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      Dream Journal Statistics

      I read an article from an Andreas Rudolpf, creator of the "Awoken" app. I'm not sure I am allowed to post a link to it so I will refrain. Anyway, The Awoken app has a dream journal that backs up to the cloud. Andreas used this collection of dreams in the cloud to run some stats. He was able to plot a graph that showed a relationship between dream recall and how long it takes to have your first LD. He came up with about 31 days depending on initial recall ability.

      It occurred to me that there is a much larger archive of dreams on this site that people have shared publicly. (I'm assuming it's larger, I don't know his data size.)

      Has anyone written any code to analyze the archives?

      You could look at things like:
      Dream Recall Frequency vs. LD Frequency (show the importance of recall)
      Rate of LDs vs. Time spent logging (to see how rapidly people improve)
      Induction Method vs. LD frequency (see which method is most widely effective)
      etc.
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      Well since September I've been trying to get myself into meditating more. I started logging a few factors related to lucid dreaming, but I have yet to collect a suitable sample size to analyze my own data. But since I haven't had an excuse to share what I've been working on lately, I want to explain the system.

      In the front of my physical DJ, I set aside a few pages to make a chart.

      On the chart, each day I write the date.

      Each day I write down the meditation I did. I've heard so much backwards info on meditation that I've basically thrown in the towel and come up with my own technique. I figure as long as I'm consistent with it and give it my best shot I can't be hurting my chances at lucid dreaming. The meditation is counting down from 50, then counting down from 15 on each breath. That's all that I 'require', but allow myself to do a freeform meditation once my mind is settled. I can focus on a dream goal or something from waking life, or both. Sometimes I like to think through three or four topics. This generally takes me about fifteen to twenty minutes.

      Generally I try to do meditation before bed for consistencies sake. If I do it earlier in the day, I note that on my chart.

      More recently I've started documenting two other key factors that I think could most likely affect LD. Reality Checks and Bedtime. Though I've done a pretty poor job of documenting them as of late. (I haven't been the best about meditating either.) I write additional information about my reality checks in my dream journal in between dreams. (I remember one in particular when there was fog on my college campus, and the sun was shining through it. It was just so alien. I wrote a few sentences about how the fog looked and that it triggered me to RC.) With the goal being 3-5 RCs throughout the day, more welcome, but I'm going for quality over quantity.

      The final column of the chart is the rating of the dreams that follow that night, basically the results of my effort. Dreams can be pretty hard to rationalize as a number, but I rank them using a star rank system. I'm pretty fluid with just going with what rank 'feels right' for the night, but a loose description of my rubric might be.

      no stars: No recall whatsoever

      one star: Any amount of recall, even if it's just a short dream fragment.

      two stars: A lot of nonlucid dream recall, or a short dream with some semi-lucidity. (Perhaps I fail a reality check or something.)

      three stars: A lot of semi lucidity, perhaps multiple instances of it. Or a Layer 1 lucid dream, where I become lucid and then wake up right after.

      four stars: A short or medium length lucid dream. I often find in most lucid dreams I'm not as lucid as I'd like to be, or a dream where I become lucid but forget to carry out my goals.

      five stars: I've had what I would consider five star nights, but not since I started this project. Five star is reserved for quality of nights I know I can have. Basically really awesome lucid dreams. Clear, Vivid, Fully Aware of the dream reality, and I can think clearly enough to carry out my goals.

      And that's my system.

      The problem is the chart I've made makes it blatantly obvious what my problem is. I'm a slacker. It reveals my shoddy track record at meditating and my roller coaster of a sleep schedule. On the bright side I have no excuse to be frustrated, I can see just how inconsistent I really am.

      The project really had a twofold goal. The first goal was to put a focus on the work that goes into lucid dreaming rather than just result. I sort of envisioned that in order to be a good lucid dreamer I should subscribe to the Saitama philosophy.

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      Though I've been really hit and miss so far, I've seen myself improving the habit to the point that I've meditating about half of all nights (up from about once a week back in September.) My lucid dreaming as a whole hasn't improved noticeably, but I do notice I have 3 and 4 star nights mostly on the nights that I do my meditation. Really I don't care what results I get. I just want to do a better job of building the habit of meditating and documenting RCs and take pride in filling in that part of the chart, and figuring that improvement in LD will follow closely.

      Plus, once I DO start doing a better job of keeping the habit up, I get the opportunity to start playing with my routine. (What works better, a 10:00 bedtime or a 11:00 bedtime? Maybe introduce a new variable once I can keep the others steady better. Scientifically analyze the effect of a gemstone under my pillow every night for two weeks. Weird spiritual magic, or if it's just a placebo I'm giving myself, it won't tell me which it is, but it will show me if it has an effect.) And I can scientifically determine with reasonable accuracy what works best for me. I considered some experiments, different amounts of RCs, drawing dreams to supplement regular practice.

      And I am learning Java now, so I could totally write a program to analyze the data, if I copied it into a text document on the computer. But right now my data has a few too many aria variables for me to consider my dream journal chart much more than just a motivation to get my sh*t together. But seeing as there is a positive trend, maybe I'll get back to you in a few months.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JadeGreen View Post
      And I am learning Java now, so I could totally write a program to analyze the data, if I copied it into a text document on the computer. But right now my data has a few too many aria variables for me to consider my dream journal chart much more than just a motivation to get my sh*t together.
      I have been thinking about what the code would look like exactly. I am assuming that the archive is maintained with a database of some kind. We should be able to poll it with SQL. Then export the tables to Java, Matlab, Excel etc. It actually might be really easy. We just need someone with admin access to run the queries.
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      Hmm well in my case it would probably be pretty simple. Basically, Bedtime, Meditation, and RCs are inputs and Star Ranking is an output. I would have it run through the data comparing Bedtime (probably using 15 or 30 minute increments in the range of 9:00 to midnight) and generate a spread of what star ranking I get from going to bed at each time. Do the same thing for Meditation (Probably with meditation as a boolean, since thus far either I do it or I don't.) Same goes for RCs.

      Though really with the way I'm currently collecting data it's pretty obvious what the conclusion is going to be. 5RCs + Meditation + About 10:00pm bedtime = lucid dream, because the goal of my data collection was self-motivation and consistency, not analysis. Maybe at a later date, once I've mastered consistency in my LD routine, I'll be able to conduct experiments on myself and be able to use a computer program to interpret the data I get.

      And I think, to some extent, dreams can be hard to quantify since they're based more on mental status and emotion than logic and discipline. (In fact that's what's making me question this method, relying on self discipline and consistency than a looser model of emotional status and control.) But in a way, the rigor is supposed to lead to a better mental and emotional state more conducive to lucidity.

      This emotional state and the overall somewhat random nature of dreams is why, when I was thinking of how when I developed consistency and moved into experimentation, I'd need a large sample size of myself. (Generally in the scientific community, 20 is considered the bare minimum sample size of a reputable experiment.) But also consider this. If I was somehow magically motivated to meditate for the next 39 days. (Since I did last night.) And stay fairly consistent with RCs and Bedtimes as well. Then take an average of the star ranks of the dreams from the first 20 days, and the second 20 days, I bet my right arm the second 20 days would be higher, since even if the first 20 days were consistent, I'd still be adjusting to the routine and reconciling my mental status. (I'd even go so far as to say it would probably form a curve, with me improving very quickly in the first week or so of consistent meditation, then tapering off as time went on.)

      BTW, I went to bed at 10:45 last night, did 2 RCs yesterday, Did meditation, and had a two-star dreaming night. (Long nonlucid dream and a fragment of another.)

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