Active Lucid Precognitive Dream Research.

[YAD]

I am looking for brave new pioneers who want to push the envelope of dreams and reality to the next level of dream phenomena. Many of you will have already had Déjà vu; that experience where you feel that something is familiar and you some how know it. For those of you more active with dreams, you most likely have had Déjà Rêvé which the same Déjà Vu experience (feelings, sensations, aura) but the memory and source of the Déjà links back to a dream you once had. Déjà Rêvé is known as precognitive dreaming and it means: you dream something that days, weeks, months, years later comes true. It is a naturally occurring part of the dream phenomena and is more common then you think. It is simply our ignorant dream illiterate culture that has difficulty connecting the dots, so we can either wait for them to connect them or connect them for ourselves. Take some time to think about all your Déjà vu experiences, and look at how many of those could actually be Déjà Rêvé. You need to look at the dream and make mental note of them; the feelings, your awareness and how engaged you were with them. Finally, please let me know right away if you have ever had LUCID precognitive dreams. Where you know you were awake in the dream, only to have that dream come true. This is the gateway to goals of this thread. Let me know if you actively enganged the lucid dream and if any changes you did to the dream also actualized here. Lucid Precognitive Dreaming is at the forefront of new dream research; there is not a lot of people who have had the "ah ha!" moment and realized that the Déjà like dreams can also be lucid Déjà like dreams. If you want to participate; it helps to use intent to direct your desire to access this particular focus state within the dreaming spectrum. It helps to focus on other precognitive dreams you have had prior to entering sleep. Focus on how they felt, the frequency, the signiture, the pattern. Focus on those concepts and try to connect from a frequency/feeling perspective in your sleep. Report any success here; if you have a dream you think has lucid precognitive potental, please post it here. If it actualizes and you can provide any photographic or video evidence (ie... iPhone and have the Déjà Rêvé feelings, snap pictures). Post here for comparisson. Let's have some fun.

[Theme]

I think the thing with this is though, that we have so many dreams something from it is bound to happen in reality. Concidering the theory that dreams are made up from our day to day experiences makes it even more likely. I mean, you don't have the dream then think "Oh wow that is going to happen soon." You have the experience *then* you think back to a dream that it was in, and we have alot of dreams covering almost everything you can think of. Deja Vu is completly different to Deja Reve I would just like to point out aswell. Deja Vu is just an anomaly of memory. Is Deja Reve even a scientifically acknowledged phenomenon?

[YAD]

