. Ironically enough, god was a scientific process a long time ago, it fit in the scientific process because there was nothing to prove it wrong and god was created by the smartest scientific minds. Now of course it's the exact opposite, the dumbest people believe in an omnipotent god an reject science.

I agree with all of that, but I am talking about the supposedly real God, not just my and your conception of God as a fictitious character. But I think you knew that already. Very clever.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

No, god was a necessity. Humans are a curious animal and they want to explain the universe around them. They couldn't understand certain things in ancient times so they had to invent god. Ironically enough, god was a scientific process a long time ago, it fit in the scientific process because there was nothing to prove it wrong and god was created by the smartest scientific minds. Now of course it's the exact opposite, the dumbest people believe in an omnipotent god an reject science.

And slowly this understanding is evolving, though we always attributed a personality to existence we never understood it. If you think about it, a unification from many gods into just one god was a massive leap for humanity. And this idea is still evolving, so that God is now being thought of as something within us.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Does God just happen to have existed forever in infinitely powerful, all knowing form?

Forever and eternity really arise from timelessness. The experience of timelessness ensues a strong knowing of absolute "foreverness". "Beginnings" and "endings" are impossible.

Isn't it obvious that existence and Reality are infinitely powerful? They have an absolute source, all other notions of limited force and energy patterns must only fall within the context of the Absolute (E.g. energy conservation). All of this unites with a Divine Source, which exists beyond all time.

yup, God was an accident.

virgin Mary was THIS fuckin close to gettin an abortion

An accident from what is the real question?

read the gnostic myth of sophia and the demiurge
is about god being the demiurge an incomplete inperfect creature that should never been created.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

An accident from what is the real question?

An accident from reality. I mean, some superpowerful, supercognizant, supernice thing just happens to pop into existence, or rather, never stopped/started existing, and that's what made the universe?

Wat.

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

An accident from reality. I mean, some superpowerful, supercognizant, supernice thing just happens to pop into existence, or rather, never stopped/started existing, and that's what made the universe?

Wat.

From who's reality exactly? Your reality or God's reality? Because your reality is World > all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you. Your low-resolution reality starts with the existence of "you", which is also the state of being actual or real, which consist of a begining and end. Meaning: Your reality doesn't supercede your own existence. Therefore God's reality would be considered on higher orders than our own, which within itself is eternal, having no begining or end. So how can you be an accident from something that doesn't supercede you?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Therefore God's reality would be considered on higher orders than our own, which within itself is eternal, having no begining or end.

Why not skip a step...

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Why not skip a step...

I like to make point clear and completely understandable.

What I meant was: instead of assuming that a god exists and then assuming the god doesn't need to be created, why not skip a step and just assume the universe doesn't need to be created?

the character from the novel "the bible" was just there, stories dont need a reason for them to be there. but if you think of it as the universe, then i think it was just an accident, it all happened out of chance.

I'd like to point out that God was boiled in the great pan of rightousness, strained in the strainer of all-knowingness, and covered in the delicous meatsauce of truth... This is the story of god's creation... Do not doubt him for his noodly appendages are all around you.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

What I meant was: instead of assuming that a god exists and then assuming the god doesn't need to be created, why not skip a step and just assume the universe doesn't need to be created?

Sorry my friend but my belief in God is definitely not an assumption. Furthermore it's pretty obvious that the Universe was brought into existence. Science can show evidence that it has begun but from an unknowable source. My belief in that source is God. Science has already debunked a static universe so there is no need to "assume" that the universe wasn't created.

Yeah, we know the universe hasn't always been, but it's a stretch to then write it off as a god creating it. Don't you think we should use science and learn more about its origins then jumping to a conclusion that a god made it? We thought god made humans, then we found out about evolution. It would make more sense to look at past discoveries, where we wrote something of as a creation of god until discovering later it was nature who 'created' the event.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Sorry my friend but my belief in God is definitely not an assumption. Furthermore it's pretty obvious that the Universe was brought into existence. Science can show evidence that it has begun but from an unknowable source. My belief in that source is God. Science has already debunked a static universe so there is no need to "assume" that the universe wasn't created.

