A message to my mainsteam christian friend..

I sent a friend this message right after an argument...


I dont believe in half the shit the Bible says. Just because, ALL of logic proves that the information in the bible is partly false, considering SOOO many christian parties got a hold of it and translated the text into what they believe.


You know what else? He LET 3 perfectly virgin girls, get RAPED by horrible people, just to save two of his angels from the exact fate.

Like i said, you dont take into context what the Bible says. You just believe what your parents tell you to. I guarantee, that YOU, yourself, (okay now, we are talking about You, not Me, YOU) ; You HAVE NOT read the bible, OR TRULY study it.

(Sorry for poor sentence structure, im tired, and i was typing fast. Plus, this kid is kinda not smart, so he wont notice)

When you study it, you dont list all the positive things in it. You know what? Here is a challenge, go through each and every page in the bible, and list everything that is prejudice, hateful, disgusting, mean, murderous, evil, or ridiculous. Then ask yourself, "Do i really believe that our loving God would do that?"

Jesus was real, he was a good person, and I do believe he was a higher spirit. I believe that he shared his final moments on the cross to forgive our sins. But people need to stop taking it so far. You CANNOT go to church every sunday, and practice retarded religious things, and then socialize negatively with people the rest of the day. If you cant discuss some logical reasoning with someone without saying something mean and hateful (suck it), youre not a true christian, sorry. So, Seth, try and look deeper, realize what exactly youre doing to your precious mind.

Also, you know the little african children who grow up their entire lives in hell and never even learn how to read or anything? Does God send those people to hell? Evidently, considering the BIBLE SAYS, THAT YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AND TAKE HIM AS YOUR SAVIOR TO BE ADMITTED IN TO HEAVEN. I guess those poor, innocent kids are burning in a lake of fire right now....

This brings us to the semi-conclusion, do you realize how our brains work? We only notice things that are put directly into our head. Like, a song on the radio, you never notice that one particular song until one day, someone tells you, "Oh my god did you hear that song 'blah blah blah' on the radio yesterday?" Then, the next day, you hear the song. That is how our minds are designed. To believe in something that is physical, and is burned into our brains as an image. God doesnt have the ability to do that, only faith can lead us to believe....


All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry. - Edgar Allan Poe

Is it not true that most people find god in a moment of fear, greed, or imagination? Yes.

Also, did you know that atheism intertwines with intelligence? Most true atheists are way more intelligent then the average christian. You ever notice how the 13 year old christian girls who go to your school are sooo damn stupid? Thats because they have never really thought for themselves about anything important.

****, I DO believe in god, many, many, people have presented scientific solutions that prove god is non-existent, but I still have faith. I dont believe in some of the things in the Bible, because a lot of it contradicts. Think deeply. I believe that there is a point, in science and the belief in Jesus Christ, where the two intertwine, to become one. People are just mixed up, and only people who are truly intelligent can fix them.

-Jonathan.

I'm not your friend.
I read the bible. Believe it or not, there are smart christians. very loosely christian but. still. fucking balls.
(though I'm probably not considered christian)

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Originally Posted by Acid

****, I DO believe in god, many, many, people have presented scientific solutions that prove god is non-existent, but I still have faith. I dont believe in some of the things in the Bible, because a lot of it contradicts. Think deeply. I believe that there is a point, in science and the belief in Jesus Christ, where the two intertwine, to become one. People are just mixed up, and only people who are truly intelligent can fix them.

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This mix-up of God and Jesus is the part that made the least to me.

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Originally Posted by guitarboy

I'm not your friend.
I read the bible. Believe it or not, there are smart christians. very loosely christian but. still. fucking balls.
(though I'm probably not considered christian)

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Nono, that wasnt the point I was making. I was saying, that the 12-15 year old mainstream "christian" kids, are not truly christian because they dont try to be christ like. Sure, they go to church etc, but the next day at school they diss and bully people. Also, the part about the dumb Christians...most young Christians are unintelligent because they never think deeply about what they believe in.

Children are children. They have yet to develop to the point where they question there beliefs and either confirm and strengthen them are reject them entirely, and of course, the compromise

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Originally Posted by guitarboy

Children are children. They have yet to develop to the point where they question there beliefs and either confirm and strengthen them are reject them entirely, and of course, the compromise

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Im 13, and I (Not bragging) am considerably more intelligent then any of the mainstream christian children that are amongst me every day at school.

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Originally Posted by Acid

Im 13, and I (Not bragging) am considerably more intelligent then any of the mainstream christian children that are amongst me every day at school.

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Not bragging. Right.

Let me guess, you score high on your grades and tests, your teachers love you, you play some sports, go to church, and are surrounded by people who do nothing but mess around and talk. You're the shining diamonds in the rocks.

Shiz kid, you're about to realize how common you really are.

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Originally Posted by Acid

Im 13, and I (Not bragging) am considerably more intelligent then any of the mainstream christian children that are amongst me every day at school.

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A true christian wouldn't put themselves above others.

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Originally Posted by hellohihello

A true christian wouldn't put themselves above others.

