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      Tell me about Chaos Magick

      I'm quickly becoming fascinated with rituals, sigils, symbology and all that good stuff. Are there any practitioners here that can give me some insight into this stuff? What's your story? How did you get started? What's your overall philosophy?

      The way I'm seeing it right now, it's just a way to use symbology to internalize beliefs/desires and focus the mind/will without having to deal with the critical conscious mind. So really, behind all the hocus pocus, you're just telling your subconscious to manifest certain behaviours, by speaking in symbols and visualizations. Such abstract things go right by the conscious mind, so you can experience lasting change more effectively, without the usual self-sabotage that goes with "just trying real hard" or whatever people normally do.

      I'm thinking of reading this book to start, and going forwards from there.

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      I wish I knew about it, it also interests me.
      You should buy me a copy of that book too and mail it too me
      This shit never happens to me

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      I was interested by it also. Practitioners practice magic, occult arts. They don't believe in karma or that there are any consequences for any black magick they do (unlike pagans/wiccans).
      I don't really know much else about it.

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      The only big problem with that is that it's easy to get lost in how stuff works in the universe, so it starts getting harder to make someone not disagree with what you're saying.


      Not exactly a big deal though.
      "Always refreshing."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Replicon View Post
      I'm quickly becoming fascinated with rituals, sigils, symbology and all that good stuff. Are there any practitioners here that can give me some insight into this stuff? What's your story? How did you get started? What's your overall philosophy?
      All magic is possible because life is a dream. Magic just takes advantage of the rules of dream control and applies them to real life. The types of magic you mentioned deal mostly with archetypes and emotions.

      I explain how most types of magic work here: http://dreamviews.com/community/show...&postcount=281

      If you're going to be doing experiments with this stuff, let me know what you're up to and I might be able to help your efforts become more productive.
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      Can you do magic The Cusp or are you just talking out of your ass? If you can really do magic, what kind of tricks can you do?
      "Reject common sense to make the impossible possible." -Kamina

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      Quote Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba View Post
      Can you do magic The Cusp or are you just talking out of your ass? If you can really do magic, what kind of tricks can you do?
      He can't answer you..because life is a dream and in dreams when you read something twice it changes what it says, so after he read what you wrote a second time he was no longer reading what you wrote.
      Also he doesn't like trees.
      Do not try and bend the dream. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realise the truth.
      There is no dream.
      Then you'll see, that it is not the dream that bends, it is only yourself.

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      First of all, I have nothing against trees. It's the trees that don't like me.

      Yes I can do magic, but I hardly use it for tricks. Mostly for getting girls, jobs, and money. You know, practical stuff. I don't practice highly ritualized magic, although I am familiar with how it works.

      Not saying I'm good at it. Most of the time I don't even remember that i can do it, much like being lucid.

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      I suggest practicing magic in dreams.
      ya gwan fok wid de Baron? ye gotta nodda ting comin. (Formerly known as Baking Nomad.)

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      Quote Originally Posted by The Cusp View Post
      First of all, I have nothing against trees. It's the trees that don't like me.

      Yes I can do magic, but I hardly use it for tricks. Mostly for getting girls, jobs, and money. You know, practical stuff. I don't practice highly ritualized magic, although I am familiar with how it works.

      Not saying I'm good at it. Most of the time I don't even remember that i can do it, much like being lucid.
      Ah thats cool, how do you use magic to get girls? Also, I read your post on magic, so according to you magic basically comes down to playing with archetypes?
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      Quote Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba View Post
      Ah thats cool, how do you use magic to get girls?
      It's The Secret really, know what you want, stay focused, be specific. I don't use it to just get girl, I'm very specific, I use it to get girls who do certain things in bed.

      It's hard to explain, because like I said, I don't ritualize it. But it's not like I go out and say I want a girl now and get one. I construct what I want, hold onto it, and they fall into my lap when I least expect it. Usually when I'm totally unprepared for it.

