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      Believers who hear the truth

      As Gods servants it's our honor to live in the light and truth. With all our heart we serve the Lord gladly. True followers who can listen carefully know that wisdom is more precious than gold or silver. So here I give testimony to the truth and inspired from Christ and from his father I teach. I would be glad to assist anyone who has genuine questions.

      We know it is foolish to argue with unbelievers. Including many who are on this site. We are slaves to righteousness. Dead to mistakes but alive with Christ. We stay humble and don't use foul language. We know to love our enemies and forgive those who persecute us. We Consider ourselves fortunate when all kinds of trials come our way. For we know that when our faith succeeds in facing such trials the result is the ability to endure.

      The message about Christ's death on the cross is nonsense to those who are being lost. But for those who are being saved it's gods power.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Praise View Post
      We know it is foolish to argue with unbelievers. Including many who are on this site. We are slaves to righteousness. Dead to mistakes but alive with Christ. We stay humble and don't use foul language. We know to love our enemies and forgive those who persecute us. We Consider ourselves fortunate when all kinds of trials come our way. For we know that when our faith succeeds in facing such trials the result is the ability to endure.
      We are Christ; you will be assimilated.
      If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama



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      Welcome praise! Glad to have you here. be careful, some will try to beat up on you around here.
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      Oh dear Christ...
      This space is reserved for signature text. A signature goes here. A signature is static combination of words at the end of a post. This is not a signature. Its a signature placeholder. One day my signature will go here.

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      Shouldn't unbelievers be nonbelievers?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Praise View Post
      The message about Christ's death on the cross is nonsense to those who are being lost.
      You know, it's really not that ridiculous. Usually it's because fundamentalists plaster the Gospels with their own assumed interpretations. That's what puts people off.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Praise View Post
      As Gods servants it's our honor to live in the light and truth. With all our heart we serve the Lord gladly.
      As a wise man once said on the subject of xtians and their deep seated need to belittle themselves before their god of love/wrath/mercy/vengance/...

      "The Slaves shall serve"

      Now seeing as this is a forum dedicated to the science and art of Lucid Dreaming, mayhap your first post should have been in the LD section.......

      ......... Or are we to assume you are yet another sad little internet evangelist desperately in need of a flock to save, thereby earning brownie points to be bartered for an extra shiny harp and a seat on one of the better clouds?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Idolfan View Post
      You know, it's really not that ridiculous. Usually it's because fundamentalists plaster the Gospels with their own assumed interpretations. That's what puts people off.
      Not, quite the opposite. It is absolute nonsense. God was angry with the state of the world so he gave us his son in the form of a Jewish Rabbi, this man preached about being God's son, put demons into pigs and turned wine into water. The Pharisees wren't happy because they didn't want demon pigs, so they put him on a cross with the help of Jesus' friend Judas, a couple of days later Jesus came back from the dead but didn't reveal himself to anybody but his closest friends. Then he fucked off again, the end. And that's just the new testament.
      "...You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world..." - Terence McKenna

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      Welcome to Dreamviews.

      I was wondering what you would say truth is? You say you hear it, but please tell me what it is.
      You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Praise View Post
      With all our heart we serve the Lord gladly.
      Why?
      - Are you an idiot?
      - No sir, I'm a dreamer.

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      Quote Originally Posted by imran_p View Post
      Not, quite the opposite. It is absolute nonsense. God was angry with the state of the world so he gave us his son in the form of a Jewish Rabbi, this man preached about being God's son, put demons into pigs and turned wine into water. The Pharisees wren't happy because they didn't want demon pigs, so they put him on a cross with the help of Jesus' friend Judas, a couple of days later Jesus came back from the dead but didn't reveal himself to anybody but his closest friends. Then he fucked off again, the end. And that's just the new testament.
      I would buy it if Christ were some sort of template or as the Christians say 'firstfruit' in the creation of a higher subjective plane. The entire parable of the Jesus story is about overcoming death. Jesus is certainly not the first person to have been reported to be resurrected, but if he was the first in reality by whatever supernatural means (supernatural meaning simply that which is natural but we don't understand), then he would be the first to secure where others go after they die.