We don't know if the universe came into existence by something exterior to it, and if it did, we certainly have no idea what that something is.

So yes, you're making two assumptions. You're assuming that the Universe was created by something exterior to it (god), and you're assuming that that "something" has a certain nature (which includes not needing to be created).

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

We don't know if the universe came into existence by something exterior to it, and if it did, we certainly have no idea what that something is.

Why are you repeating what I just said??? The point is this, based off the evidence that we currently have, we know for sure that the universe isn't static.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

So yes, you're making two assumptions. You're assuming that the Universe was created by something exterior to it (god), and you're assuming that that "something" has a certain nature (which includes not needing to be created).

Once again, that's not an assumption, that's a belief which is based the scriptures that states God creates outside of space-time. I know you don't believe in the Scriptures and what's written, if this is the case then that's on you. That's what makes us special right? We all have the ability to make up our own minds on what we want to believe is true or not.

Originally Posted by Grod

Yeah, we know the universe hasn't always been, but it's a stretch to then write it off as a god creating it. Don't you think we should use science and learn more about its origins then jumping to a conclusion that a god made it? We thought god made humans, then we found out about evolution. It would make more sense to look at past discoveries, where we wrote something of as a creation of god until discovering later it was nature who 'created' the event.

Evolution can't write off God. I believe in God and I believe in some forms of Evolution, definitely not that Darwinian crap but I do believe in Evolution. Even if Darwin's Evolution was fact it doesn't count God out by far.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Why are you repeating what I just said??? The point is this, based off the evidence that we currently have, we know for sure that the universe isn't static.

I didn't repeat what you said, I disagreed with it.

If by static you mean the universe has a beginning and an end, then no. We don't know if the big bang is the beginning of the universe or not.

Once again, that's not an assumption, that's a belief which is based the scriptures that states God creates outside of space-time. I know you don't believe in the Scriptures and what's written, if this is the case then that's on you. That's what makes us special right? We all have the ability to make up our own minds on what we want to believe is true or not.

Then you're assuming the men who wrote the scriptures were divinely inspired (i.e. right), it's the same thing.

Evolution can't write off God. I believe in God and I believe in some forms of Evolution, definitely not that Darwinian crap but I do believe in Evolution. Even if Darwin's Evolution was fact it doesn't count God out by far.

Evolution is a fact. You yourself admitted belief in "micro-evolution", and it can't exist without "macro-evolution" occurring too.

And the evolution science supports today isn't exactly Darwinian evolution. Darwin's theory was incomplete, he himself admitted he couldn't explain the natural variation of characteristics within members of the same species, but later Mendel (genetics) filled that gap. If I'm not mistaken, the correct term today is Neo-Darwinism.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

From who's reality exactly? Your reality or God's reality? Because your reality is World > all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you. Your low-resolution reality starts with the existence of "you", which is also the state of being actual or real, which consist of a begining and end. Meaning: Your reality doesn't supercede your own existence. Therefore God's reality would be considered on higher orders than our own, which within itself is eternal, having no begining or end. So how can you be an accident from something that doesn't supercede you?

Way to bury the question is senseless nonsense.

Obviously reality as in the all-inclusive pronoun for any and everything that can be said to be.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Evolution can't write off God. I believe in God and I believe in some forms of Evolution, definitely not that Darwinian crap but I do believe in Evolution. Even if Darwin's Evolution was fact it doesn't count God out by far.

That wasn't my point, man. I wasn't saying evolution writes off god. I was saying things that we believed that came from god actually, in fact, resulted from science. The same is with the origins of the universe. We don't need a god to explain it.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Furthermore it's pretty obvious that the Universe was brought into existence.

That is the universe, not existence itself. It is not the multiverse, other dimensions, the laws of physics, the laws of math, etc. The fact that this universe had a beginning, if it truly is a fact, does not prove that nothing existed "before" it but God. That is a total leap to a conclusion.