Hi Theme, Thanks for the consideration to share your views and skepticism. You are talking out of assumption here; like coming to a physics class without a degree in Quantum Mechanics and then assuming systems work in ways they simply do not. That is normal with people who lack knowledge and attempt to talk on a topic that they really don't know anything about; yet believe they have all the information they need. Such is the case in your post. The research in this field has been long standing since the 1930's and the results and evidence has come in. It is the blatant denial of the these types of experiences which hinder a more accepted view of the phenomena at hand. Nothing can be more obvious then the reaction of Physicists back in the 1930's when they discovered the Observer effect and measurement problem. Over the years Chinese, Russian, German and US governments have secretly researched potential that touches on what this topic covers. Not surprisingly; they have kept the knowledge classified under National Security and deliberately started a disinformation campaign to flood public awareness with disinformation and ridicule. I know people involved in military PSI research; I have been told by these people that there is a deliberate disinformation campaign from the top level down. Regardless of this challenge; research is emerging in certain research centers that merit further public investigation outside the controls and guise of the information war we are fighting. The concept of precognitive dreams dates as far back as the ancient Sumerians and Egyptians. The Babylonians also knew about precognition and that is reflective in the Bible and many other Eastern religions as well. The Vedas, Buddhists and Chinese have all known about this phenomena. Even tribal aboriginals such as Native Americans and Australian Aborigines all have belief systems revolved around precognitive dreams. Not surprisingly; this is also covered in the Jewish faith. In 350BC Aristotle wrote his paper on "On Prophesying by Dreams" where he provided the first skeptical view of this widely established belief in early Greek culture. The historical evidence of this exists and more modern views obviously have emerged. One of the earliest modern publications on Precognitive Dreaming was back in 1927 by J. W. Dunne where he recorded and verified many personal precognitive dreams. An Experiment with Time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For the modern researcher this is one of the most significant cases describing the precognitive experience. Where you erroneously declare that Déjà Vu is an anomaly of memory; I have spoken with Dr. Vernon Neppe who is the world leading researcher and author on the subject; his earliest works linked the phenomena to Temporal Lobe Epilepsy [TLE]. This is where you subscribe to your myth that it is memory error. The original theory was that TLE causes the experience; the memory anomaly however for that to be true; everyone suffering from DV also suffer from TLE and there for should be on anti-convulsants. The scope of the phenomena is far reaching affecting skeptic and the like. What you don't know is Neppe revisited all of his research as more evidence arrived where patients of his started to tell him information prior to the actualization of the information... meaning he was observing the precognitive element in his patients. He teamed up with a Switzerland doctor named Art Funkhouser who along with Neppe researched further into Déjà Rêvé and Art has done an excellent job building up evidence for the nature of the experience. Here is his latest peer reviewed publication: The frequency of déjà vu (déjà rêve) and the effects of age, dream recall frequency and personality factors Spend some time and actually do some research. Is it scientifically acknowledged... absolutely. Here's some more resources to look up. Krippner, S., Ullman, M., and Honorton, C. A precognitive dream study with a single subject. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 65:192-203,1971. Krippner, S., Honorton, C., and Ullman, M. A second precognitive dream study with Malcolm Bessent. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 66:269-279,1972. Ullman, M., and Krippner, S., with Alan Vaughan. Dream Telepathy. New Yourk: Macmillan, 1973. Sondow,N. The decline of precognized events with the passage of time: Evidence from spontaneous dreams. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1988, vol. 82, 33-51. Stowell, M. S. Precognitive Dreams: A phenomenological study. Part I: Methodology and sample cases. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1997, vol. 91, 163-220. Stowell, M. S. Precognitive Dreams: A phenomenological study. Part II: Discussion. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1997, vol. 91, 255-304. Stevenson, I. A review and analysis of paranormal experiences connected with the sinking of the Titanic. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1960, 54, 153-171. Stevenson, I. Seven more paranormal experiences associated with the sinking of the Titanic. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1965, 59, 211-225. Stevenson, I. Precognition of disasters. Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1970, 64, 187-210. Van de Castle, R. L. Sleep and Dreams. In: B. B. Wolman (Ed.), Handbook of Parapsychology. New York & London: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1977, pp. 473-489. Barker, J. C. Premonitions of the Aberfan disaster. Journal of the American society for Psychical Research, 1967, 44, 169-181. Contact people at The Monroe Institute or members form the International Association for the Study of Dreams; there is lots of compiled evidence out there if you do your own homework. Now that is all said; I have this experience and know for fact it's real. I don't need all the above to tell me or confirm what I already know. Unlike some fanatical religious belief; precognitive dreaming is an experience; not a belief. It is something that you may or may not experience. Depending on what you do experience; that might shape your beliefs somewhat. Here is an article I published on the Anatomy of a Precognitive Dream. Let me know if you have any more questions; I'll be happy to help out. More importantly; you need to be more educated on this topic which is not an insult; just an observation. Hopefully I have helped somewhat. I don't mean to come off arrogant or self-important; I'd like to encourage your own growth in this area. I know textual speech opens strange emotional interpretations that I seem to lack.

[YAD]

I just wanted to add a footnote: Art Funkhouser contacted me and wanted to say he likes to reserve the term Déjà Rêvé for a dream remembered at the moment of the occurring Déjà experience and if the person remembers the dream clearly prior to the actualization; then it should be simply called a precognitive dream. It is a bit technical but in his line of research; he deals with a very broad range of "déjà experiences" so the need to be very technical and detailed is apparent. The other footnote is the use of the term "aura" as it has the unfortunant link to TLE so I want to emphasise for technical purposes that a precognitive dream aura is not at all the TLE or Migrane aura and a scientific classification to distinquish aura types is most likely needed and pending. He has also provided a link to a form for anyone interesting in submitting their Déjà experiences at: Déjà Vu Survey He als provided me a link with a lot of information about what Dr. Neppe and Dr. Funkhouser call "déjà experiences" at Welcome to the Déjà Experience Research Website

