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      gay sheep in bible times: didn't they notice?

      back in bible times they didn't have television, movies, internet, texting, etc. they depended a lot more on animals and sheperds were common. did they not notice homosexual relations in animals, especially sheep? why then would they say it is unnatural? I'm talking about the verse in leviticus, 20:13:

      Quote Originally Posted by King James Version
      13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
      Quote Originally Posted by New International Version
      13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
      I noticed it doesn't actually say "unnatural" in either KJV or NIV, but that is what was said in a movie I saw last night that took place in bible times, which is why I wanted to make this thread...so I'm not sure what version they were using :\

      still, with all the sheperds, they must have noticed there were some "gay" sheep. did they put these animals to death for commiting this terrible sinful act? :\

      or did they notice and no one gave a damn about any of it except for the people with power who picked and chose what books to include in the bible and how exactly it should be translated? I can't say I know what the actual hebrew is or what the most accurate translation would be, but it can't be "unnatural" because any sensible person in that time would realize it occurs in nature and therefore cannot be considered against nature.

      furthermore why would anyone take the laws laid down in leviticus seriously? it calls for people to be put to death for petty offenses. why would a christian/bible believer who is against homosexuality think it is ok to use this verse in an argument? for one thing they likely don't even know the REASON it's in there (there is a book written by bishop John Shelby Spong- in which he claims to have studied this subject in depth, and in the original language- that provides the real reason behind these verses, at least according to him) and another thing, if they are going to use this verse, why not take all the others just as seriously? why pick just one verse, one law, and reject all the others as outdated or otherwise unacceptable?

      I just don't get it :\


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      If a man fucks a sheep the sheep will have sheep babies

      the shepards dont have to fuck around trying to hook the sheep up.

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      Have you noticed how stupid sheep are, and other animals that do this? They smell a butthole and want sex... that's it. They are not becomming engaged in a gay relationship like gay people. Sex was the instict, not being a flaming homo, that thinks he is a she.

      Do you see transexual animals? animals that think they are the other gender? No... Humans are fuckin wack.

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      And in the animal kingdom, sex is often used to show dominance. Gay sheep doesn't = sexual attraction but is more like rape (though not literally- it's just the alpha animal showing an underling who's boss).

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zhaylin View Post
      And in the animal kingdom, sex is often used to show dominance. Gay sheep doesn't = sexual attraction but is more like rape (though not literally- it's just the alpha animal showing an underling who's boss).
      Female dogs do this too. Humping, that is.

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      "Just" gods demand that men be killed after sleeping with them. It baffles me that someone whose supposedly the "alpha" and the "omega" can harbor such petty human emotions like wrath, vengeance, anger, jealousy, regret and sorrow just to name a few.

      "Vengeance is mine saith the lord"

      "And the lord was sorry that he had made man"

      "Thou shalt have no other gods before me, I am a jealous God..."

      Stupid begets stupid. People take a book, call it truth...and take every bit and piece literally. This is why homosexuality is still a taboo today, largely becasue of the bible. This is why women are still perceived as inferior today, largely because of the bible.

      I could go on and on and on but...the point I'm trying to make is that we can either make plagiarized ancient books our gods or love or fear.

      Leaving the bible for primitive minds to take, pick apart and base their life off of is akin to giving a monkey a loaded gun.

      Put down the basic instructions before leaving earth and sincerely give a compliment to 10 different people or smile with good eye contact at 10 different people. You'll have a greater effect on them as opposed to stopping them and handing them a scripture.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Zhaylin View Post
      And in the animal kingdom, sex is often used to show dominance. Gay sheep doesn't = sexual attraction but is more like rape (though not literally- it's just the alpha animal showing an underling who's boss).
      Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
      Have you noticed how stupid sheep are, and other animals that do this? They smell a butthole and want sex... that's it. They are not becomming engaged in a gay relationship like gay people. Sex was the instict, not being a flaming homo, that thinks he is a she.
      Sheep are particularly interesting, he says, because besides humans, they are the only animal where the males may naturally express exclusively gay sexual preferences. As many as one in 10 rams can be gay.

      why don't you guys do some more reading before you blow up on me :(

      Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
      Do you see transexual animals? animals that think they are the other gender? No... Humans are fuckin wack.
      if there are transsexual animals, would they be able to tell you? no. they'd simply behave more like the opposite sex. I believe there ARE transsexual animals out there, that is, female or male animals with brain chemistry (or something) more like that of the other sex. it is just a defect, and BOUND TO HAPPEN, the way everything is stratified.

      why is this SO HARD for you to wrap your mind around? and why do you have to be so hateful? what's it hurt you if some guy decides to be a woman one day, and has a sex change, even if it ISN'T a legitimate medical condition, just a whim? tell me, what exactly is it hurting?


      btw thankyou jeff777 for the only serious, non-attitude filled reply :|


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      I think Jeff777's reply is as filled with attitude as anyone else's (just with different attitude).

