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      Quote Originally Posted by SomeDreamer View Post
      You know what... looking at all kingermans posts... it totally makes sense if he's a troll! Can't believe I didn't see that .__.
      He makes extraordinarily long, detailed posts. If he's a troll, he must have a problem. Either that or he copy&pastes most of his stuff. If he's a troll, he's learned to emulate a viciously close-minded, angry christian perfectly. If he's a troll, he's a good one.
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      He makes extraordinarily long, detailed posts. If he's a troll, he must have a problem. Either that or he copy&pastes most of his stuff. If he's a troll, he's learned to emulate a viciously close-minded, angry christian perfectly. If he's a troll, he's a good one.
      I think the long detailed posts you're reffering to is the copy/paste of articles :3 But you do make a very good point, if he's a troll, he's indeed a very talented one
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      Troll Definition:
      an internet user who sends inflammatory or provocative messages designed to elicit negative responses or start a flame-war. (As a fisherman trolls for an unsuspecting fish.) : Don't answer those silly messages. Some troll is just looking for an argument.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kingerman View Post
      So what constitutes evidence? What are you looking for?
      I think that question was asked of YOU. What do YOU need to make something
      as simple as evolution easier to grasp? We have observed genetic mutation. We
      have observed the phenomenon of natural selection as parts of species die off
      because of their ill-suited means of survival for their habitat. What evidence do
      you have for creation over evolution? A book with a thousand contradictions in
      it? Please, tell all of us, we WANT to know WHY you choose to believe in
      something that has zero evidence vs. that which has a lot of solid information
      in favor of.

      Quote Originally Posted by kingerman
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      The scientific method is a tool. There is no more 'belief' in science than there is
      belief in hammers or critical reasoning ability.
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      If you want to know you can try the search bar there's already threads like this.

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      As expected.

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      I spy either a troll or a lazy creationist...

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      Why don't you guys try it the other way round you go to another forum that has many christians and try to debate them.Then you will understand where i am coming from.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kingerman View Post
      Why don't you guys try it the other way round you go to another forum that has many christians and try to debate them.Then you will understand where i am coming from.
      Good idea. Could you direct me to any creationist forums you're a part of?
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      I don't know any.But you can try searching

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      People often say that they couldn't have come from a monkey, but I think that is because people imagine a human turning into a monkey right before them. The transistion happened over thousands of years it wasn't instant. People in this day and age aren't affected directly by those animals we evolved from.

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      There was a HUGE Creationist forum online up until lately when it was pulled off.
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      Noogah, we're still waiting:

      Quote Originally Posted by Noogah View Post
      Oh boy. I've got my work cut out for me.

      Fortunately though, it's the weekend. I am getting to this AFTER the weekend.

      Don't waste time telling me not to, because I won't be checking this thread until AFTER the weekend.

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      Evolution is "just a theory..." Gravity is also "just a theory." (Though one should mention that evolution has more independent strings of evidence than does the theory of gravity).

      Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evoluti...heory_and_fact
      A little more about that.

      Plus I don't understand how people can doubt evolution, as if you doubt evolution you doubt your own ability to perceive. What do you call it when traits change before your eyes over generations of organisms which mate rapidly? If you get a thousand fruit flies, and kill all the ones with red eyes, what do you call it when you end up with only white eyed ones after a couple of generations? Evolution. What do you call it when HIV positive patients have to go through a series of many different drugs to combat the rapidly EVOLVING disease inside of them. When a new drug is taken, the vast majority survive, but the ones that survive mate and make a drug-resistant variety.

      This right there is evolution. I don't see how it's possible to doubt that? Ultimately that's plain stupidity to deny that fact.

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      Quote Originally Posted by wasup View Post
      Evolution is "just a theory..." Gravity is also "just a theory." (Though one should mention that evolution has more independent strings of evidence than does the theory of gravity).
      Maybe it needs more lines of independent evidence because it's not true.


      Quote Originally Posted by wasup View Post
      Plus I don't understand how people can doubt evolution, as if you doubt evolution you doubt your own ability to perceive. What do you call it when traits change before your eyes over generations of organisms which mate rapidly? If you get a thousand fruit flies, and kill all the ones with red eyes, what do you call it when you end up with only white eyed ones after a couple of generations? Evolution. What do you call it when HIV positive patients have to go through a series of many different drugs to combat the rapidly EVOLVING disease inside of them. When a new drug is taken, the vast majority survive, but the ones that survive mate and make a drug-resistant variety.