      The best use I've put it to is with work. I haven't had a real job in over 6 months, I work when I feel like it, and I just keep making more and more money. I don't have to do an exhaustive job search, just put a token add on kijiji, or talk to a couple of people, and that's all it takes to set my magic in motion. The intent is more important than the method, at least for my non ritualized style.

      Maybe it's just that I've freed myself of the traditional views of what a job is, thinking outside the box allows for new modes of operation when you don't allow any one archetype to become your ruler.



      Quote Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba View Post
      so according to you magic basically comes down to playing with archetypes?
      No, magic is applying dream control to RL. Archetypes are but one of 4 rules to dream control. But actually yes, since the other three rules deal with archetypes.

      Magic is both miraculous and completely unremarkable at the same time. It's so simple it's not magic at all, yet that simplicity is beautiful geneus, and the things it allows you to do make it miraculous. It exists in both states at once. The trick to using magic is to be able see both sides at once, instead of just believing one side is absolute.

      Well defined arcehtypes provide excellent reiabilty and control when used properly in dreams. Yet they can also imprison you and trap you within their boundaries. They are a blessing and a curse, a polarized paradox that you learn to use through balancing it and tipping the scales where necessary.

      The "Brain Flooder" program someone made that flashes images really fast could be considered magical, and is very like a voodoo curse fetish.
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      it's magick not magic.

      Magic being the sleight of hand variety.

      What is it specifically that you want to know?

      And yes...as others have mentioned. Intent is the key.
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      Quote Originally Posted by baccuss View Post
      it's magick not magic.

      Magic being the sleight of hand variety.

      What is it specifically that you want to know?

      And yes...as others have mentioned. Intent is the key.
      That is Aliester Crowley's spelling, I believe. But not the universal spelling.
      I think magik also has similarities with hypnosis and NLP

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      Hello,

      I dont normally post in BD much but thought I would on this occasion.

      I have a huge esoteric and occult library. This includes the classic grimoires, the works of aggripa, Levi, Peter De Abano, Crowley, Regardie, Grant, Dee, etc.

      I also have a large selection of works by the Chaotes.

      I am going to disagree with many of the reviewers on Amazon. I have not read this book and so I cant trash or praise it. But having read the reviews there are some things I disagree with.

      Many of the reviews state that it is an all in one book that does away with all of the psychology and theory.

      Chaos is about breaking the rules. But to break the rules you first really should know what the rules are and understand them. The Chaotes built on the work of Crowley's Thelema and the preceding hermetic and rosicrucian methods. They also based vast chunks of the new system around Austin Osman Spare. Spare is the "father" of sigilization.

      One of the "standards" of the western occult tradition is to first "know thyself!". The next step is to improve yourself to arrive at the state of "Myself perfected". This is known as the Great Work. This means that "Magick" is trancandental in nature. It is about causing change in self - addressing your weaknesses - control of ego, emotion and desires - and focusing your will - acheiving alternate states of conciousness. Therefore the occult is not about waving a magic wand around with light and fire shooting out of it a la Harry Potter.

      Let me give you an example......

      Before I learned about LDing and WILDing I acheived what I then called "Astral Projection" by use of ritual and sigils. CRowley was of course publishing instructions on how to Astral Project over 100 years ago in his publicly available Equniox periodical. Sigils are an excellent way to program the subconcious to cause change - within self. Consider them a very powerful form of affirmation. The occult terminology is now of course arcane and archaic, but the experience is the same and the methods work.

      Sadly there are many who think that they can win the lotto by making a sigil and then wanking over it - they soon get disheartend and give up after they fail to win mega millions the next few weekend (no big surprise right?!?! - or where are all the all powerful magician millionaires???). Also sadly there are authors who make money by producing books that make these promises.

      If you have an interest in Chaos then I would start with those that actually started the whole movement back in the 1980's. Those who were practiced in Thelema, Hermetics and the Golden Dawn. All the below are easily available on amazon:

      Liber Null & Psychonaut - Peter J Carrol
      Condensed Choas - Phil Hines
      Book Of Results - Ray Sherwin


      If you can get any works by Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth or a copy of the out of print Practical Sigil Magick - Frater U.D. Then these are worth a read also.