[Theme]

Ok my friend lets take a look at what you have put here. Firstly you come up with some kind of tin foil hat conspiracy theory about secret goverment research and various other goverment conspiracies, all unprovable and more so completly irrelevant. You should just ask youself, why do YOU know and not anyone else. If it was such a big deal, you would not know at all, and if you were right about this tin foil hat conspiracy, you would not be here telling the world about it. You also say that because some people back in Babylonian times or Egyptian times believed it could be a phenomenon, we should believe it today? Should we also start consulting oracles and sacrificing animals to the gods? So again, pointless irrelevance. The fact Deja Vu *IS* an anomaly of memory is *NOT* up for discussion. It is a fact. It's shown by the fields of neuroscience and psychology. Denying this outright says a lot, fankly. Second to lastly, my main point is not that it does not happen, because I can imagine it can. My main point, and if you address nothing but one point address this please, because you completely ignored it for a reason I can guess (Information Bias), is that it is not in fact any kind of psychic phenomenon, not that it doesn't exist. You don't wake up from a dream and think "Oh wow that is going to happen." Instead you have an experience then relate it back to the dream. And the amount of dreams we have is gargantuam, am I some kind of super powered clairvoyant for realising I dreamed something this one time? Nope. Finally, The American Society For Psychical Research has proved not a single psychic phenomenon in their entire history and are laughed out of every scientific arena they have ever tried to enter. All of the studies cited are case studies. Not a single one is a scientific experiment. Not a single one. And worse still, a case study of people who already believe they have had a paranormal experience. P.S. Where do you get the idea im some kind of retard? Claiming " More importantly; you need to be more educated on this topic." Your phsycic powers are failing you my friend.

[YAD]

First of all, Project Blue Beam was part of the disinformation branch of the US government that acted as a front for UFO investigation; it is that branch of disinformation that this intelligence officer with top level clearance shared with me. I can't disclose who this person was; suffice to say that when a person as high-up in rank and intelligence access as this person tells you face-to-face that the US Government is involved in disinformation from the top level down even reaching into academic circles you don't laugh in his face and tell him he's a tin foil hatter. He was part of that group and has through my research in this field become friends with me. He's not the only military contact I have spoken with involved in the US Goverment's PSI program; however he is the first to disclose the disinformation campaign against PSI phenomena under the umbrella of National Security. Secondly, you are espouting 1980's research and need to step up a few decades into the current research being conducted and the intelligence that has been gathered. Suffice to say when a person is misinformed and makes their little mind up; they tend to stay that way. *claps* Now I don't want to say you are a retard; and you are bringing up a valid point about the scale of what we dream in the course of a night. I don't want us to fight over closed minded skepticism because frankly; I have done my homework; I know this is real. It's not going to sway my opinion of the validity of precognitive dreaming one iota. If you lack the first-hand experience then fine; remain skeptical until you start obtaining your own personal data. The phenomena is best learned through first-hand experience and not books. This isn't for the novice. It is for the leading edge lucid dreamer who is pushing the envelope. And it's not going to be easy full of quick fast results. It is going to be trial and error; rinse and repeat. I posted a link to an Anatomy of a Precognitive dream that does have some of the modern theories emerging as to the hows and whys. If you wonder why any PSI claims are discredited please refer to my above tin foil hat claim and at least consider that somewhere out there; people in a position of power do not want public knowledge of this reality. Knowing how real this is; and having my contact tell me this information at least sways my opinion that there really is disingenuous bias at work in this area. I could care less, this doesn't stop me from pursuing this avenue of exploration; however considering the lack of enthusiastic dreamers it seems all this thread has managed to attract is a closed minded skeptic; something I have very little use for. Not that we can't change that. You have the same potential to connect to this precognitive layer as the next person; attitude and intent can help click your attention where it needs to be in the dreamstate. Do you even lucid dream? How extensive is your exploration of this state? How often do you remember your dreams? Do you keep a dream journal?