      This right there is evolution. I don't see how it's possible to doubt that? Ultimately that's plain stupidity to deny that fact.
      Now you're just talking about adaptation. No problem with that. Of course that happens.
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      Now you're just talking about adaptation. No problem with that. Of course that happens.
      Dude, what do you think evolution is, anyway? It's mostly natural selection. Go look up the Hardy-Weinberg Principle...wait, let me do it and save you the hassle:

      A population can be considered evolving as long as at least ONE of the following does not hold true for that population.

      1. mutation is not occurring
      2. natural selection is not occurring
      3. the population is infinitely large
      4. all members of the population breed
      5. all mating is totally random
      6. everyone produces the same number of offspring
      7. there is no migration in or out of the population

      How is this different from adaptation? Something changes, the population adapts or goes extinct. Natural selection. Evolution. The alleles of the population change and grow to better suit its needs. It amasses different genes and more efficient mechanisms. Natural selection, if not synonymous with evolution, at least drives it. What more evidence do you need?

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      Quote Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned View Post
      Maybe it needs more lines of independent evidence because it's not true.
      You're taking the piss out of us right?

      As for the creationists, try this video out and tell me where your objection lies.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B9IV...eature=related

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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      This keeps coming up so I made a thread for it.

      What evidence do you need to see to see that evolution is factual?

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      I'll bite at this one and bring up to very simple but fundamental points that I have with Neo-Darwinism.

      • Show that Abiogenesis is fact. (although you're probably going to say this has nothing to do with evolution. However, prove that it's fact anyway.)
      • Bridge the Big Gap between between the early Cambrian era and the Ordovician period.

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      Nobody can prove that 'natural abiogenesis' happened at the moment (although it's an ongoing area of research), but it seems like a rather natural assumption based on the facts that

      - no supernatural events have ever been observed
      - looking back through time life tends to get much simpler so it is natural to think about this process going back to the beginning of life
      - experiments such as the Miller-Urey experiment show that the required organic compounds would form spontaneously in Earth's prehistoric climate.

      I don't know anything about the Big Gap but I don't see how it could negate the existence of the thousands of other species which clearly evolved over the past 4bn years according to the fossil record.

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      Oh, am I required to respond everytime O'nus makes a post?

      If that's the case, then I am leaving R/S

      Fortunately, that is not the case.

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      Noogah, we're still waiting:
      Oh? Well apparently you don't care about it very much. Because if you had spent ten seconds to look at the next page, you would have seen that I politely dropped out.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ne-yo View Post
      [*]Show that Abiogenesis is fact. (although you're probably going to say this has nothing to do with evolution. However, prove that it's fact anyway.)
      Firstly, Abiogenesis is not part of evolution.

      Secondly, no one knows it as factual.

      However, this may help with the understanding. It is my most posted video on DV by far:



      [*]Bridge the Big Gap between between the early Cambrian era and the Ordovician period.
      What gap are you talking about? What specifically do you have an issue with understanding here?

      Does this help:

      "The Ordovician period started at a major extinction event called the Cambrian-Ordovician extinction events some time about 488.3 ± 1.7 Ma (million years ago), and lasted for about 44.6 million years. It ended with another major extinction event about 443.7 ± 1.5 Ma (ICS, 2004) that wiped out 60% of marine genera. Melott et al. (2006) suggested a ten-second gamma ray burst could have destroyed the ozone layer and exposed terrestrial and marine surface-dwelling life to deadly radiation, but most scientists agree that extinction events are complex with multiple causes"

      Perhaps you could be a little more specific.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Noogah View Post
      Oh? Well apparently you don't care about it very much. Because if you had spent ten seconds to look at the next page, you would have seen that I politely dropped out.
      Can't say that I'm surprised at all. Are you going to keep running your entire life? How cowardly.

      And there's no post of yours in that thread that I can see after mine that's relevant.

      Quote Originally Posted by Noogah View Post
      Oh, and now that the weekends over, I didn't lie.

      I didn't say that I wouldn't post, I said I wouldn't post here.

      I'll get to this soon.
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