      The works of Austin Osman Spare are worth buying also - he did after all pretty much start the whole thing.

      I would also highly recommend books by the following Psyhconauts. They discuss the principles of psychology that underlies Chaos and the occult in general:

      Prometheus Rising - Roger Anton Wilson
      The Psyhcopaths Bible - Christopher hyatt
      Undoing Yourself - Christopher Hyatt
      To Lie is Human - Christopher Hyatt

      Also you should have a copy of Crowley's Book 4 - Liber ABA. Its generally considered to be the most important occult work of all time. Nobody knew more about trancandental meditation, trance states, controling the ego, etc than Crowley.

      The book you link to is probably fine - but as one review said - it might be just another dumbed down fluffy "learn to do magic quick and get girls and money" type book for the spotty, nerdy and gullible.
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      This Chos Majoc stuff looks interesting so far....I have a feeling this is what the PTB do NOT want us to see..probably because they have been using it themselves lol

      But it all sounds the same...law of attraction and focusing on intent. But with sigils, I think it says something like you charge the "symbol" with the intent or something to that extent.

      It's interesting. Sounds like a faster way for the law of attraction to work. It's not magic..it's just changing your belief system basically. I've always thought that reality is made by shared beliefs.

      I think this is the type of stuff John Todd referred to as "witchcraft". If the Illuminati can have this knowledge SO CAN WE! Fuck them.
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      SUCCESS

      I made a sigil a couple of days ago. I asked for these new pair of shoes from this website, to obtain $100, and for something else I can't remember. I've also been visualizing about the car I want using the law of attraction.

      I guess the magic went into overdrive because yesterday, when I checked the mail, I got a letter from unemployment commission. I'm getting unemployment benefits. THEY ARE PAYING ME FOR THE ENTIRE TIME SINCE I LOST MY LAST JOB, and their paying me ALL THE WAY UNTIL 12/19/2009

      Tomorrow I'm getting a unemployment debit card with "$1,165.00" dollars, as well as $56 a week PLUS $25 more dollars a week ( the 25 is from the stimulus package thingy )

      But the shocker is that I DID NOT EVEN APPLY for unemployment. This is no coincidence. It just came in the mail!! They say that you get your results from sigil in either 3 days, 3 weeks, or 3 months depending on the desire.

      Sigil magic works! The CUSP I got it to work!

      Read this thread.

      http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread355040/pg1

      I also asked to get my girls car fixed for cheap. I guess I have to wait a couple more days for that, because I just asked for that yesterday.

      If you don't believe just read that thread above in the link I provided. Lots of people have had successful results.

      My mother said this was the hand of God lol.
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      hmm, interesting, so could this be used to, say, cure acne? Im actually being serious
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      Congrats. These things take time, and the hardest part is not giving up and forgetting about it after the first couple of days.

      But next time think big bucks.

      Quote Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD View Post
      I also asked to get my girls car fixed for cheap. I guess I have to wait a couple more days for that, because I just asked for that yesterday.
      That's actually an easy one to manifest. I usually just mention it casually in conversation a couple of times, and I find what I heed. This one might happen quicker now that you're riding the high from your previous success.

      Quote Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD View Post
      My mother said this was the hand of God lol.
      Thou art God.
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      I find the easiest way to forget about the sigil is to make like 3 or 4 different sigils. And change them separately..that way you actually forget what each sigil means but the subconscious recognizes symbols, so it remembers the intent.

      Thou art God.
      All of us are God..there is no one god. God isn't a person. It's also something that binds everything together in this world that we can't see. Reiki.

      The cusp, I'm not high yet...I'll be blitz when I get this thing in the mail today

      There are some interesting motivational stories on abovetopsecret thread that I linked. One guy got a wii and a laptop that he wanted. Someone else got a replacement ipod that her son lost.