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A part of the belief system involves thinking that the followers of the faith will go to heaven, and that those who commit "wrongs" will be cast into hellfire. >> One kind of person is "more good" than another, and by extension better than. So, what is a true Christian to you?

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Originally Posted by The Invisible Man

Not bragging. Right.

Let me guess, you score high on your grades and tests, your teachers love you, you play some sports, go to church, and are surrounded by people who do nothing but mess around and talk. You're the shining diamonds in the rocks.

Shiz kid, you're about to realize how common you really are.

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I don't play sports, I am not a straight A student, I do not go to church, and only some of my teachers like me. You have no idea who I am, or what I've been through. You have no right to judge me.

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Originally Posted by hellohihello

A true christian wouldn't put themselves above others.

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I am not a christian. I was.

Acid, I personally think you are evolving nicely. Keep it up.

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Originally Posted by Acid

I don't play sports, I am not a straight A student, I do not go to church, and only some of my teachers like me. You have no idea who I am, or what I've been through. You have no right to judge me.

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It seems that this thread is very judgmental of someone else... Do you have a right to judge that person? I think Plato said it best, "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."

While I surely do not know what you have been through, I'm sure others have had it both easier and worse than you in life.

On another note, I don't recall scientists proving that God is non-existent... I think that would have made a headline or two. I understand why you have such a plight against people, because yes, ignorance that you have no control over is pretty irritating. I wouldn't suggest necessarily making it into "I'm better than you." though.

Acid, if you ever read this, heed what I tell you....

Shut up.

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Originally Posted by hellohihello

A true christian wouldn't put themselves above others.

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To be honest he writes pretty well for a 13 year old.

He's probably being honest, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by Dreams4free

Acid, if you ever read this, heed what I tell you....

Shut up.

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Im not sure if I want to bash you right now or ask you...Why?

Anyway, my views have changed since I posted this thread. Im an Atheist now.

Bash me? For What? What CAN you bash me for....

Your a little depressed, confused 13 year old kid who thinks he is outlandish and intelligent to be an Atheist with such confidence.
Throw me a fucking bone. When your 75 and life starts looking grim, you will go back to your little pet jesus and his owner, which somehow are the same person.

I have typed the entire text of the Scripture, Old and New, into a computer. Gave me time to think about it.

But let us use a simple example. For example, the Yoga Sutras. The Yoga Sutras were written as a philosophical document by a Sanskrit Scholar. Then translated into gibberish and became a principle document in many religions, all of which the original writer condemned by his very doctrine. The real Patanjali was dismissed and a fictional one replaced for him, same name, but mystical.

Now, we have the writer, the written and the translator--and the reader of translation.

Don't you think it is kind of stupid to blame the writer for the lack of understanding of both the translator, the dogma pedlers, and the limited understanding of the reader?

However all this may be, whose fault is it that thinks there is some jolly green giant who is responsible for what you or any one else thinks or does? If there was the least bit of truth in you, I think you would have studied the text, for enough remains to point you to the writer to learn from--Lucid Dreaming is just one place.

But if you think what ever it is has a magic wand to grant you understanding, you are a true Christian. In other words, all you are doing is swaping around fantasies and tossing a tantrum instead of finding the truth. What better are you than those you acuse? Ever think there is a more important purpose to the whole thing than anyone else can explain to you other than walking the path, and learning what you can?

It is a much more difficult road to walk, and frankly, one will find they walk it alone. Anyone can repeat words, who do you know who actually understands them?

Look at what people ask of their God, to think for them, to live for them, to do for them--they are simple children asking God to live for them because they worship their own death. That is exactly what it means. When you steal, lie, cheat, on and on, each of these things, common to human psychology, is nothing but the worship of death.

But this is to be expected of children, their mind is not yet awake--is not yet able to support its own life. That is what it is about--the future of man. And as many times I have cursed whatever this God is, I can see no other way other than the blind leading the blind. I don't trust God, how can I, and I have had more direct experience than anyone I know, I will continue my studies, and only seek understanding.

These things are important to keep in mind, for if you ever discover the existence of this thing called God, your greatest enemy is going to be a life-time habituation of mythology and destructive thinking.

I for one understand what you're going through :)

When I was in middle school my parents forced me to go to bible class. I was going crazy. As far as I could see, no one, none of my peers or the nuns even questioned their own interpretation of the bible. I read the bible for myself and the truth I found in it was not represented in the church.

I think some of you guys are being too harsh on Acid

Not all kids this age question their own religious up bringing, or enter a spiritual path freed from religious doctrine. Others will take several more years to question. I think most of us can identify with Acid's journey because most of us have been there.

We are NOT the majority. Hello people! Welcome to dreamviews. You're a MINORITY.

Acid is feeling that frustration. You're not alone acid. But it might be several more years before you meet anyone in real life with your views.

I bet these kids are such jerks outside of church because they have been raised by middle-class and upper-class parents and siblings who all believe that they are the "chosen ones" who are "saved" and so they already have it all made. They are privileged. Religion is not a burning quest in their hearts, but a doctrine inherited unconsciously, a pleasant burden that justifies their sense of superiority. Their minds not awakened, they are the same as any other kid, Christian or not, but they believe they are better. They accept the reality that they are presented with. Beware the same fate. Anybody can feel justified to feel superior, and even logically so, but the truth is that nobody knows, so everybody is wrong. Some just cling to their ignorance and deny it, while others accept it and humbly keep growing.

