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      Alright Religion - You Win

      Alright.. that's enough religion.. you win.

      The whole world now agree's with your religion..

      Everyone on the planet has the same belief system as you..

      Now what?

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      Now we kill the Jews and Gays.

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      +1!
      seriously though, what the shit are you on about?


      I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. I am the Resurrection and the Life.

      I am the Light at the End of the Tunnel.

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      Religions often think it best that the entire planet have the same beliefs system as them. Thus..

      Thought experiment time:

      Everyone on the planet has the same belief as you.

      The planet is entirely suitable to every desire and variable of your belief system (eg. all jews are dead, all gays are dead, etc.).

      Now what do you do?

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      Convert the aliens.

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      Well, If you believe St. Malachy (Irish), we won't exactly have long to dance on graves. He predicted that this Pope is the 2nd last before the tribulations.
      Fact: He also said of Pope John Paul II, that he would be "The sun's labor". The Pope was born and died on a solar eclipse. When you take into account that he died in 1148 AD, It's fairly weird.
      Also, both the Mayans and Nostradamus predicted that the world will end on December the 21st, so they all seem to coincide.
      I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. I am the Resurrection and the Life.

      I am the Light at the End of the Tunnel.

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      Interesting thread!!

      Jehovah's Witnesses don't kill anyone. Ever. We are politcally neutral and don't even support war now-a-days. Many Jews have become Jehovah's Witnesses. Many homosexuals have stopped living that life-style and instead choose abstinence and become JW's. Same goes with murderers, rapists, drug abusers etc. The Bible can transform lives and everyone is acceptable to God as long as they meet his requirements.

      That said, some time in the future, Satan and the demons will be abyssed for 1,000 years. During that time both the righteous and unrighteous will begin to be resurrected and given a chance to learn about God. After the 1,000 years Satan and his demons will be let out to test mankind one final time. Amazingly enough, most people will side with the Devil!
      At that time, God will destroy everyone who sided with Satan.

      After that, there will be complete world peace. Everyone will have their own land, build their own house, grow their own food. Even the animals will be no threat. Deserts will be made lush again and there will be plenty of food for everyone, plenty of space, and no government as we now know government. Adam could speak "directly" with God (it was likely an angelic messenger), so it's reasonable to conclude that that line of communication will be reopened. There will be some kind of order, but the Bible doesn't say anything about it. We just have to wait and see and be there to see

      It's commonly believed among JW's that once the world is populated, reproduction will stop.
      I personally cannot imagine a world without babies and children so I hold to the belief that other planets will be made hospitable and people will simply migrate to them.
      People will never die, never war, and never stop learning about God and the things they enjoy. I like to imagine the sorts of clean technology that may be thought up and modes of transportation. I also like to imagine what the food would be like when it's no longer hampered by polution and the likes. How will the people learn about the deepest areas of the oceans?
      A lot of people say they would be bored to death after even a couple hundred years but I think they have little imagination. Imagine the instruments that could be mastered or created and other forms of expression and art! And how little we know about the general world around us. The places that could be traveled to. Helping to fortify the growth of different species...
      It's endless

      Thanks for this topic. It's put me in a very good mood.
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      Obviously if everyone suddenly had the same belief people would just make up shit to argue about for the sake of arguing, and then the whole cycle would start again!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zhaylin View Post
      After that, there will be complete world peace. Everyone will have their own land, build their own house, grow their own food. Even the animals will be no threat. Deserts will be made lush again and there will be plenty of food for everyone, plenty of space, and no government as we now know government. Adam could speak "directly" with God (it was likely an angelic messenger), so it's reasonable to conclude that that line of communication will be reopened. There will be some kind of order, but the Bible doesn't say anything about it. We just have to wait and see and be there to see
      So there will be a distribution of resources in regards to land and food.

      I presume this is mediated by God?

      Do humans have free will in this reality?

      A lot of people say they would be bored to death after even a couple hundred years but I think they have little imagination. Imagine the instruments that could be mastered or created and other forms of expression and art! And how little we know about the general world around us. The places that could be traveled to. Helping to fortify the growth of different species...
      It's endless
      You said that, in this state, we would be directly related to God, right? If there are species that need fortification, wouldn't this mean that the world is not in a perfect state? I am curious what that has to offer.

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      Next step would be to get all the chimps and gorilla's knowing perfect sign language and getting them to follow their code.
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      Thank God. Now we can get some peace and quiet. No more wars.
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      Quote Originally Posted by joshiejack View Post
      Next step would be to get all the chimps and gorilla's knowing perfect sign language and getting them to follow their code.
      lol.. that's good. I guess the next step would be converting animals..

      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Thank God. Now we can get some peace and quiet. No more wars.
      So, what do you do instead..?

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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      lol.. that's good. I guess the next step would be converting animals..



      So, what do you do instead..?

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      Kick back and relax!
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      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Kick back and relax!
      For eternity?

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      Until planetary invasion, civil war or an animal uprise or further evolution in another species.
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      Great questions, O'nus!
      If you recall Adam and Eve, they were given the command to populate the earth and take care of it.
      The same would be true of the new world. God is a God of order and the book of Isaiah and elsewhere says people would have pleasing work to do. It's just speculation on my part about what those jobs will be, but it's reasonable speculation.
      God's not going to wave a magic wand and make everything perfect. That world would get boring quickly. But he will help.
      Adam and Eve were to extend the boundary of the Garden. It's likely that people will have the same task. They'd work on one area at a time as much as possible for their location.

