Menthol as a Dream Enhancer

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Thanks for that, I've been hoping to find a good, solid list of symptoms. None of that sounds really too dangerous, definitely not something that couldn't be treated easily if it had to be.... I wouldn't really worry about overdoses since it seems to be pretty safe, but it is always good to know what to look for.

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I forgot to add that was in a 24 hr period. Presumably short term. Long term at high doses maybe a different kettle of fish altogether?
Everything in moderation IMO, as the lozenges have other additives, colourings, etc.

For sure, it's hard to say what chronic use of it may do, but that's why we're experimenting! :content: I would definitely recommend not sticking to the cough drops forever, they're just convenient for people to test with. While they're probably not really dangerous either, it's difficult to say for sure. I'm intending to switch to experimenting with menthol essential oil or maybe pure menthol, and do some testing with mint and peppermint teas. The natural chemical mixes might make for an even more synergistic effect, and are definitely a good, natural way to go. I'll bet a few cups of tea could create effects the same as the cough drops. :) The only thing that kept me from going straight for them was that I want to know the exact menthol doses that work, but they're certainly a viable option.

So, today: I took 3 cough drops (19mg) before going back to bed after WBTB. I'm not sure if it's relevant at all, but i had a lucid and some of my regular dreams were kinda weird... althrough i had even more weird ones earlier during the night before i took any cough drops... So i can't really tell...

But i ran out of the cough drops now (i was eating them randomly during the day, i couldn't help it xD), so i have to go to the city anyway... i'll buy some Negro and check how much menthol it has... or if it doesn't have enough then i'll try to find Ice Blue Peppermint Halls.

I was a lazy bastard and couldn't get up during the WBTB to eat them. So, err... failure.

Well, I ended up partying for the fourth of July so I put off that 100 mg dose, no reason to try if my recall's going to be crappy anyway. :roll: I'll get to it, though. >w<

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Originally Posted by littlezoe

So, today: I took 3 cough drops (19mg) before going back to bed after WBTB. I'm not sure if it's relevant at all, but i had a lucid and some of my regular dreams were kinda weird... althrough i had even more weird ones earlier during the night before i took any cough drops... So i can't really tell...

But i ran out of the cough drops now (i was eating them randomly during the day, i couldn't help it xD), so i have to go to the city anyway... i'll buy some Negro and check how much menthol it has... or if it doesn't have enough then i'll try to find Ice Blue Peppermint Halls.

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Did you notice anything different about the feeling or environment while you were lucid? But it's possible that you might just need a higher dose.

Have you considered going the tea route at all? I think I might switch over to peppermint tea until I get my menthol essential oil.... I really don't have the burning desire to keep eating large amounts of cough drops, but that may just be me. X)

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Originally Posted by Wolfwood

I was a lazy bastard and couldn't get up during the WBTB to eat them. So, err... failure.

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Don't worry, that's an understandable excuse. :P

Here is my findings from this morning via my DJ entry:
ABBA. Vibrations. The 'Naked' Bar - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Dosage taken: x2 lozenges. Total Menthol = 19.4 mg (WBTB)
Quite interesting results so far, but I would need to try more WBTB (menthol) experiments to try to see consistency over time, as in this one single case it may be 'beginners luck'? I did feel I may have had a lighter sleep.

I have tried to give a full account as (reasonably) possible. The last dream is a bit NSFW, which is a bit different considering my usual dreams! (All the dreams were wrote down as early as possible to maintain accuracy.)

Hope this helps Alyzarin.

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Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Did you notice anything different about the feeling or environment while you were lucid? But it's possible that you might just need a higher dose.

Have you considered going the tea route at all? I think I might switch over to peppermint tea until I get my menthol essential oil.... I really don't have the burning desire to keep eating large amounts of cough drops, but that may just be me. X)

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Hmm... not sure... it wasn't much more vivid than usually and i didn't feel anything extraordinary... Probably i would need a higher dose :)

As for the tea... i never tried tea like that yet so i'm not sure :P

Also... i just came home... I bought an Extra Strong pack of Negro, but i just can't tell how much menthol it has... It doesn't say on the pack, just that it contains menthol and peppermint. I searched on google, but found nothing about it's menthol dose... There is an info-line on the pack, but i'm not sure if they could answer my question lol.

I also bought a honey-lemon Halls, which has 9,1mg/cough drop... If i can't figure out the Negro dose until tomorrow, then i'll start with the Halls.

I was told that placing pure menthol crystal on your tongue can be an extremely weird painfull experience. Just in case you wanted to try out how it feels, Don't.

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Originally Posted by dutchraptor

I was told that placing pure menthol crystal on your tongue can be an extremely weird painfull experience. Just in case you wanted to try out how it feels, Don't.

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Now I'm ~THIS!~ close to making this a personal mission.





Tried some cough drops again last night...

Date: July 5, 2012
Amount: 30 mg
Duration of sleep: 4 hrs
Vividness: Typical
Lucid: Yes
Stability: Typical
Dreams: Playing with a serial kidnapper/killer? Nothing fearful about it, decently fun and playful actually.

