Originally Posted by kingerman
Great,so now you are a Buddhist, are you already on your path to enlightenment.Meditating and stuff because if you are good for you.Finally settled in something that has salvation attained through insight into the ultimate nature of reality.
I didn't say I'm a Buddhist. I said I find reincarnation more likely than the whole heaven/hell thing. It's more elegant. I don't find it that likely either. I do enjoy reading Buddhist scriptures though and take the Buddhas own advice to take what works for me and leave the rest. Now that is a confident religion.
Originally Posted by kingerman
The word “hell” is used 54 times in the Bible. It is translated from several different words with various meanings.
Well could you explain what you think hell is? it seems to be fairly critical to your beliefs since you use it as a reason to believe as you do.
Originally Posted by kingerman
God is sinless and sin cannot survive in the presence of God. So if a sinner was to be exposed to God the sinner would not survive.
God gave us Jesus as a sacrifice for our sin, he was made to be sin for us, so when God looks at people who have accepted Jesus as a sacrifice for their sins, those people are not annihilated because in essence their sin is no more. So they survive their encounter with the Holy God.
Everyone is or will be given a chance to accept Jesus as a sacrifice for their sin.
Ok, so a 'sinless person' cannot survive an encounter with god. Is god obligated to meet the "sinful people". Can't he just let them be?
Originally Posted by kingerman
It's really not a matter of "being good" its a matter of accepting Jesus Christ as your savior from sin, then lots of other stuff happens after that to change your heart with the results that you appear good to other people, but it's really not that "being good," that gets you to heaven, it's that Jesus will now vouch for you because you belong to Him.
I didn't say anything about being good. I said something about not causing harm to another. Is god above cariing about that? It's really just some good old boys club?
Originally Posted by kingerman
As a result of the fall of our first parents, we became "dis-graced" people, our nature changed and now we inherit a slightly fallen nature. Concupiscence (the tinder for sin) entered the world when Adam and Eve disobeyed God's command.
Are you advocating Larmarkian evolution? Even if a giraffe managed to stretch its neck, this wouldn't be transferred to its children, you know?
Originally Posted by kingerman
Great,so now you are a Buddhist, are you already on your path to enlightenment.Meditating and stuff because if you are good for you.Finally settled in something that has salvation attained through insight into the ultimate nature of reality.
I didn't say I'm a Buddhist. I said I find reincarnation more likely than the whole heaven/hell thing. It's more elegant. I don't find it that likely either. I do enjoy reading Buddhist scriptures though and take the Buddhas own advice to take what works for me and leave the rest. Now that is a confident religion.
Originally Posted by kingerman
The word “hell” is used 54 times in the Bible. It is translated from several different words with various meanings.
Well could you explain what you think hell is? it seems to be fairly critical to your beliefs since you use it as a reason to believe as you do.
Originally Posted by kingerman
God is sinless and sin cannot survive in the presence of God. So if a sinner was to be exposed to God the sinner would not survive.
God gave us Jesus as a sacrifice for our sin, he was made to be sin for us, so when God looks at people who have accepted Jesus as a sacrifice for their sins, those people are not annihilated because in essence their sin is no more. So they survive their encounter with the Holy God.
Everyone is or will be given a chance to accept Jesus as a sacrifice for their sin.
Ok, so a 'sinless person' cannot survive an encounter with god. Is god obligated to meet the "sinful people". Can't he just let them be?
Originally Posted by kingerman
It's really not a matter of "being good" its a matter of accepting Jesus Christ as your savior from sin, then lots of other stuff happens after that to change your heart with the results that you appear good to other people, but it's really not that "being good," that gets you to heaven, it's that Jesus will now vouch for you because you belong to Him.
I didn't say anything about being good. I said something about not causing harm to another. Is god above cariing about that? It's really just some good old boys club?
Originally Posted by kingerman
A baby has a selfish sin nature that it is born with. It doesn't have the knowledge, or ability, or experience, to be an obvious sinner - and besides, they look so cute.
But just wait till they can do a little more than gurgle and smile and cry. Soon you will see that just like everyone else, they want what they want, when they want it, and they don't care about what other people want if it interferes with what they want.
Then they get a little older and learn to talk. Then they tell a lie. Did anyone teach them how to tell lies? No, it's part of the sin nature. They will take things that they know belong to someone else, like a toy and act like it was theirs all along and complain when they can't have their way with another child's property.
See, it seems to me like everything that you described above is just the downside of being an ape. I don't see why thats so hard to understand. It seems like profound hubris to say that a chimpanzee can have every trait that you described above because it's a chimpanzee and that's just how apes are but, even with the knowledge that humans are apes, require some magical fairy tale to explain how humans came to have those traits.
It also seems harmful to me. I'll ask you again as you didn't answer last time. Don't you think that actually understanding how we actually got to have what you are calling 'original sin' is a better route to follow if we want to deal with its consequences than getting our answers from a book of fairy tales?
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