      People will always have free will, but at that point they will also have perfect understanding as Adam and Eve had. If anyone ever tries to rebel they would be quickly destroyed because the issues would have already been settled and there would be no need to allow any time to pass.
      And there will always be personal preferences. Just because someone COULD be a great painter doesn't mean they would want to lol. People will still be different and have the quarks that make us unique.

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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      For eternity?

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      Is that bad lol?

      If my Christianity ruled the world we would all kick back in heaven.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Zhaylin View Post
      If you recall Adam and Eve, they were given the command to populate the earth and take care of it.
      The same would be true of the new world. God is a God of order and the book of Isaiah and elsewhere says people would have pleasing work to do. It's just speculation on my part about what those jobs will be, but it's reasonable speculation.
      God's not going to wave a magic wand and make everything perfect. That world would get boring quickly. But he will help.
      Adam and Eve were to extend the boundary of the Garden. It's likely that people will have the same task. They'd work on one area at a time as much as possible for their location.
      The garden of eden is now gone. What would be the central focus of the "new world"?

      People will always have free will, but at that point they will also have perfect understanding as Adam and Eve had. If anyone ever tries to rebel they would be quickly destroyed because the issues would have already been settled and there would be no need to allow any time to pass.
      If this is true, then you are saying that Adam and Eve ought not to have had any cultural or opinionated differences, right? So, how did we end up as we are now then? Certainly they are not immune to dissent as Adam and Eve have led to some sort of separation.

      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Is that bad lol?

      If my Christianity ruled the world we would all kick back in heaven.
      Yes, I think it would be bad. You would want to spend all of eternity just sitting around? Sounds more like purgatory.

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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      The garden of eden is now gone. What would be the central focus of the "new world"?



      If this is true, then you are saying that Adam and Eve ought not to have had any cultural or opinionated differences, right? So, how did we end up as we are now then? Certainly they are not immune to dissent as Adam and Eve have led to some sort of separation.



      Yes, I think it would be bad. You would want to spend all of eternity just sitting around? Sounds more like purgatory.

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      Can't I eat all the food I want, sitting by the pool D: You can also have sex in heaven..... or so I was told but I have no proof of that because no one has been to heaven and back.
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      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Can't I eat all the food I want, sitting by the pool D: You can also have sex in heaven..... or so I was told but I have no proof of that because no one has been to heaven and back.
      Aren't these both cardinal sins? ie. gluttony and lust?

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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      Aren't these both cardinal sins? ie. gluttony and lust?

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      You know what you're right. I was picturing it as a 5 star resort but 100x better......But heaven is supposed to be "perfect" so I'll find out when I die..
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      Well, it probably gets more and more ridiculous and then they try to turn everyone into fundies. More sects break out. e t c

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xox View Post
      Well, it probably gets more and more ridiculous and then they try to turn everyone into fundies. More sects break out. e t c
      I don't think O'nus was trying to get an actual answer. He was simply using the Socratic method to point out that religions live off of conflict and the claim of adversity.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xox View Post
      Well, it probably gets more and more ridiculous and then they try to turn everyone into fundies. More sects break out. e t c
      Religious crack-down, anyone?


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      lol with hellohihello. That was always my problem with the typical view of heaven. The thought of floating around on clouds playing harps all day sounded absolutely dreadful!

      Adam is the man which makes him head over the woman. A Christian husband is supposed to take the thoughts and concerns of his wife into serious consideration but the ultimate choice is his.
      As the population grew and more men came into the picture they would have formed a "body of elders" of sorts where everyone would voice their opinions. But as with Moses and Aaron and the appointment of the older men to help deligate, the ultimate decision still rested on Moses.
      It's likely, that in the future, a similar arrangement will be made so everything can be carried out and accomplished in a peaceful, orderly, and prodective manner.

      Jehovah's Witnesses, of course, think the New System will be much like our congregation arrangement now in place. Now-a-days, we have "the Governing Body". In the US, they're situated in New York. They're men with the responsible for having literature published and distributed. They also receive "reports" from all the congregations in the US to see what personalized assistance needs to be addressed. From there we have Curcuit Overseers (CO). They're men assigned a territory. Locally, our CO covers most of West Virginia and some of Ohio. They travel to various congregations in their assigned area to address individual needs and to offer strength, encouragement, and counsel when needed. In Lousianna, however, when visiting several years ago, I learned that that area had 3 CO's because there were more congregations and more need.
      From there, we have District Overseers. They too are men with a large territory and serve the same purpose of the CO (I may have them reversed. One has a smaller area to cover than the other.).

      From there we have Presiding Overseers (PO's) though the lingo has changed and I no longer recall what they're now called lol. They oversee their single congregation.
      And to help them are the Elders- a body of men assigned talks and who offer assistance, counsel and encouragement to the individual members personally.

      They each work with one another to help run the congregations in unity as a whole. But each has more or less responsibility and ultimate control than the other.

      We picture the New System operating much like that. And our own system is based off the stories of Moses as well as the 1st century Christians

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