I don't know if this is the menthol but both times I've taken it my dreams have been happy and playful. Oh, I should also note, recently I've been drinking the energy drink Rockstar. Has lots of crap in it :\ but I refuse to eliminate it from my diet. It does good things.

The energy drink might have other things people use for lucid dreams.

Check the ingredients.

I like the progress in this thread.

:)

July 6 2012
12.08 am - Retired to bed
5.20 am - 5.45 am WBTB (x2 lozenges = 19.4 mg)
6.52 am - Dream (Non-lucid, SP?)
8.20 am - Wake for the day ahead

My WBTB routine was the same as yesterday, give or take a minute. Same as yesterday where I found it hard to sleep, along with a bit of gastric wind from the ingested lozenges.
Did have a dream where I felt someone was holding my foot down, trying to stop me moving it, like it was stuck or trapped. I did get the impression (whilst in the dream) that this was due to a bout of SP, which is a good sign.
My visualisation threshold was higher as I could 'see' scenes, etc. as I was trying to drop off. Like yesterday, I think my sleep was lighter.
I also found it hard to sleep as I got too hot which didn't help. So not as exciting as yesterday, but still promising.

I will have to try this during a WILD attempt as this may suit. Has anyone else tried already?

Had a cup of fresh mint tea from a field near my house and....wow.
My dream was slightly more vivid but it was so long and in the morning I remembered the entire thing in seconds. Hopefully I will have the same success tonight.

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Originally Posted by RobStar

Here is my findings from this morning via my DJ entry:
ABBA. Vibrations. The 'Naked' Bar - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Dosage taken: x2 lozenges. Total Menthol = 19.4 mg (WBTB)
Quite interesting results so far, but I would need to try more WBTB (menthol) experiments to try to see consistency over time, as in this one single case it may be 'beginners luck'? I did feel I may have had a lighter sleep.

I have tried to give a full account as (reasonably) possible. The last dream is a bit NSFW, which is a bit different considering my usual dreams! (All the dreams were wrote down as early as possible to maintain accuracy.)

Hope this helps Alyzarin.

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Yep, it helps a lot! Thanks! :content: My dreams are normally totally innocent too (unless I'm lucid) but both times I've taken menthol so far I had a lucid that ended with my libido shooting up really strongly, and on the first night I had a non-lucid with a sexual theme. Do you think they might be connected?

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Originally Posted by littlezoe

Hmm... not sure... it wasn't much more vivid than usually and i didn't feel anything extraordinary... Probably i would need a higher dose :)

As for the tea... i never tried tea like that yet so i'm not sure :P

Also... i just came home... I bought an Extra Strong pack of Negro, but i just can't tell how much menthol it has... It doesn't say on the pack, just that it contains menthol and peppermint. I searched on google, but found nothing about it's menthol dose... There is an info-line on the pack, but i'm not sure if they could answer my question lol.

I also bought a honey-lemon Halls, which has 9,1mg/cough drop... If i can't figure out the Negro dose until tomorrow, then i'll start with the Halls.

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Sounds good! And yeah, you could probably push somewhere around 30-40 mg for an effective boost to see if it gets you anywhere. :)

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Originally Posted by dutchraptor

I was told that placing pure menthol crystal on your tongue can be an extremely weird painfull experience. Just in case you wanted to try out how it feels, Don't.

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I'll try to keep that in mind. X) Thanks for the advice. :P

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Originally Posted by Kaomea

Tried some cough drops again last night...

Date: July 5, 2012
Amount: 30 mg
Duration of sleep: 4 hrs
Vividness: Typical
Lucid: Yes
Stability: Typical
Dreams: Playing with a serial kidnapper/killer? Nothing fearful about it, decently fun and playful actually.

I don't know if this is the menthol but both times I've taken it my dreams have been happy and playful. Oh, I should also note, recently I've been drinking the energy drink Rockstar. Has lots of crap in it :\ but I refuse to eliminate it from my diet. It does good things.

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Well that's always nice. :rolleyes: Are you going to try pushing your dose up at all, or switching to a different method? I'm thinking it's looking like the tea method is good route to take, especially since it supposedly helps with memory.

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Originally Posted by melanieb

I like the progress in this thread.

:)

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I know, I'm happy people are actually getting into it! If this is an effective dream aid, we'll have it cracked pretty soon. :content:

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Originally Posted by RobStar

July 6 2012
12.08 am - Retired to bed
5.20 am - 5.45 am WBTB (x2 lozenges = 19.4 mg)
6.52 am - Dream (Non-lucid, SP?)
8.20 am - Wake for the day ahead

My WBTB routine was the same as yesterday, give or take a minute. Same as yesterday where I found it hard to sleep, along with a bit of gastric wind from the ingested lozenges.
Did have a dream where I felt someone was holding my foot down, trying to stop me moving it, like it was stuck or trapped. I did get the impression (whilst in the dream) that this was due to a bout of SP, which is a good sign.
My visualisation threshold was higher as I could 'see' scenes, etc. as I was trying to drop off. Like yesterday, I think my sleep was lighter.
I also found it hard to sleep as I got too hot which didn't help. So not as exciting as yesterday, but still promising.