      Incest is fairly common with animals, so I guess that makes it natural. Child molesting as well. There was this kitty who got pregnant by her father. And there's the Austrian guy who held his daughter in basement and had how many kids with her. Also completely natural. Okay, this is an extreme example and can't be compared to homosexuality, but still it shows that you can base what's ok and what's not on animals, it doesn't work that way. Animals also kill each other and do other things, remember that.

      And why do they want the homosexuals killed? Because it was the general attitude at the time and region the bible was written. Homosexuality was completely ok in ancient Greece and Rome, then in medieval times and later it wasn't, then it's ok again and it's gonna be condemned again some time in the future, I'm sure of it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by mysterious dreamer View Post
      Also completely natural. Okay, this is an extreme example and can't be compared to homosexuality, but still it shows that you can base what's ok and what's not on animals, it doesn't work that way. Animals also kill each other and do other things, remember that.
      I wasn't saying it's ok because animals do it, just that you can't say it is unnatural.


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      Quote Originally Posted by mysterious dreamer View Post
      I think Jeff777's reply is as filled with attitude as anyone else's (just with different attitude).

      Incest is fairly common with animals, so I guess that makes it natural. Child molesting as well. There was this kitty who got pregnant by her father. And there's the Austrian guy who held his daughter in basement and had how many kids with her. Also completely natural. Okay, this is an extreme example and can't be compared to homosexuality, but still it shows that you can base what's ok and what's not on animals, it doesn't work that way. Animals also kill each other and do other things, remember that.

      And why do they want the homosexuals killed? Because it was the general attitude at the time and region the bible was written. Homosexuality was completely ok in ancient Greece and Rome, then in medieval times and later it wasn't, then it's ok again and it's gonna be condemned again some time in the future, I'm sure of it.
      If humans truly evolve outside ignorance and prejudice, then it probably won't because there is no reason for it. Homosexuality does not truly hurt anybody so how could an enlightened society continue to condemn it so?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Black_Eagle View Post
      If humans truly evolve outside ignorance and prejudice, then it probably won't because there is no reason for it. Homosexuality does not truly hurt anybody so how could an enlightened society continue to condemn it so?
      I meant that the society may not always be so enlightened, there's a peak point you must reach and then decline. But then again, we can't predict future, we can only assume.
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      Fact: why do farmers fuck their sheep at the edge of a cliff? it's so the sheep pushes back.

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      Quote Originally Posted by SpecialInterests View Post
      Fact: why do farmers fuck their sheep at the edge of a cliff? it's so the sheep pushes back.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
      Have you noticed how stupid sheep are, and other animals that do this? They smell a butthole and want sex... that's it. They are not becomming engaged in a gay relationship like gay people. Sex was the instict, not being a flaming homo, that thinks he is a she.

      Do you see transexual animals? animals that think they are the other gender? No... Humans are fuckin wack.
      Actually all animals have Homosexual Tendencies. If you do Isolate two Male Sheep together, they will eventually have the instict to have sex.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Promethion View Post
      Actually all animals have Homosexual Tendencies. If you do Isolate two Male Sheep together, they will eventually have the instict to have sex.
      [citation needed]

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      Quote Originally Posted by Promethion View Post
      Actually all animals have Homosexual Tendencies. If you do Isolate two Male Sheep together, they will eventually have the instict to have sex.
      Using the same logic, if you isolate a homosexual and a girl, they'll eventually have sex.
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      If homosexualty was NATURAL, then we'd all have penises and vaginas. It's impossible for a man to have a baby with a man and impossible for a woman to have a baby with another woman. Nature made it that you had to be heterosexual to reproduce and therefore to survive.
      This is the proof that homosexualty is NOT NATURAL.

      PS. I did not scream the words in capitals, just tried to make them clear.

      On the other hand, ITS NOT BECAUSE SOMETHING IS UNNATURAL that they should be killed OR/AND made fun of OR/AND unrespected as long as this is non-hurting. As far as I know, homosexualty doesn't hurt anybody except for the homosexual himself (or herself) because of the discrimination all around them and the fact that they might feel different from other people.