[Theme]

Hmmm, there is alot there so i'll break this up. Firstly, Project Blue Team is a NASA project. A project for what though? Making a new religion for athiests. Secondly, a high level inteligence officer is telling you, personally, all of the governments secrets. That is completely stupid for so, so many reasons. Thirdly, I am "espouting [sic] 1980's research and need to step up a few decades into the current research." Espouting isnt a word so i'll assume you meant espousing. The only research any one mentioned were the dubious case studies presented by you. And every piece of that I destroyed collectively. So what exactly did I "espout," to? If we also look at the end of what you say, "when a person is misinformed and makes their little mind up; they tend to stay that way." Seems ironic. Forthly, and this, in my honest opinion, is the best paragraph of all. You say my point is valid. This would mean that it is not a psychic phenomenon. Then you just dismiss everything else and replace an argument with an ad hominem. Then you say you are never going to change your opinion, all the while calling me the oxymoron, closed minded skeptic. If putting those three words together makes any kind of sense to you then it is clear you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Secondly from this paragraph, there are people who have experiences of their god from every religion. Is every religion correct? No. First hand experience means nothing when we are trying to explain why the experience happened. You are completly assuming there is only one explaination for this and that explaination is that you are able to see into the future. Again, ironic you would call me the close minded one here. Fifthly; that is well and good, but the entire artice is useless because it is all based around this competely wrong statements. If future information exists, as claimed by people who have exerienced precognition. And these people have what right to say anything about quantam phsyics? That is just one of the heaps. I also checked out some of your sources. There were only 3 sources that were relevant. All the others were useless and did nothing but make it look like a long list. And of the three sources only 2 were agreeing with what you say. So what were these 2 sources? One of the sources was a website where some uneducated randomer randomly postulates about asking the dream questions. Not a credible source and not relevant. And the other was just a link to someone trying to sell a book. The rest of what you said in this paragraph was just conspiracy theories. Completly pointless. And sixthly we come to the ignorance and assumptions paragraph. And that's enough said about that paragraph. And finally, spare me the elitism. If you want be like that, take a look at my join date. hurr. I hate to break it to you but you have invested so much time, effort and emotions into this that no matter what anyone says, no matter who disproves it you, will always fall to information bias and will never let it go. For that reason this is probably going to be my last post on this subject because, as you have stated so yourself, you are never going to change your mind and I expect your next post to simply be you saying the same thing for the third time to me and ignoring what I say. But either way, there is some food for thought.

[YAD]

Look, I already knew I was engaging a stupid debate with a skeptic who really is going to regurgitate the same boring "skeptic belief system" arguments that I have heard over the last 20 years and it really doesn't mean jack when it comes to the reality of the experience. It really is just hot air and a lot of blah blah blah. You have to understand just because you lack the experience and knowledge (from your own personal involvement with precognition) doesn't make it any less real to those who do. I know a lot of people who have this experience and the gradient and quality of the experience varies depending on speculative qualities within cognitive development. You are right about one thing: you can't change my mind about the reality of the experience any more then you can change your own mind about it. That said, I really don't want to fight with you on "belief banter" because right now, that is all we are doing. Throwing mud and not really progressing as intelligently as both you and I could. When it comes down to epistemology and personal edification all of the "subjective" belief centric concepts like lucid dreaming (which until 1980 wasn't scientifically proven and has endured the wrath of ignorant skeptics the world over); the burden of proof is on you to have the experience. Knowledge in this circle is achieved through first hand personal experience. Something you clearly are lacking otherwise we would be having a far more enriching conversation on the topic. The scope and profound nature of this experience is non-linear and non-localized. How this information is accessed and obtained is still for the best part a mystery although Quantum Entanglement and how these states affect consciousness do come into plausible theory. After all, the observer effect and measurement problem extend what many suspect that entanglement might be far more penetrating then just between two photons and may affect much larger systems. We did after all come from a singularity. As of 2010, we can now teleport information over 10 miles using entanglement. Or is that just more fodder for your skeptical beliefs? The brain already naturally uses quantum states and as to what extent this affects us is unknown but it gives way to explain out-of-body experiences, telepathy, shared dreaming and even precognition. All the stuff you love to deny. Skeptics have really done nothing but turn the growth of the science into a charade and circus show and for a person like myself; the experience not the belief outweighs the ignorant mind of an ignorant skeptic ten fold. Not that I want to be harsh but you can't sit and throw stones at people who genuinely have these experiences and expect them to suddenly assume that your ignorant world view is any more valid then anyone else. What makes any of what you say worth listening to? You don't know so quit talking like you do. You could at least admit that the possibility exists but that might burden your own elitist view. And you want to talk elitist; show me one person who is entrenched in close minded skepticism that isn't one. I assure you... people who have personal experience with precognitive dreaming who might read this post will certainly acknowledge your own arrogance and elitism. Finally, since I waste my time on you I rushed meaning to say Project Blue Book and stand corrected. I'm genuinely sorry that you do not have these experiences. It's really not up to me to ensure that you do. You play the usual grammatical attacks yet spell "peope" instead of people. The lower-order mistakes in spelling, grammar and even word substitution on a public forum that occurs within a brief dialog isn't by any means a measurement by which to judge some one... but that is all you do because you are also an elitist and arrogant. It is really sad actually that you are missing out on this extraordinary experience. We could probably have more beneficial conversations then this banter and verbal throw-up that we seem to be exchanging right now. Who knows, perhaps your time is around the corner. Precognition simply arrives uninvited and can stay locked in; it's naturally occurring and spontaneous; the mystery as to why may be one day known. Like Lucid Dreaming; it fits into the realm of a long standing ancient human experience that perhaps one day will be scientifically recognized and studied. Until such time... it's back to age old arguments that have been around since the time of Plato and Democritus. Either get with the experience or get out.

