I'm guessing when you mention device you aren't including the likes of some sort of TMS head gear or implants. So then our only real options are the senses which remain, sight, touch, hearing, taste, smell and balance to name the most obvious ones. |
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Hey guys. I've been doing some research, and it looks like all the lucid dreaming devices out there use some type of mask design. There's the NovaDreamer, Remee, and the Dream Mask. Besides commercial products, you can find a dozen different DIY designs that work on the same principle. Seeing as dream masks aren't really the magic bullet for lucid dreaming, I'm wondering if anyone knows of different devices that don't use the whole mask idea. |
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I'm guessing when you mention device you aren't including the likes of some sort of TMS head gear or implants. So then our only real options are the senses which remain, sight, touch, hearing, taste, smell and balance to name the most obvious ones. |
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Well, I was looking more along the lines of creating a device that works by means other than a DILD. Anything that tries to communicate with the person while they're asleep is doomed from the beginning, at least with our current medical knowledge. The brain blocks out all external stimulus when you go uncounscious, and for weak stimuli that won't wake them up, it's really a matter of luck whether it gets incorporated in the dream. |
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Well in that case, do you have any experience with transcranial magnetic stimulation? or transcranial direct-current stimulation? I've always wondered whether lucidity was able to be activated by targeting the right parts of the brain. If you had the resources maybe you could build some kind of devices which detected when you were in a REM period and then applies quick bursts to stimulate the parts of the brain associated with lucid dreaming. Maybe by even firing once or twice the user could then proceed with lucidity on his own, removing any thoguths of short term or long term danger, since the device would only have to be used once or twice in a night for a very short amount of time. Unless someone thinks of a really novel other way to do this, I think this is your only way to get past the luck factor of EILD and DILD. |
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Last edited by dutchraptor; 03-29-2013 at 04:35 PM.
That would be an interesting area to research. I'm not sure the amount of funding we have could be used to build a TMS. I don't think hospitals usually carry TMS machines, and I'm pessimistic about them allowing us access to medical equipment without a doctor on board with the research. In any case, it would need to target the frontal lobes, or possibly the hypothalamus. It might be more trouble than what it's worth, as it wouldn't be affordable for the common folk. |
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That's actually quite a good idea, although it seems that whatever you have in mind for stimulating the awareness required for the person to wild could just as well inside a dream, since you are largely targeting the same place of the brain. |
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Azmisov, |
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If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is: Infinite. ---William Blake
I have been working on headbands with various sensors in them. And have had the most luck with a simple accelerometer that is sensitive enough to pick up the heartbeat. As you might guess, playing an audio track tends to either go unnoticed or wake the subject up. But I have found that if there is background music playing all night long, the audio tracks are a lot more successful... |
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There's some kind of watch that vibrates, I think Sageous mentioned it in some thread, you should pm him as he tried pretty much all the lucid dream technology that came over the years ^^ |
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So did you build the headbands yourself? Were you using the accelerometer as a replacement for an EKG/Pulse-meter? And were you using the pulse measurement just to detect REM and start playing music? If that is so, I am interested in knowing what algorithm you used to differentiate sleep-stages from the pulse. |
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Yes, I designed and built the headband myself and yes, I am using the accelerometer to just detect eye movements and play audio tracks. |
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That is very cool. Most of my research has been detecting the moment someone falls asleep. I came across this tech paper which describes an algorithm to detect sleep stages based on pulse. I don't know if there's an open access version of the paper somewhere, but your local university should have access. |
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By the way, are you using a high sensitivity accelerometer, or will any old $3 one do fine? |
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Thanks. Can you pm me a copy of the paper? The accelerometer in the halograph FM has a resolution of 3660µg and a measurement range of ±5g (49 m/s2). |
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Thanks for the papers. How is the research going? I developed a new method that you might be interested in: EOG from a webcam. |
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Last edited by IAmCoder; 09-25-2013 at 04:41 PM.
This is great. I am wondering if you can do something similar, but instead of using the webcam to detect eye movement you just use it to detect body movement (kind of like the Android sleep apps which use the accelerometer)? |
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Why would you use technology to do it when you can do it perfectly fine without technology!!!!! there is no any need for any device when only thing you need is yourself lol |
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Yes, I embedded an accelerometer in a headband and managed to pick up some eye movements. But I don't believe REM can be picked up from body movement (or the absence thereof). |
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why to do anything when there is technology!!!!!! anyway technology can ruin an opportunity to LD and interfere with your sleep and LD ....when I am too much on PC I have really bad dreams etc. |
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