Glad to find another brother in Christ here |
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Well, I am a Christian, obviously, and I just had things I really wanted to discuss with other Christians... I'll make a list. |
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Last edited by patrick45; 02-24-2010 at 05:06 AM.
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Exactly what form does the Holy Spirit only appear in, and why do you feel that spirit guides or dream guides are ungodly and can not in anyway be the form of the Holy Spirit? |
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I'm a christian but I try to do as much sinning in my dreams as I can. |
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I'm not going to say I'm part of any belief system (I'm not an atheist though), and I'm certainly not going to go against you. |
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I'm not a Christian for starters, but I just wanted to point something out. Many violent criminals, of every religion alike, became such because they reached the figurative "boiling point" where you get tired of taking shit from everyone and just go ape on them. Wouldn't it be a good idea to prevent this by using your dreams as an outlet for inevitable rage? |
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Well, here's the deal. A true Christian will not have that 'inevitable rage' because their future is secured because of Christ, their past has been forgiven by Christ, and their present made new in Christ. A Christian can still be very angry, to be sure, but it's either an anger at sin or its acting out of character and a sin in itself for that Christian. |
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Yea, he COULD use that to tell you something, BUT, not all spirits come from God, just because they claim to be your spirit guide does not necessarily mean they really are, if they don't believe in Jesus Christ and try to make you believe something else, they are NOT from God. What I mean is be VERY VERY cautious when it comes to dealing with spirits, if they ever really come into dreams... and never trust them unless you KNOW that they are from God. |
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Last edited by Xedan; 02-26-2010 at 11:41 PM.
Let's keep it on topic, guys. Xedan, if you want to start an "Are Xtians Immune to Anger?" thread, go ahead, but that's not what this thread is for. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
Speaking as a Christian, I think you've got the right idea, patrick45. |
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Originally Posted by OldSparta
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Well, I'm not very good at saying things in a way understandable to others, but I wasn't trying to put God in a box or anything, and when I said that not all spirits come from God, I know that they were created by him, but some chose to turn against Him, as free will allows them to do so, without which real love cannot exist ( free will, I mean ), while all spirits derive their existence from God (as nothing created could have created itself), I don't believe that all spirits ARE God, we are simply his creation, we aren't actually HIM. |
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Yes, he did profess to be one with God because the trinity ( father, son, holy spirit ) are all the same thing, just like how width, length, and height makes up volume, the father, the son, and the holy spirit make up what is God, so Jesus IS God, not a creation of God ( just in case you were saying something to that effect ) and Heaven is within Christians, as wherever God is so is Heaven, but God is omnipresent ( but that does not mean heaven is everywhere. ), so there can be a physical place AND at the same time be inside of Christians. As for not being able to be separated from God, as I said with Jesus, you can't use him as an example of a creation being God, as he IS God, not simply a creation like regular humans, he had to take on a human form in order to redeem humankind, but he himself is both divine and human in nature, but that does not mean that we are, because Jesus NEVER committed any form of sin, or else he could not have saved humankind ( and would not be God. ), and humankind NEEDS a savior, as God is perfect, and human beings are imperfect, there cannot be a relation between perfection and imperfection unless something happens to change the imperfection into perfection, so if God is perfect, but yet humankind does imperfect things all the time, human beings cannot possibly be a part of God or else God is imperfect, and this universe would blow up or descend into utter chaos since if God were imperfect there could be no perfect anything, including perfect order of the universe. |
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I'm an atheist, but I'm not going to rip apart your belief system (for now ). Just like to pitch in my two cents about dream sinning... |
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I'm also non-Christian (a lousy Buddhist, fair to middlin' Taoist, and Universalist), but I would say no, don't "sin" in LDs. Granted, my notion of wrongdoing has nothing to do with what any authority can or can't see, or will or won't count, but how one's actions affect one's own consciousness, which is part and parcel of your impact on the world. Obviously, there's no reason LDs would get a pass from this perspective; the most you could argue is that actions in LDs are less harmful than their waking counterparts. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
As a Buddhist/Taoistr/Pagan shaman myself I agree not to cause harm, when we have a negative intent to cause harm, whether in a dream or waking life, it harms ourself. Just like all dream characters are really parts of our own self, so are all people in waking life. Even the desire to hurt hurts ourself. Anger hurts. In shamanism sometimes it is called for to defeat an enemy in the dream, but everytime, they reintegrate the energy they have disowned. They re-own it. For example, after a shaman defeats an enemy he will make friends with it. I am talking about shamans who are in alignment with the greatest good of all. Not shamans on the quest for personal power at the expense of others. |
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Patrick 45 is right, though it's not easy achieving. I am a Christian struggling with this very thing. But the real underlying issue here is much deeper. Lucid dreaming is a step towards darkness, where it's possible to meet spirits of wickedness. Before I was saved I had real encounters with real spirits of darkness. Christians should avoid learning to Lucid dream as it opens a door that is very hard to close. Be careful. |
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I've known people who claimed they've been tempted by evil spirits in their dreams and while they were awake. Guess what, they also had personality disorders. Just saying. |
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Really? |
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