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      Shared Dreaming Research

      Hey I'm wanting to work on a credible shared dreaming research project. I plan to document and date everything and use correct format/methods. Here is what I just jotted down to give you guys an idea of my plan. By no means is this what my paper is going to look like. I also know I need some more dreaming experience so I plan to include this in the paper so that my peers can test the experiments.

      HYPOTHESIS: “Do Dreamers Enter An Alternate Reality?”
      THEORY: That Lucid Dreamers Can Share Dreams Together
      ASSUMPTIONS: That Lucid Dreaming Is Possible
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      Dreams occur in REM sleep. If dreams only occur in your mind then it would be impossible for two people to share a dream. Our goal is to attempt to document shared dreaming and a credible manner, and prove multiple realties.

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      Q. What constitutes credible shared dream experiences VS non Credible?
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      I had a friend who said she "pulled" another friend into her dream. She was having a normal dream when suddenly she thought of a close friend. Apparently the dream changed, she was surrounded by bright light and suddenly her friend she was concerned with was there with her. The next day, dun dun dun... her friend said she had also seen her in her dream.

      Perhaps it is possible, that would be cool.... but it may take someone with a certain ability most people aren't aware of (my friend had some interesting abilities) that go just beyond normal lucid dreaming.


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      I'm honestly not interested in this at all... But:

      Dreams occur in REM sleep
      Dreams don't ONLY occur in REM sleep as far as I know. I'm pretty sure that is just when they are most vivid. Minor issue, just bringing it to attention I guess...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Man of Shred View Post
      Q. What constitutes credible shared dream experiences VS non Credible?
      Something that another person. For example you, could read and then repeat the experiments.

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      I'm honestly not interested in this at all... But:

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      Dreams occur in REM sleep
      Dreams don't ONLY occur in REM sleep as far as I know. I'm pretty sure that is just when they are most vivid. Minor issue, just bringing it to attention I guess...
      Ya I remembered that after posting but I was going to bed so I didn't edit it

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      I've already done that.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Man of Shred View Post
      I've already done that.
      As have I. A lot of people here on DV have done this. Check out the DJ's
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      I know others have done this but I have reasons why I want to do it.
      1) because I am folowing my peers work (MOSH) and testing his experiment
      2) more information for other points of view is always helpfull
      3) I'm training to be an ecologist and understand science and would like to make a more formal experiment that might be taken more seriously by skeptics.

      and mosh I really enjoy reading our posts about shared dreaming you really inspire my to work on lucid dreaming. People on the forum are typicly open minded and are kinda the forruners of lucid dreaming along with people like Stephan LaBarge so I feel like I owe you guys to input some good material. But if you guys think it's a waste of time the I respect that and will stop my work because what's the point if it's not needed.
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      No, by all means. Find out for yourself what's real and what's not!

      Realize that this can take months to accomplish.

      nomads format for shared Dreaming as follows: Recall, Lucidity, Dream guides, and then shared dreaming.

      After almost seven months of trying hard to follow this method. I'm just reaching the level where i can be lucid as often As i like. I've had many shared dream accidentals in my non lucids. My next phase is making them happen more in my lucids! I want to get them down to a science so I can refine my theories.
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      very cool man. I also hope this might keep me on track with lucid dreaming unlike past attempts. Maybe someday we can share a dream lol

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      I started keeping a diary of my attemps to share a dream. I stopped documenting it because I had no progress. About a month later I finally got somewhere. I kick myself for not sticking to it.

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      I think its a good idea

      It'll be impossible for our little community to provide objective proof of shared dreaming. What you we can do however is provide comparison experiences of shared dreaming, and tutorials of what these individuals did. And also offer information about the individuals sleeping schedule to see if time makes any difference at all. It'll hopefully be comprehensive enough just to get people interested in it so they can try it for themselves, and experience it for themselves

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      Quote Originally Posted by juroara View Post
      I think its a good idea

      It'll be impossible for our little community to provide objective proof of shared dreaming. What you we can do however is provide comparison experiences of shared dreaming, and tutorials of what these individuals did. And also offer information about the individuals sleeping schedule to see if time makes any difference at all. It'll hopefully be comprehensive enough just to get people interested in it so they can try it for themselves, and experience it for themselves
      Well if we all say it would be impossible for DreamViews to provide the roof then yes, it would be impossible.