      This, plus what is said in the bible, makes it clear that Jesus actually created hell. So there's a dilemma for you Christians.

      Of course, this is all just speculation. I don't know if Christ was resurrected and I will never claim to know, like a Christian, because that is self deceptive.
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      Are you saying,
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      Thank you for the welcome.

      So far we have two questions
      *Why serve the lord gladly with all ones heart.
      *What is truth


      Here's an opportunity for discussion. I will not bother to answer these questions unless they have first been discussed.

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      A "true follower" cannot exist

      He who would be as such simply steps out of the way

      Existing hence forth as a mere framework

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      Quote Originally Posted by Praise View Post
      Thank you for the welcome.

      So far we have two questions
      *Why serve the lord gladly with all ones heart.
      *What is truth


      Here's an opportunity for discussion. I will not bother to answer these questions unless they have first been discussed.
      *There is no god, so you don't have to.
      *Truth (subjective, within a society), lies only in what can be sensed with one of the five senses and verified.


      Personally, I see your avoidance of answering questions as laziness (and perhaps a lack of confidence).
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      Quote Originally Posted by Praise View Post
      1) Why serve the lord gladly with all ones heart
      2) What is truth
      1) Either you're scared of hell or you genuinely agree with what he stands for. Or you have experienced something in life which you perceive to be a direct act from him to help you so you feel that you owe him something in return.

      2) Truth is that, which when you cease to believe in it, continues to exist.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Praise View Post
      Thank you for the welcome.

      So far we have two questions
      *Why serve the lord gladly with all ones heart.
      *What is truth


      Here's an opportunity for discussion. I will not bother to answer these questions unless they have first been discussed.
      I assure you both have been discussed at length here on DV. So you can go ahead and give us your answers. And I have another question to add. You say "We know it is foolish to argue with unbelievers." but shouldn't it be the unbelievers who need to be argued with the most?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      I assure you both have been discussed at length here on DV. So you can go ahead and give us your answers. And I have another question to add. You say "We know it is foolish to argue with unbelievers." but shouldn't it be the unbelievers who need to be argued with the most?
      Nonbelievers are starting to say exactly the same thing about Christians. I am an agnostic, but depending on what I research I could find the case for Christ plausible one day. But from where I'm sat now, with the majority of Christians, it certainly IS NOT POSSIBLE to argue with them. They won't listen. They just close their eyes and ears and have a paddy, resorting to intellectually devoid strawman arguments. Not unlike a child having a temper tantrum.

      The thing is, and this message ought to get to Praise as well... usually in debates, atheists and nonbelievers always win out. This is because the burden of proof lies on the believer. This is something the immature believer will often deny, but it's true. Nonbelievers always win out in debates about evolution obviously, because it's a flipping fact. However, when it comes to convincing someone either way, it is not possible because common sense tells us that it us up to the believer to prove God, which he can't do because it is a faith orientated argument. The believers then MISINTERPRET this as nonbelievers being stubborn, and they have the opinions of a 2,000 year old Jew to back up their quick judgement. In reality, it is the believer who can't accept that they bear the burden of proof, so they get into a paddy and then start thinking that the nonbelievers must be demonically deceived in some way because the 'divine truth' just will not shine through. This is exactly how I feel when I see people like the Pope banning condomns. I just feel there must be some demon putting lies into his head because no human can be stupid enough to do that.

      Believers get the same feeling. Only they are more prone to accepting it because their own worldview predisposes them to the belief in demons.
      The starz...
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      The intricate and dynamic machinery of nature...
      Are you saying,
      that all of this was created,
      BY A MONKEY??????

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      Quote Originally Posted by Praise View Post
      Thank you for the welcome.

      So far we have two questions
      *Why serve the lord gladly with all ones heart.
      *What is truth


      Here's an opportunity for discussion. I will not bother to answer these questions unless they have first been discussed.
      "Xtian Truth" is an oxymoron, no? I think anyone of us on this site can remind you of the countless contradictions and failed prophecies in the black book.

