Thread: VenomFangX has left the intertubes

He's back with a new account, VenomFangX1

Wow, that was chuffing quick.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Wow, that was chuffing quick.

He pulled this shit before. I think we even had a thread about it. Then he came back 2 days later with a vid, that was nothing but edited footage of people saying his name. It was the most narcissistic thing I've ever seen.

Not to mention him asking for donations and saying that he would give it to a child's hospital and then keeping it. Christian goodness at it's best.

Not to diss any Christians here, but you are no different morally. Just saying.

Not to diss any Christians here, but you are no different morally. Just saying.

I might as well say, 'Man, did you hear about Martin Romschtien who kiled a small child and then defended his actions by saying that the murder was just because of synapses in his brain resulting from his environment? No offense to atheists, but you are no different morally. Just saying.'

Such blanket statements are the opposite of rationalism and the definition of dogma.

So, erm... do most Christians DENY that murder is the result of synapses in the brain ultimately caused by environmental pressures?

Originally Posted by spockman

I might as well say, 'Man, did you hear about Martin Romschtien who kiled a small child and then defended his actions by saying that the murder was just because of synapses in his brain resulting from his environment? No offense to atheists, but you are no different morally. Just saying.'

Such blanket statements are the opposite of rationalism and the definition of dogma.

Err, you might as well say. Thing is, I agree with you. The blanket statement is that people are people. Humans are human. Doesn't matter your religion or creed.

I guess my point is, that VFX acted morally superior to pretty much everyone, but he turned out to be just as corrupted as any atheist, agnostic, muslim ect could be.

Well, if you put it that way. Realize, though, that the way you put your post pretty much sounded like all you people that are Christians are the same as VFX because you're Christians. I agree with your clarification, though. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

Idolfan: Most Christians believe in free will in that our spirit is conjoined with our mind. So our choices, though they have a physical outcome, are made in our souls.

Most atheists believe in morality, too. Even if they deny it out front. Someone mugs an atheists grandmother or kicks them between the legs most of them will get just as pissed and think of that person as a bad guy. If you are going to use common morals to judge people, there are good atheist people and bad atheist people. Just as there are good Christians and bad Christians.

Originally Posted by spockman

Idolfan: Most Christians believe in free will in that our spirit is conjoined with our mind. So our choices, though they have a physical outcome, are made in our souls.

If free will existed, then what would it be? Randomness? It can go either way, 50/50. It is still not explained what makes the choice!

He actually reinstated his real account claiming Muslim threats (which is interesting considering he hasn't made or hosted any anti-muslim vids since the last "I'm leaving youtube" dibacle. Plus, if you go to his site, it says his parents don't support him and are shutting him down. He was also scandaling people by promising to donate to charity and then keeping all the money for himself.

I'm sorry, Christian, atheist, Buddhist, whatever, this kid is scum and following the exact path of his hero, Kent Hovind.

Originally Posted by spockman

Well, if you put it that way. Realize, though, that the way you put your post pretty much sounded like all you people that are Christians are the same as VFX because you're Christians. I agree with your clarification, though. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

Idolfan: Most Christians believe in free will in that our spirit is conjoined with our mind. So our choices, though they have a physical outcome, are made in our souls.

Most atheists believe in morality, too. Even if they deny it out front. Someone mugs an atheists grandmother or kicks them between the legs most of them will get just as pissed and think of that person as a bad guy. If you are going to use common morals to judge people, there are good atheist people and bad atheist people. Just as there are good Christians and bad Christians.

Atheists don't believe in universal morality, not relative morality.

Originally Posted by spockman

Most Christians believe in free will in that our spirit is conjoined with our mind. So our choices, though they have a physical outcome, are made in our souls.

But free will is deterministic either way, it doesn't matter if it's origin is in the brain or in the "soul".

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

Atheists don't believe in universal morality, not relative morality.

Thank you.

OH NO! The second VenomFangX is WORSE THAN THE FIRST!!!

Let the fun begin.

For us who don't get involved in trivial interwebz matters, who the hell is VenomFangX?

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

For us who don't get involved in trivial interwebz matters, who the hell is VenomFangX?

Think Kent Hovind on the internet before he ended up in jail, and not much before.

tf00t already made a quick video comment on the new venomfangx.

But free will is deterministic either way, it doesn't matter if it's origin is in the brain or in the "soul".

That doesn't mean we own our choices any less, though. If I choose to close out of this web tab right now and never return to DV, obviously, yeah, I chose that for some reason. No-one does anything without some reason or some explanation. That's a given. So our actions are of course going to be guided by variables and such. And our brains/neural pathways are going to be shaped by genes and circumstances, granted.

But even though our choices may be causational, that doesn't mean they are any less 'our' choices. You can say that I've never really had a choice in anything since my responses are 'deterministic,' but my brain still came to a conclusion on how to react to a particular scenario. My brain did that, no-one elses. My thoughts, though resulting from prior experiences, are still my thoughts and the fact that the roots and causes for my thoughts can be rationalized and explained away does nothing to take away my ownership of them.

I'm afraid that I'm not articulating my point well. Are the above paragraphs hard to get a point out of? I've really thought alot on the subject of determinism and it's hard to make my opinions coherent.

Originally Posted by spockman

That doesn't mean we own our choices any less, though. If I choose to close out of this web tab right now and never return to DV, obviously, yeah, I chose that for some reason. No-one does anything without some reason or some explanation. That's a given. So our actions are of course going to be guided by variables and such. And our brains/neural pathways are going to be shaped by genes and circumstances, granted.

But even though our choices may be causational, that doesn't mean they are any less 'our' choices. You can say that I've never really had a choice in anything since my responses are 'deterministic,' but my brain still came to a conclusion on how to react to a particular scenario. My brain did that, no-one elses. My thoughts, though resulting from prior experiences, are still my thoughts and the fact that the roots and causes for my thoughts can be rationalized and explained away does nothing to take away my ownership of them.

I'm afraid that I'm not articulating my point well. Are the above paragraphs hard to get a point out of? I've really thought alot on the subject of determinism and it's hard to make my opinions coherent.

I understand completely because I agree.

It just seemed in your earlier post that you were one of those people that opposes free will to determinism as if it was something outside of it. Like in the imdb Lost forums some were complaining "oh so since history in Lost is deterministic that means there's no free will!!", free will is deterministic, it can't be any other way (the only other conceivable option would be randomness, and that's certainly not 'free'). If the universe right now reseted to before I started writing this post, I'd write the post the exact same way I did now, not because something "forced" me to, this is what the current me would decide to write given the circumstances.

Okay, cool. Yep, I agree. I see why my post sounded like that. But
I was just saying what most Christian's believe. See-

So, erm... do most Christians DENY that murder is the result of synapses in the brain ultimately caused by environmental pressures?

Most Christians believe in free will in that our spirit is conjoined with our mind. So our choices, though they have a physical outcome, are made in our souls.

I was just answering Idolfan's question on the general Christian stance. Not affirming that stance myself. I personally think that our souls and brains are inseperably linked while we are alive, (if our essence exists physically anywhere it's in our brain,) making the soul another factor in our decisions and not the metaphysical place that we come to conclusions.

But that's just me.