[Theme]

ok goodbye

[YAD]

Thanks Theme, I did enjoy the banter. Sorry that it was not productive, we are both polarized on different paradigms and clashing like this is just the dog verses tail. If you emerge with precognitive experience of any note feel free to come back and join in assuming this isn't the final post towards thread narcolepsy. I do respect you regardless of our stark contrast. It was fun while it lasted.

[htebizile]

I think that I experience this Déjà Rêvé quite frequently...I'll remember that I've dreamed it as it is happening. I thought I was just losing it but I have experienced this for quite some time...are there others?

[tomorrowDreamer]

Sorry i did not read every bit of the above wall of text from either pro/con PoV... I can remember two different examples of precog-like dreams. First one I remember was when I was in high school(early 90's), i remember being in the same spot at the same time of day with the same people talking about the same thing(person) that i dreamed about like at least a few weeks to a few months prior. The second one that happened less than 3 months ago had to do with my aunt at her place talking about same subject as in dream. We where standing in the same general spots, with the dishwasher door open.... to weird. I have come to think/feel that when I get these precog-realizations that it is like a choice at the fork in the road. As if the next few actions done/said could be very detrimental if chosen incorrectly. Only detrimental in the relation to the context of situation... not like some apocalyptic ending! I think with so many people in the world with closed-minds solidified in concrete might have a rather difficult time believing or understanding what others really experience. Most people don't remember the dreams we all supposedly have every night... why are we so out of focus with our minds that limits us from remembering something so close an personal?

[samson721]

ive heard that deja vu is a miniature seizure in whatever part of the brain that controls memory and it makes you think that what youre experiencing has happened before. but ive had a precognitive dream recently

[shiraniaori]

After hearing that article (or interview?) you posted with the one guy who had lucid precogs where he put a mark on his friends head, I've decided I wanted to try it as well. I have Déjà Rêvés constantly (Fuck I had 5 yesterday), and I recall one was a Déjà Rêvé of me doing a reality check, thinking it was all a dream. The RC didn't work, like in real life. I recall thinking I've been here before in a dream. A few days later I did the same thing, in the same place, with the same thoughts. And right afterwards I tried altering something, if in case it was a dream, but it didn't work, the Déjà Rêvé was over. That was my closest experience to having a lucid precognitive dream, but I think I would probably be a good "pioneer" since I have decent recall (getting better) and generally become lucid without RCs, or dream signs (even though I almost always induce the lucidity) I'd love to hear if anyone else is going to try this as well.

[Justsittinghere]

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[Jay12341235]

I am disapointed someone posted a topic about this. I thought I was the only one who'd thought of precognitive lucid dreaming I've had many precognitive normal dreams before which led me to believe that it's possible to have precognitive lucids as well, but I have yet to test this concept.