      But when it comes back to it, homosexualty, has some bits of natural because the person hasn't choose to be gay, they were that way naturally. In conlcusion, Homosexuality is unatural and natural at the same time. Religious shouldn't be allowed to discriminate people for their homsexualty because "its unnatural" since homosexuals are only following their natural instinct which is similar to faith except homosexuality is more of a fact.

      However, I'm not sure about transgenderism (Homosexuals are SOMETIMES transgenders). Did you ever see a transgender with only friends of his/her sex? Maybe its the fact that they were raised hanging out with the other sex, getting the other sex's traits, that made the person transgender and not his/her natural feelings. If what I'm saying is true, then its most probably possible to make this person to gain their own sex's traits again by hanging out with people of same sex. This is just a theory that i just thought of now and thought of sharing, however I have no idea if its true or no, just thought I'd say it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough View Post
      If homosexualty was NATURAL, then we'd all have penises and vaginas. It's impossible for a man to have a baby with a man and impossible for a woman to have a baby with another woman. Nature made it that you had to be heterosexual to reproduce and therefore to survive.
      This is the proof that homosexualty is NOT NATURAL.

      PS. I did not scream the words in capitals, just tried to make them clear.

      On the other hand, its not because something is unnatural that they should be killed OR/AND made fun of OR/AND unrespected as long as this is non-hurting. As far as I know, homosexualty doesn't hurt anybody except for the homosexual himself (or herself) because of the discrimination all around them and the fact that they might feel different from other people.

      Also, I'm not sure about transgenderism. Did you ever see a transgender with only friends of his/her sex? Maybe its the fact that they were raised hanging out with the other sex, getting the other sex's traits, that made the person transgender and not his/her natural feelings. If what I'm saying is true, then its most probably possible to make this person to gain their own sex's traits again by hanging out with people of same sex. This is just a theory that i just thought of now and thought of sharing, however I have no idea if its true or no, just thought I'd say it.
      Your point is valid. But, please, if you have love in your heart, don't say "homosexuality isn't natural", because some bible lovers are gonna read that partially and interpret it the way they want. If I were you, I'd put some words that are in the second paragraph in capitals, too.

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      God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and internet porn. The internet is not natural.
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      Homosexaulity isn't natural. Those sheep from the example of the OP are sheep...Not human. If i wanted to make a case for cannibalism then i could use the same logic and point out that Crocodiles and lots of other species practice it. If Cannibalism is so wrong and unnatural then why do other creatures do it? Same logic here used by the OP.

      We are not sheep, and we are not Crocodiles. Just because some Sheep ass fuck each other doesnt mean it's natural for humans to do so.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kromoh View Post
      Your point is valid. But, please, if you have love in your heart, don't say "homosexuality isn't natural", because some bible lovers are gonna read that partially and interpret it the way they want. If I were you, I'd put some words that are in the second paragraph in capitals, too.

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      My opinion: if you are against gay relationships, then you *must* also be against contraception, preservatives, and who knows even masturbation. Being against gay relationships only, saying they are "unnatural", is pure hypocrisy.
      I changed it to a certain extent still being honest.

      Also, yes, as you say, it is hypocrit to be against something because its unnatural, considering that we are living in a world that barely any of it is natural. If someone is against homosexualty just because its unnatural, then, they should be against, cars, homes not made out of wood, computers, roads, phones, schools or any building, even hospitals and all the equipment they use.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and internet porn. The internet is not natural.
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      I would just like to add Leviticus has a lot do with cleanliness, obviously anal sex is dirty. I cannot say the same for the woman, did they have gay woman in the Bible?
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      Quote Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough View Post
      I changed it to a certain extent still being honest.

      Also, yes, as you say, it is hypocrit to be against something because its unnatural, considering that we are living in a world that barely any of it is natural. If someone is against homosexualty just because its unnatural, then, they should be against, cars, homes not made out of wood, computers, roads, phones, schools or any building, even hospitals and all the equipment they use.
      Yep. Akin to that -if you believe that research with embryos is "playing God", then you should also be in favour of abolishing medicine, vaccines, automated machines and animal/plant artificial breeding.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kromoh View Post
      Religious extremists are hypocrites.

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      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1100903.stm

      According to this article, a cougar killed some skier in Canada.


      Wow what a releif now i can come out of the closet as a serial killer, i know its alright because an animal did it so it must be ok for me to do it too?

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