Again, it comes down to interpretation. |
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Not being able to do no-doingness? What in the #$@* are you talking about? I think you might be confusing what I believe and what the Bible says. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Again, it comes down to interpretation. |
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This shit never happens to me
I see what you mean, but I still don't agree. If God wrote the Bible, then he should have been as specific as he needed to be, like any good legislator. The way it is written does not mention exceptions. If ther are exceptions and the readers are just supposed to assume that, then the book is not perfectly written. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Ha I was just scrolling through the forums and I thought I saw a thread called 'Can God create a cock so big...' |
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[QUOTE=Universal Mind;1159793If you don't like such things, then turn on the television and try to find Robert Tilton. I'm sure he won't express any disagreement with your core beliefs.[/QUOTE] |
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Now the whole world stands on the brink, staring down into bloody hell, all those liberals and intellectuals and smooth-talkers...
We should have done this as men. Not with fire.
But if the only restriction is his desire to not let himself lift it and he is still able to call back the power he requires to lift it, then he isn't exactly unable to lift it. Saying he doesn't have the power right now because he keeps himself from using it all is not a restriction if at any time he can simply will that power back and lift the rock. The only thing really preventing himself from lifting the rock is his desire to not lift it in that case. That'd be like saying it was impossible for you to make any phone calls because you unplugged your telephone. Impossible as long as the phone remains unplugged, sure, but as long as you have the ability to plug it back in and dial, it's within your power. |
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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Forgive me if this is not entirely related to the "can God contradict himself?" or "bible=/=fax from heaven" discussion. |
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The Emperor Wears No Clothes: The book that everyone needs to read."If the words "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."- Terence McKenna
And he can change or simply overcome them at any time supposing that he's all-powerful. Yes, it is his will. You basically said he can choose to not be able to lift the rock if he chooses to put himself in a circumstance where he is unable to lift the rock. As long as he has the ability to choose to take himself out of that circumstance there is nothing but his will preventing him from actually lifting the rock. How can you say he's really trying to lift the rock when he specifically puts himself in a situation that is designed to make it so that he can't lift the rock and yet has the ability to take himself out of that situation at any time and use his magic to lift the rock? Supposing that he actually wanted to lift the rock (I.E. that it was his actual will for the rock to be lifted) he'd need only get out of that situation, which he can. There is nothing but his will which stops him from doing that. |
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You are still just speaking gibberish. I can ask, can god do cheese? No, that sentence makes no sense. So god can not do cheese, there for god isn't all powerful. There is something he can not do, he can not do cheese. That is basically the kind of argument you are making. All rational and logical people know you are not actually saying anything, you just sound like you are. |
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Er, no, that's not analogous. |
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It is now. example: Mark75 cheesed all over Noogah's argument. |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
God can make a rock so big he couldn't lift it. |
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Don't ever assume my sarcasm is a reflection of negative emotion. I love these debates. I also didn't call you stupid. Thanks for loving my thread about God's omnipresence, if that's what you're talking about. However, I said that if God is everywhere then his entire body exists in all possible sizes in all places, so his penis is up your ass and his balls are in your mouth. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Uh...do you mean to say he supported it? Whatever. This is getting entirely to strange. |
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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I simplified your claim - the claim in which you say something with a blanket statement has to contradict itself in order for it to be valid. Gee it still sounds bad. Hahaha! If something is outside Reality for example, you still think it should be doable by God for Him to be Omnipotent, whereas Omnipotence would not actually allow it from the beginning. You'd go on to say that therefore it is not Omnipotence, but that is your own category error. Contexts and key words are very important. |
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