[Pheenix]

Nice fighting theme.

[mikegrung]

Only thing I can say is....When I was bout 10 year old I dreamed about this commercial for the movie hood-winked. I woke up, turned on the TV and there it was hood-winked commercial.

[silverrose]

I am disapointed someone posted a topic about this. I thought I was the only one who'd thought of precognitive lucid dreaming I've had many precognitive normal dreams before which led me to believe that it's possible to have precognitive lucids as well, but I have yet to test this concept. it's possible, and has happened to me. to clarify, though- lucid dreaming is not something I ever actively tried to do or tried to learn how to do, it just happened on its own. in such instances, when I know I'm dreaming, I can wake myself up, pull myself out of the dream.

[LucidApprentice]

Agree with Theme. I used to recall 5-6 dreams a night, and 80% were in school. Once a year I was bound to have a dream where something happened in my dream and in school the next day. Of course like multiple things it "might" be possible. Theme is pointing out that precognitive dreaming is not scientifically proven yet, which is indeed a fact. How exactly are you (YAD) qualified to make the decision that it is? Because you're a "pro dreamer"? Good for you, but that is very different than being a scientist who listens to reality instead of fantasy.

[Rybread34]

Maybe it's like on that one community episode where Ahbed (is that you you spell it?) predicts the future by analyzing everybody and then he can predict what they'll do say lol. Maybe our minds are always analyzing everything and sometimes we just guess extremely well what is going to happen...I don't know. Dreams seem to be unexplored, at least by mainstream science, too bad, seems like there is a lot of potential in our minds.

[crys]

sometime last week i dreamed that it was mid afternoon and i was in a house overlooking a city near a coast. then a tsunami came. i was terrified. there was no where to run or hide, so i just sat in the nearest bathroom awaiting my fate. i remember in my dream it was about 3:07 in the afternoon. then yesterday i heard of the tsunami in japan and remembered my dream. i then researched to see what time it had happened and it was around the same time in my dream! very scary. i had a dream the next night about an infestation of centipedes.

[hoffmandebra]

YAD I think this is a wonderful thread and am glad you are doing it. I really do not get the negative strong reaction of some towards it. Geeze if they think its BS fine, to each their own! Read and participate else where on the site. I have most certainly had precognitive dreams that can not be easily explained away as chance. I have not had tons of them but have had them. One of the major reasons I am on this forum is to experience more precognition in dreams. I think there are very mysterious aspects to the dreaming world that go beyond the subconscious.

[Tsukiomi]

Im glad some people are looking into important topics such as this. Honestly, skeptics will always be skeptics, unfortuneatly most funding only goes to things that would be profitable and because of many assumptions that scientists follow we have barely scratched the surface of topics such as these. It seems like people nowadays will follow scientific statistics and assumptions like they did with the catholic church in medevil times. Good luck with your research, after I have had enough experience with lucid dream ill be sure to alert you to any preconginitive experiences I have.

[CicadiaKing]

Although I Believe that Precognitive Dreaming could possibly be real. (Having had instances of Deja Reve before) We should really try our best to avoid participant Bias. Just because we believe something to be real, sadly does not make it so. I support theme in that skeptics are actually a very important part of information gathering. I can relate to theme in that he/she like myself prefer proof and don't want to eagerly believe something just because we "think" or "will" it to be true. Take the challenger explosion for example. Although The Engineers of the Challenger deemed the Shuttle unsafe and risky (skeptics), The Eager managment ended up ignoring their advisement and warnings and went ahead and launched the shuttle anyways. My point is If skeptics are serious about the gathering of information, and demand concrete evidence while also being open minded to these sorts of ideas, Then and only then may researchers work along side them to ensure that whatever data retreived is unbiased and strong. Think of it as sort of a filtration system that makes sure that our research is clean when it comes out of the other side. :] Having said that, I think it's great that people are developing interest in ideas not so easily accepted by mainstream science. (p.s. don't flame me for my grammer or spelling mistakes please, I wrote this hoping it would be ready without proof reading ] Thanks for the consideration!