Thread: Astral Projection a Sin?

Yes, it's leaving your body open for demonic spirits. No, perhaps it is not a sin. Navigate your internet body here.
http://www.bebaptized.org/astral.htm
Read up, son.

Heh, thanks. I don't think that one can entirely be replaced, however.

Sin is an interesting concept. I think that sin is like a mental boundary we put up to keep ourselves from danger, which is subject to change. What was a bad thing to do 2000 years ago, may be a normal thing that we all accept now. In other words, we create this system due to our dualistic nature - always seeing things as either good or bad, which is completely up to the perceptionist (I should define and coin that word).

As for demonic possession, I'm not sure it's a demon as much as a mental sickness that could arise from doing something like astral projection and lucid dream so often. I've read some posts in the forum that say things like people are losing their grip on reality because they find it hard to distinguish their dreamworld from their waking life.

I don't think astral projection is a sin. You are not hurting anybody, you are exploring inner space and going on a path of self discovery. How can that be sinful?

Some may say that it's trying to find God before your time, which may come with punishment, Like the story of The Tower Babel.

Good point. However, I thought it was partly due to their arrogance that they thought they could 'attach' God to the physical world through some tower. Whereas this seems to be a humble path one takes on his own, and takes what he can get from it.

Originally Posted by Terefall

I have had many Christians tell me that Astral Projection was a sin

If it doesn't say that in their holy book (and I really doubt it does), you can accuse of them of heresy for trying to alter the religion's beliefs. Cool eh?

I mean, going to sleep might as well be a sin, since you lose conscious control of your body. Leaves it open for the demonic control, you know?

Let's say part of your consciousness IS leaving the body. It obviously can't all be or you wouldn't remember it. Doesn't that leave a 'gap' that needs filling? How do you know you won't be possessed?

Soz, paranoid as fuck.

astral projection is a sin.

We should not question the nature of reality. Because God created us to be ignorant. We should not question the holy bible, the final words of God. Because God has nothing left to say. We should not seek any spiritual activity where you can experience the truth about your spiritual being. Because God doesn't want us to experience the truth. God doesn't even want us to experience God!! We should not seek any spiritual activity that directly questions the foundations of Christianity herself.

Because if our religion is wrong, we don't want to know.

Oh those mystics! Trying to sway us with their evil ways, telling us that one who is One with Christ has nothing to fear.



Fear is a good thing.
You should fear the unknown.
Just as God is an unknown.
You should give in to fear.
You should fear God.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Let's say part of your consciousness IS leaving the body. It obviously can't all be or you wouldn't remember it. Doesn't that leave a 'gap' that needs filling? How do you know you won't be possessed?

Soz, paranoid as fuck.

Both albert taylor and robert bruce are experienced astral projectors, and they will tell you that the likelihood of getting possessed is not greater while astral projecting.. They have some good reasons for their conclusion too, I just forgot what they are, I just remember listening to interviews of them when they answer that questions.

Anyone interested should listen to albert tylor's and robert bruce's coast to coast interviews on youtube.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

Some may say that it's trying to find God before your time, which may come with punishment, Like the story of The Tower Babel.

since when is finding God, a sin?

Demons are not real. I thought I should mention that. Also, nothing infinitely intelligent is going to be pissed off because you practiced astral projection.

Originally Posted by plg6067

Both albert taylor and robert bruce are experienced astral projectors, and they will tell you that the likelihood of getting possessed is not greater while astral projecting.. They have some good reasons for their conclusion too, I just forgot what they are, I just remember listening to interviews of them when they answer that questions.

Anyone interested should listen to albert tylor's and robert bruce's coast to coast interviews on youtube.

Robert Bruce's answer is rather complicated. On a simple level, he would say "that's because the soul isn't leaving the body anymore than when you dream"

it gets more complicated, when he starts to talk about how can you experience two places at the same time

but rather than being AFRAID of his first mind split experience, he pushed forward. He questioned the reality of the human soul. That's the mark of a truly spiritual person, to not let fear choose for them.

reading his understanding of his experiences reminded me of some other spiritual teachings out there. that teach that there is only one consciousness, God's. And God's consciousness is experiencing itself as many individuals. But all of those individuals, are God - even if they don't realize it. When an individual realizes the truest form of their consciousness is God, they experience consciousness as outside the confines of time and space

This can happen on a grand level. Such as with Jesus who claims to be one with with his followers *or all of humanity or more*. Remembering that Jesus prays for individual to be ONE with God.

It's happened to people who have had a near death experience, experiencing the consciousness of all of their loved ones simultaneously, or even the consciousness of the whole earth

or it can happen on a much tinier level. You looking into someones eyes, and understanding without saying words

in AP, it seems you have only ONE unique individuality. That's capable of experiencing itself, in more than one place at a time. The picture is complicated. But I don't think Robert claims to have all the answers. But simply that reality isn't what most of us think it is

if this is true, there is nothing sinful about AP. It's just another spiritual practice, one step closer to God

Originally Posted by juroara

Robert Bruce's answer is rather complicated. On a simple level, he would say "that's because the soul isn't leaving the body anymore than when you dream"

it gets more complicated, when he starts to talk about how can you experience two places at the same time

but rather than being AFRAID of his first mind split experience, he pushed forward. He questioned the reality of the human soul. That's the mark of a truly spiritual person, to not let fear choose for them.

reading his understanding of his experiences reminded me of some other spiritual teachings out there. that teach that there is only one consciousness, God's. And God's consciousness is experiencing itself as many individuals. But all of those individuals, are God - even if they don't realize it. When an individual realizes the truest form of their consciousness is God, they experience consciousness as outside the confines of time and space

This can happen on a grand level. Such as with Jesus who claims to be one with with his followers *or all of humanity or more*. Remembering that Jesus prays for individual to be ONE with God.