      Also, your religion requires faith. Whereas "Truth" implies certainty - faith would be redundent if god were actually proven to exist. Many xtians argue that although god could "prove" he exists anytime he wanted to he will not because this would negate faith.

      "Why gladly serve" - yes please do explain why anyone would want to prostrate themselves in servitude, unless they are of inherently weak character.


      I have a question for you: Are you in fact the same person as Davej?

      You see Davej mentioned he teaches, and it appears so do you. Your first post was in the early hours of the morning - which is when Davej normally posts. And your posting style is similar. And you made a beeline directly to the R/S forum - like Davej you would appear to have no actual interest in Lucid Dreaming.

      I would be interested to see if the mods checked the IP addresses of Davej and you Praise what they might find. Lets hope Im wrong, because as I remember, using multiple Ids is a banning offense............
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      Quote Originally Posted by Idolfan View Post
      But from where I'm sat now, with the majority of Christians, it certainly IS NOT POSSIBLE to argue with them. They won't listen.
      This assumption we make about each other is part of the problem. It is often true but not always true. Knowing that, it is, occasionally, worth it to deal with all the people who are like that because you occasionally find someone who will listen. For that matter you seem to suggest that people who are like that will always be like that and are immune to changing their minds. You make a very big and very insulting assumption about someone when you say that. These arguments can get us somewhere. It's just that most people don't actually want to go where it takes them. How is making drive by comments saying "This topic is a waste of time because X are unable to change their minds" any more constructive or useful than the people you're talking about?

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      I have a few questions.

      What do you think are the implications of the Nicene council and their decisions about what was and was not to be considered part of the christian doctrine?

      What do you think of the state of christianity before and after Constantine's conversion? What political ramifications, if any, did Constantine's conversion have on his reign as emporer?

      If the bible is the inspired word of god, how is it possible that there are so many different interpretations? What denomination do you follow, and what do you think of the countless other denominations that do not agree with your specific interpretation?

      What do you think the implications of revisions to the bible are? Is it possible that the translations are the inspired word of god both before and after they are revised?

      Hopefully you will answer soon, I have many more questions but I don't want to overwhelm you in one post. Welcome to Dreamviews!

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      What do you think are the implications of the Nicene council and their decisions about what was and was not to be considered part of the christian doctrine?
      To be honest I have never herd of this council until you mentioned it. Perhaps you already have your opinion on this matter. Or maybe someone else has the answer.

      What do you think of the state of christianity before and after Constantine's conversion? What political ramifications, if any, did Constantine's conversion have on his reign as emporer
      Again this is something I'm not educated on. Maybe you know more than I do. You seem educated enough to ask the questions. I'm guessing you already have at least some answers in mind and I may learn something from them even. Maybe there is someone else that can discuss this. I would have to research it.

      If the bible is the inspired word of god, how is it possible that there are so many different interpretations? What denomination do you follow, and what do you think of the countless other denominations that do not agree with your specific interpretation?
      Interpreting the bible is no doubt going to cause some confusion as it is an ancient text handed down through history with many different versions. This is to be expected. The way I interpret it is to follow my own guidance of what I find is correct through what I believe to be the truth. That is what I then teach. I use logic and experience to find my own truth just like anything else. I cannot say I follow any particular form of Christianity to the dot. However I do believe there was a person named Christ and I do believe he was an exceptional and advanced being. That he has eternal life. That through him we also inherit eternal life. That he died on the cross to demonstrate gods love.

      What do you think the implications of revisions to the bible are? Is it possible that the translations are the inspired word of god both before and after they are revised?
      The bible may be important to consider. But to be honest I'm not that familiar with it at all. I don't go into detail to study it that closely or it's history. As is evident by my ignorance from your questions. I'm not a scholar on it. Most of it doesn't make much sense to me and is even boring. I don't know about the revisions I have only read some parts here and there. It's difficult to make sense of it in general. The inspired word of god only goes so far as it was written from witnesses to historical events. That's just my opinion. Gods word can be a very relative term. To me it just means what truth is.

      There seems to be a lot of intelligent skillful debaters on this forum. I look forward to more discussion in the future.

      I have a question for you: Are you in fact the same person as Davej?
      No I am definitely not this person.

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