Atheism leads to Immoral Behavior

**kingerman** · 11-03-2009 04:12 AM

According to many Atheists,atheism doesn't lead to immoral behavior.In fact one can be an atheist and still be morally responsible.However whether atheism encourages or discourages ethical or moral behavior can be seen.The Bible teaches values like honesty, love, forgiveness, sexual fidelity, patience, generosity and much more.It discourage negative behaviors such as fornication, profanity, gambling, gossiping, retaliation, drunkenness, and lying.

A a random sample of 1003 adults were surveyed in May, 2008 by The Barna Group for their participation in a number of negative behaviors within the previous week. The results showed that there were vast differences in the behaviors of evangelicals compared to agnostics/atheists.

http://barna.org/barna-update/articl...-with-morality

Moral Behaviors of Evangelicals vs. Atheists

Sin Evangelicals Atheists
Viewing pornography 12% 50%
Profanity in public 16% 60%
Gambling 2% 7%
Gossiping 4% 34%
Sex with non-spouse 3% 7%
Retaliation 7% 11%
Drunkenness 0.5% 33%
Lying 1% 7%
Average 6% 29%

These results show that atheists/agnostics participate in morally questionable behaviors to a much greater degree than evangelical Christians

If human behavior were merely a combination of genes and biochemistry, then beliefs would have no effect on moral choices.However, recent studies demonstrate exactly how differently these groups interpret what is moral/immoral

Although, in theory, atheists can lead moral lives, the absence of an absolute moral foundation probably leads to moral drifting over time. This phenomenon also occurs in Christians who abandon church and Christian fellowship.It seems unlikely that there are genetic or other demographic factors that account for the differences in behavior.

Still think Atheism Doesn't Lead to Immoral Behavior?

**♥Mark** · 11-03-2009 04:23 AM

No it doesn't. Go away.

**mini0991** · 11-03-2009 04:30 AM

Why are things that don't hurt anyone "sins"? Why are things like fornication and homosexuality "sins"? And "God said so" is not a valid anwser. Go.

**kingerman** · 11-03-2009 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mark75

No it doesn't. Go away.

Well i didn't made the survey, The Barna Group did so if you are ignorant to truths then that's your problem.

**♥Mark** · 11-03-2009 05:07 AM

OMG respect my beliefs!!!

**Oneironaut Zero** · 11-03-2009 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by kingerman

Well i didn't made the survey, The Barna Group did so if you are ignorant to truths then that's your problem.

The "truths" is that that entire survey is one-sided.

The categories are listed as "immoral", because they are listed through the eyes of the evangelicals.

Gambling, profanity in public, drunkenness, viewing pornography, etc...none of this is intrinsically "immoral". They are just listed as such because it is an evangelical's survey.

Biased survey is biased.

**slayer** · 11-03-2009 05:18 AM

Lying 1% 7%

What?

**Licity** · 11-03-2009 05:20 AM

In the eyes of the atheist, the evangelicals had the immoral behavior...

**Abra** · 11-03-2009 05:24 AM

These results show that atheists/agnostics participate in morally questionable behaviors to a much greater degree than evangelical Christians

Those results show that atheists are more likely to report that they participate in "morally questionable*" behaviors.

*Morally questionable, being defined by what the church says. Ass cunt fuck piss doesn't hurt anyone else if I stubbed my toe at the park.

**evildoctor** · 11-03-2009 05:26 AM

Kingerman,

You are using the word "morals" to described the screwed up view point of a xtian fundie.

FORNICATION IS NOT A SIN (unless you're a sad little xtian). Lying is an important social skill. Drinking is good. Retaliation is a right when wronged. Gossiping, pnography et al - well the individual must do what they will.

I beleive we have no right but to enjoy life to the full. I personally want to spend my life inserting bits of myself into as many people as humanly possible before I die. Your god does not exist, your religion is a fail and you are wasting your life following a dumb code laid down by a bunch of bronze age towel heads.

Only xtians are so afraid of living that they needed to invent "origional sin" and then wallow joylessly in their sin.

There is no sin - other than to pass up every possible experience life has to offer.

I couldnt possibly care less what you or any other fundie think are "negative behaviors". What you think is bad I think of as gooooooooood.

Here is the moral code I make a point to live every day of my life:

1. Man has the right to live by his own law--
to live in the way that he wills to do:
to work as he will:
to play as he will:
to rest as he will:
to die when and how he will.