      Imagine what we could do if everyone worked on a sigil together. What we could change. We should do some good in the world also and not just get what WE want. You feel my cusp?
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      Cool! Looks like this thread magically picked up recently (I just now looked at my old threads for some other reason).

      I've been lately getting more into meditation and Huna, but going through this thread has made me want to go back to Sigils. I found a copy of Practical Sigil Magic online, and have started going through it.

      The Cusp, I'd love to read more about your own practice. It seems you've got a good grasp of the idea that you don't need ancient daggers and such things - that those things were meaningful BACK THEN, and now, we can have more modern symbols. I went through your other thread, which had lots of interesting information, but what of those things do you incorporate into your practice, and how? And I'd also be delighted if you could talk more about your experience in building up to where you are now.

      I want to use these sorts of things more for deep personal change (internalizing useful beliefs, etc.) than anything else. I imagine that's the more "teach a man to fish" approach, rather than asking/wishing for specific things. That comes after.

      It seems that all sorts of systems (be they magick, prayer, meditation, etc.) seem to follow a formula like: Intent + Desire + Symbol (nonverbal image of what you want) + Focus = manifestation.

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      Replicon I also have "Practicing Sigil Magic", I kinda skimmed it but I got the basic idea of how it works.

      Actually I learned it easier online than reading from the book. The book just makes it overly complicated. It's not complicated..really.

      The subconscious recognizes symbols easier than letters, because symbols are "holistic". Get into a heightened state of awareness and the symbol is burned into the subconscious. Forget about the sigil and go about your day so the conscious mind doesn't force the intention down.

      I've made about 6 or 7 sigils already. And I have to wait a couple of days because my nuts are like dry....

      the more powerful the orgasm/climax the faster it works.

      The McDonalds M is a sigil.
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      So you jerk off over a sigil? Lol, so what is the relation between orgasming and magic? I've heard about this a lot before, but I don't get it..
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      Quote Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba View Post
      So you jerk off over a sigil? Lol, so what is the relation between orgasming and magic? I've heard about this a lot before, but I don't get it..
      The way I heard it, it's mainly about being in an altered state, and technically a strong orgasm is an altered state. Wanking is definitely not the only way to charge a sigil, as it were. It's just the most popular, cause... I guess hey, kill 2 birds with one stone.

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      The wanking is just a way to maximize your emotional output. It's strong emotions that charge sigils the best. Orgasm just happens to have a useful intensity to it.

      Quote Originally Posted by Replicon View Post
      The Cusp, I'd love to read more about your own practice.
      I could give specific examples of things I do, but those would be as useless to other people as all the lame control techniques people post about. Like one guy said a good way to control stuff in dreams is to use his cell phone. That's his highly personal archetype. Probably wouldn't work for a person like me who doesn't even carry around a cell phone.

      But I'll give one specific example. I had quit my job, had no income, and didn't want to lose my apartment. My apt was messy, so I cleaned the place with the intent that I was getting it ready to stay there a long time. A lot of my cleaning was preparing for future stuff. With that "magical" act done, everything fell into place, and I got to keep my swingin' bachelor pad.
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      Quote Originally Posted by The Cusp View Post
      The wanking is just a way to maximize your emotional output. It's strong emotions that charge sigils the best. Orgasm just happens to have a useful intensity to it.
      Yes. I wank it to a sigil. That's "charging" the sigil. It works. The whole point is to get into the "Gnosis" state. Some people do this with psychedelics, some meditate. You can even do it when you are in a state of great pain.

      It works as long as a strong emotion occurs, because when you exhibit a strong emotion, it vibrates you closer to the spirit world. The real you.

      I figure the best way to do this is showing a strong "love" or "happiness" emotion like the law of attraction.

      I WOULD look at a sigil when I climax with a female during sex, but I'm not sure how that would look me fucking my girl and me staring at a piece of paper. Maybe I could just tape the sigil to her back, LOL
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