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      Any more information on the subject is helpfull. I honestly think people should open their minds. At least to lucid dreaming it's a shame more people don't know about it

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      I don't know how you could prove it beyond reasonable doubt, other than to yourself, but I'd be glad to see proof that is scientifically acceptable. (The biggest problem is that a dream journel isn't enough since it can be faked.) What you need is an experiment that can be reproduced by anyone with the proper equipment and sufficient time. (If there is any equipment needed. If not, then anybody.) I'm sure it's doable, but I don't know how. If it's not reproducable and/or doesn't have something more than just someone's word, it's not a scientificly acceptable paper. Reproducable isn't something you should have to worry about, since it can take as much time as needed. Proof beyond two people writing down the same dream is harder. I think that's the main point of this thread - if anyone can figure out a way to prove this beyond dream journals.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dogod View Post
      (The biggest problem is that a dream journel isn't enough since it can be faked.)
      Yeah, there are about 15 people including me that have experienced a shared dream and we are all in on the lie. Aren't we great at keeping secrets? We have so much to gain by lying.

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      I'm not acusing you of lying at all. I'm just saying that that's not enough to be scientific proof. I don't think you're lying, but the scientific community will. You have to prove them wrong, especially with something like this.
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      I know it would take a lot for this to be taken seriously but once I get started I would like to get lots of people involved to add more credibility to the project.

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      To make science happy, you would need a high tech lab where the individuals are isolated and on camera watch . Just to make sure they aren't telling each other what to lie about on the celly phone.

      But, what you can do is try to get such a huge number of experiences that you attract professional attention. My favorite NDE website doesn't do any research. They just allow people to dump their experience. Well, when you have over a thousand submitted experiences people start to notice. And eventually, scientists started to explore this phenomenon. While the objective nature of the NDE is in question, the reality that people do have NDEs is not! NDE, that is the experience of one, is real!

      How many different individuals on this forum would have to profess to having a shared dream before the average dreamer here on this forum questions that it's possibly true?

      Ten? Fifty? Two Hundred?

      I mean, we don't have objective proof of lucid dreaming either. But we know it's real simply by the sheer numbers of people who profess that it's real. And unlike the NDE, because you have the testimony of more than one individual you are painting something objective!

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      Great post juroara.

      The problem with shared dreaming experiments, is we have no "control." The dreamers would have to be isolated from each other, and the isolation verified by researchers, so we couldn't communicate with each other, except in dreams.
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      WakingNomad,

      You have group dreams from time to time? How did that happen?

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      You guys are all right. I think it would be hard to even get someone to believe in lucid dreaming, let alone sharing a lucid dream between two people. I think first the public needs to know more about lucid dreaming itself. Of course any work done could help people on this forum who already know about lucid dreams. But a larger audience would be benificial.

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      "I propose that there is in fact an
      empirical test that could distinguish between the two
      possibilities: two oneironauts would have simultaneous lucid
      dreams while being monitored in a sleep laboratory. They
      would agree to meet in their lucid dreams and signal
      simultaneously by, for example, both following with their
      gaze the movement of one of their hands, back and forth, left
      and right. If the strong interpretation is of mutual dreams,
      i.e., if the lucid dreamers are actually sharing a dream-
      world, they would show simultaneous eye-movement signals in
      their polygraphic recordings. If on the other hand, they
      report carrying out this task in a mutual lucid dream and do
      not show simultaneous signals, we would have to conclude that
      they were at most sharing dream plots. Let us be sure to
      appreciate the significance of such an experiment. If the
      mutual lucid dreamers fail to show simultaneous signals, it
      would be neither surprising or especially significant.
      However, if the mutual lucid dreamers did prove to produce
      simultaneous eye movement signals, we have incontrovertible
      proof for the objective existence of the dream world. We
      would then know that, in certain circumstances at least,
      dreams can be as objectively real as the world of physics.
      This would finally raise the question of whether physical
      reality is itself some kind of mutual dream. Perhaps what
      really happens is the balanced result of a myriad of
      interactions contributed by us all dreaming the dream of
      consensus reality. But if not, then there's always Bob
      Dylan's offer: "I'll let you be in my dream, if I can be in
      yours.""

      Stephen LaBerge -- Lucid Dreaming
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      Mainstream Science is as corrupt as mainstream Religion. I have no desire to impress either, Since, when mankind Awakens to what we truly are. both will be irrelevant.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Man of Shred View Post
      Mainstream Science is as corrupt as mainstream Religion.
      ... no. Just no.
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