You also are young, but you are awakening a bit. But don't settle for conclusions as a reaction against the hypocrisy present in your little world. This world is a big one, and the Universe infinitely bigger, and possible conscious experiences even infinitely bigger. So keep a beginner's mind, and see all possibilities born and die from and in the mother of all possible explanations, then drop the need for explanations and identifications, and just be your true pure self, with no labels or fixed ideas. Then you can keep growing and being happy, that will show those douchebags.

Keep awakening. Don't settle and call yourself an 'Atheist'. Then you are just wrapping your beautiful robe of words around you and going back to sleep, putting up another screen of world-view between you and reality and defining it as "what you believe". This makes YOU right, and others wrong. Don't be like them. Be a good example to them.

I've been a closeted atheist (not that I knew what the term meant at the time) since I was 7 or 8. I'm 16 now, and my views haven't really changed, only gotten stronger. I grew up in a moderately religious Mslim family, but I can't say I EVER truly believed in God. My father and brother believe in the koran, my mother in a deity, and I learned today that my sister is an atheist. My point is, no one is ever too young to question religious beliefs. I may be different from the average person, and my IQ and test score place me well into the 99th percentile, but I'm sure there are plenty of others who question God at far younger I've been a closeted atheist (not that I knew what the term meant at the time) since I was 7 or 8. I'm 16 now, and my views haven't really changed, only gotten stronger. I grew up in a moderately religious Mslim family, but I can't say I EVER truly believed in God. My father and brother believe in the koran, my mother in a deity, and I learned today that my sister is an atheist. My point is, no one is ever too young to question religious beliefs. I may be different from the average person, and my IQ and test score place me well into the 99th percentile, but I'm sure there are plenty of others who question God at far younger ages than you may think. There must be other inquisitive young children who have questioned the existence of god. Just becuase you didn't do so in elementary school doesn't mean others didn't.

in response to this post, i would like to say that you are right in alot of ways. for instance, many christian children and even adults are very narrow minded, and only believe in the faith due to their parents and pastors. Yes, they can be very stupid ( but this is because for some reason christian parents believe they should shelter their kids from the "evil outside" instead of letting them actually grow in the world around them and see what they are "up against" ) but mental compasity has nothing to do with religion. you don't need to be smart to have faith, that's the beauty of it. after all, wisdom and knowledge are two different things. and neither necessarily come with age. Next, you are right about alot of people only looking at the good in the bible and never studeing the bad, BUT THE BIBLE IS NOT A SUGAR COATED BED TIME STORY. it is a very real and very correct word of god. And yes there are alot of evil, nasty, disturbing things in the bible, but the world is an evil, nast, disturbing place. we cannot expect god to NOT cover the bad topics about our world, and if we did then there is no reason for us to even read it. many of the things in the bible are bout combating the evil in our very "sinful" world. and so there must be reference to the evil in it. for instance ( you cannot shoot targets, without the targets ) and you cannot learn about the bad, if there is no bad. So i find it slightly immature and very unwise of someone to attempt to cause a christian to lose his faith in god, when you aren't YET ready to commit to the faith itself and study its teachings IN CONTEXT. For example. you cannot say you like chocolate better than vanilla, if you have not yet tasted vanilla itself. Now im not calling you stupid, for some things you say are unfortunately true regarding the behavior of many christian people, but i am telling you that you are in the wrong to say what you have just said without evidence to back it up. So do a little research of your own before telling someone they know little of what they believe. I believe you are very intelligent, just off the mark, which is okay, who am i to tell you whats right or wrong, that is for you to decide. And i think we all can relate to the fact that we are imperfect and do sin, just because we want to become more like god, doesn't mean we have no room for error. if god expected us to never spear of sin again after becoming christian then he wouldn't have died for us. the reason he died for us was to cover all the sin we had committed, commit, and will commit in the future. its not just a one time deal, he loved us enough to take on our sin. and since you do not know this, god IS, he WAS, and he always will BE. you talk of him like he isn't here now. isn't in the room with you, doesn't still love you. so do some research, and give reason to you theory BEFORE you confront us. its like going to court without a lawyer, UNWISE. but i do believe you are intelligent, and i do admire you for questioning your beliefs, just don;t question others for their beliefs and problems until you have solved your own. no one it perfect my friend. and i don't personally believe your age is important in this matter, and thus i do not give you any grace because you are young, i give it to you because you deserve it. for instance, i am 15 years old, and still, i speak my mind, as do you. But i don't believe you should take someone from their own faith until you settle yours.

i would also like to add that noware in the bible does god allow women to be raped 2 save his angels. The angels blinded the men whom came to rape the women and helped them to escape. look it up, Gen Chapter 19

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Originally Posted by p0k3ts1z3

, but the world is an evil, nast, disturbing place.

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I disagree. :)