It's happened to people who have had a near death experience, experiencing the consciousness of all of their loved ones simultaneously, or even the consciousness of the whole earth

or it can happen on a much tinier level. You looking into someones eyes, and understanding without saying words

in AP, it seems you have only ONE unique individuality. That's capable of experiencing itself, in more than one place at a time. The picture is complicated. But I don't think Robert claims to have all the answers. But simply that reality isn't what most of us think it is

if this is true, there is nothing sinful about AP. It's just another spiritual practice, one step closer to God

So what is reality,the universe is made up of atoms which appear in forms of liquid,gasses and solids,the atoms themselves consist of neurons,electrons and nucleia etc which consist of nothing but mysterious energy vibrations.
Therefore everything from the cup on your table to the car in your garage is a hollow-graph(hollow),making dreams "vibrational energy signature"no less real than anything else our senses can detect.

Playing dungeons and dragons is a sin too.

Originally Posted by Alric

Playing dungeons and dragons is a sin too.

So is eating pork.

its rather offensive that ignorant people feel the need to slander an entire religion without first seeing what the religion has to say. like saying you like chocolate more than peanut butter when you have never had peanut butter, and therefor cannot say one is less. I do not so much believe in christianity as i do christ, i believe that following him, is more important than following a religion, he made the rules for us (bible) so why should we make more rules... the bible says demons are real, so i follow HIS teaching and believe that they are such. it does not say that we will go to hell for leing, so i do not believe it. SIN is not a theory but a thing, i believe to sin is to do the opposite of what god tells us. and because god IS good, than anything we do against him is thus evil.

Also, the bible has nothing to say about weather or not we should eat peanut butter, so in turn, it is perfectly okay to do so or not. If it says to split ones consciousness, or enter an out of body experience is evil, then so would AP as it falls in that guideline. But if your pastor says AP is evil, it doesn't mean it is, only is it evil if god has proclaimed it to be. So FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF, don't let others persuade you into a common thinking that could very well not be in the bible. if you want to know the truth, seek the truth for yourself, if you ask for lies, hold onto the truth others give you.

Originally Posted by p0k3ts1z3

i believe to sin is to do the opposite of what god tells us. and because god IS good, than anything we do against him is thus evil.

The Bible also says that a woman shouldn't have authority over a man. So if my mom tells me to clean my room then I don't have to because that would be a sin against God.

Originally Posted by Saturos

The Bible also says that a woman shouldn't have authority over a man. So if my mom tells me to clean my room then I don't have to because that would be a sin against God.

If your mom is telling you to clean your room, it's safe to say you're not a man yet.

i love the "god is good" point of view. if "he" created everything, how is "he" good? im not atheist or agnostic or anything like that, please dont get me wrong. ive taken bits and pieces from all of the different view points on the subject that ive been exposed to and live by whatever feels right to me. for me, it boils down to loving and respecting myself, and everyone/anything else i interact with.

to the OP: astral projection a sin? why do you think the church would be against anyone being able to directly talk to "god"? the middle man usually isnt happy when you cut them out.

Even though I believe in God and Jesus, its not stopping me from still searching for spiritual truths and growing in my faith. There are passages in the New Testament which speak of spiritual gifts and not to be ignorant of them, because they do exist. As well as demons. I havn't come across any AP info that warns of demonic possession when projecting... although it may be possible, I'd say its rare. Your astral body is still connected to your physical body when projecting, and any noises or physical disturbances supposedly "snap" you back to your body. In the out of body or astral plane, other entities can see you and interact with you, but you are always connected to your body by this silver/golden chord. Your physical body is in no more danger of "demonic possession" than if you were just lounging on your couch. Or exploring a haunted house. The difference here is that your consciousness is outside your physical body, as I understand it. I'd do some white light or golden light meditation before doing it, and have some sort of affirmation like "I will be protected when projecting", or pray or have some kind of spiritual protection just in case. But I really don't feel that demonic possession is that much of a concern, there are other facets and things to be read on about AP that are more worthwhile and important. Demons latch on to those that are fear-based anyway, they feed of fear, doubt, and negativity. So fears would attract them anyway.

As to AP as a sin... I'd say it depends what you use it for. If its for true spiritual intents, like exploring the akashic records or genuinely searching for a closer connection to God, then I can't see what the big deal would be. So you're leaving your body, so what? Some things in moderation, or for the right intent, isn't a sin to me. And to God, all "sins" are the same, nothing is a "greater" sin than another, they're all bad to him. Lying/lust/whatever would be just as bad as AP projecting (if AP were considered a sin). AP to me seems practical and a positive force when done correctly and for the right reasons.

I see that the topic died ... sorry.
Obsession with power entities is a reality for everyone.
With the only caveat, if the person is practicing the AP, he can always feel the attack from the outside, or find a way to get rid of it ...
... A religion invented satan that disconnect people ... I believe in God.