2. Man has the right to eat what he will:
to drink what he will:
to dwell where he will:
to move as he will on the face of the earth.

3. Man has the right to think what he will:
to speak what he will:
to write what he will:
to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will:
to dress as he will.

4. Man has the right to love as he will:--
"take your fill and will of love as ye will,
when, where, and with whom ye will."

5. Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights.

**kingerman** · 11-03-2009 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by evildoctor

Here is the moral code I make a point to live every day of my life:

Are those from the Satanic Bible?

**evildoctor** · 11-03-2009 06:04 AM

No way!

Lavey's satanic bible has 11 commandments.

What I posted was purely a manifesto on the rights of man. It is from a document called Liber OZ.

**davej** · 11-03-2009 07:08 AM

I said I would never come here again but after long discussions with my preacher and a lot of prayer, i felt that I should return, for my brothers and sisters through Christ, to try to lift them up as they deal with those that try to put them down in here.

With all due respect Kingerman, I have to say that I don't know how much I believe in this study. I think it could be a little off due to the fact that if Christians are involved in immoral behavior they will not admit it. I also feel that even if you aren't a Christian, you can still be a good person.

Also, another thing that kind of struck me funny was this quote by Mark75

OMG respect my beliefs!!!

You do not respect our beliefs so why should we respect yours? Even though I have shown nothing but respect of your beliefs in the past, MOST of you have gone out of your way to disrespect my beliefs and other Christian's beliefs in this forum.

Your god does not exist, your religion is a fail and you are wasting your life following a dumb code laid down by a bunch of bronze age towel heads.

Please inform me Evildoctor of how I am waisiting my life by being a Christian. My life is wonderful and I wouldn't trade it for anyone else's.

**Mes Tarrant** · 11-03-2009 07:10 AM

If I understand Mark75 correctly, he/she/it was being sarcastic.

**davej** · 11-03-2009 07:18 AM

If you understood me correctly, I was making a point.

**Mes Tarrant** · 11-03-2009 08:11 AM

Heh!

Yes yes...

**davej** · 11-03-2009 08:26 AM

**Indecent Exposure** · 11-03-2009 08:32 AM

After you posted that absolute bullshit, people are gping to question its validity for a number of reasons, mainly the fact that the study pulls its ideas of morality from right up its metaphorical ass. Why is gambling immoral? Why is prostitution immoral? But your not going to reply to any of them concerns or even pretend to engage in a debate, because you are a troll that posts absurd topics and then disappears.

**davej** · 11-03-2009 08:43 AM

Imran, it all depends on who you ask. If you ask an athiest if it is immoral, they are more then likely going to say no, if you ask a Chistian then they are going to say yes. It depends on who you ask.

**Bonsay** · 11-03-2009 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by kingerman

Still think Atheism Doesn't Lead to Immoral Behavior?

None of those things are immoral. Your christian research group fails. If you want to see immoral, read the bible.

**Baron Samedi** · 11-03-2009 09:28 AM

Viewing pornography 12% 50%
Profanity in public 16% 60%
Gambling 2% 7%
Gossiping 4% 34%
Sex with non-spouse 3% 7%
Retaliation 7% 11%
Drunkenness 0.5% 33%
Lying 1% 7%
Average 6% 29%

Haha. What about pride? What about a spirit of haughtiness and superiority?

**Indecent Exposure** · 11-03-2009 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by davej

Imran, it all depends on who you ask. If you ask an athiest if it is immoral, they are more then likely going to say no, if you ask a Chistian then they are going to say yes. It depends on who you ask.

And? This was exactly my point. You don't convince atheists that atheism leads to immorality by using Christian views of morality. It defeats the purpose. You are using the book to justify the book.

**sonicmstr** · 11-03-2009 09:53 AM

this information is no way possible according to you believers we cant cheat on who we married because we never got "married" there was no pastor marrying us. but anyway this seems to prove that atheists are more honest than believers. also can you please tell me how retaliation is bad i mean, someone did something to you first.

**davej** · 11-03-2009 10:00 AM

You don't convince atheists that atheism leads to immorality by using Christian views of morality. It defeats the purpose. You are using the book to justify the book.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything LOL... Not once have i tried to force anyone on here to believe in what i believe in.

**Techno** · 11-03-2009 10:08 AM

(Im)morality is defined by an individual, and not everyone is completely honest when it comes to surveys. The survey is utter bull crap with or without its flawed statistics.

Edit: This thread is getting pretty rowdy pretty fast. Inb4lock?

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