I will have to try this during a WILD attempt as this may suit. Has anyone else tried already?

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That is interesting. :O I think I know what you're talking about too, with the visualization... the first night I took it it was like full scenes would come to mind very easily and vividly. I also did a WILD by accident that morning. :rolleyes: I normally have trouble with it, but it happened very quickly and smoothly. I'm definitely excited to see if it helps you with it!

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Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Had a cup of fresh mint tea from a field near my house and....wow.
My dream was slightly more vivid but it was so long and in the morning I remembered the entire thing in seconds. Hopefully I will have the same success tonight.

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Awesome! So the tea method really is a good route. :D That's good to know, and I'm glad you've had success!

I think I'm just going to start recommending that people try switching to tea if the cough drops aren't working, or even just if you intend to do it for an extended period of time. A natural source is definitely nice. :content: But the essential oil will be even better for testing. :rolleyes:

Turns out the Negro candy is made since 1920 and it's recipe is top secret ever since... lol.. explains why can't i find anything specific on it...

Now i don't know how could i find out it's dose :/

Does it recommend not to consume more than a certain amount in 24hours on the packet?

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Originally Posted by Wolfwood

Does it recommend not to consume more than a certain amount in 24hours on the packet?

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Nope, i can't seem to find info like that.

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Originally Posted by littlezoe

Turns out the Negro candy is made since 1920 and it's recipe is top secret ever since... lol.. explains why can't i find anything specific on it...

Now i don't know how could i find out it's dose :/

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Ah, I see. :P Well, as nice as it would be to know the doses, you could still give them a try. I want to find good dosage information, but I also just want everyone to have success with it first. :3 If you can get it to work, then at least we know we're on to something. That's why I've been recommending the tea method, too.

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Originally Posted by Alyzarin

Ah, I see. :P Well, as nice as it would be to know the doses, you could still give them a try. I want to find good dosage information, but I also just want everyone to have success with it first. :3 If you can get it to work, then at least we know we're on to something. That's why I've been recommending the tea method, too.

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I'm just not sure how many should i take before going back to bed... Just by the taste i can't really compare it with Halls xD

I have 33 candies left in the packet right now :)

Spoiler for Negro attack:

http://i47.tinypic.com/m79c1x.jpg

I'll look up on that tea too then, hopefully we have something similar here.

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Originally Posted by littlezoe

I'm just not sure how many should i take before going back to bed... Just by the taste i can't really compare it with Halls xD

I have 33 candies left in the packet right now :)

I'll look up on that tea too then, hopefully we have something similar here.

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Yeah, I getcha. Why don't you just pick a reasonable starter dose and see where it gets you, since you have so many? Like 3-5, and if that's not enough then push it up some more.

I'm sure you can find peppermint tea if you check the right places, it's pretty common. :) I need to go pick up some myself!

Okay, 3 sounds good for the first try... and because of that i'll have 30 left.. i like even numbers :P Double good xD

Hehe, sounds like a plan. :chuckle:

Glad the dream report helped. In regard to sex type dreams, libido, etc. then it may be that the ‘sexy’ dreams are remembered easier? It may be that people have less inhibition in certain dreams. I know Freud made a big deal regarding sex and dreams, inc. all the symbolism, etc. In my case with the dream yesterday then it was probably one of the first times that I made a group of people appear by thought alone. Sure they were naked and I couldn’t believe the entirety of it all. I mean literally! It wasn’t meant to be too sexual as such, however to me it reinforced the power of our minds. We take it for granted, especially in waking life.
I’m glad I had the opportunity to try. If I hadn’t read your original post (regarding the testing) then I wouldn’t have broken one of my mental barriers down (regarding LD); so thanks!

However the earlier dream yesterday morning regarding the vibrations were quite pleasurable. It seemed more ‘sexual’ than the main dream because it was more feeling and sensation rather than usual visuals. I did wake up after feeling a bit aroused (physically.) It seems the body doesn’t lie after all.
I seem to have noticed a change in my visual threshold with the Menthol. I.e: It is easier for me to ‘see’ scenes and things. I will have to try to solve the stomach thing, maybe try and get hold of the tea, then compare any findings as I still have got some lozenges left to try out.

I definitely remember sexy dreams more easily, so that would make sense to me. Libido is also connected to D2 like dreaming, so they do kind of go hand in hand. That was a pretty cool entry, though. :P Sounds like a fun place to be. :chuckle: And you're welcome, I'm glad it's helped you! :content:

Vibrations always turn me on. >w< They just feel so amazing. :armflap: I definitely get what you're referring to with the visual change, that's one of the big things for me too. There's a definite increase in the amount of detail of the sceneries, or at least how much I notice them. The tea will probably be much easier on the stomach than the cough drops, I bet it'd help you a lot to switch over. :) I'm intending to try some tonight, so we'll see how that goes!

I'm testing some extra-strong Halls tonight as I ran out of Lockets... literally ate them during the day. I like them lol.

Haha, if you keep it up long enough you might reach the level of the person from the old thread. :P What's the strength on the Halls?