Dream Study

I currently have 2 research topics going now as a result of this one. Having been thinking about this for a long time. It needs to be included here. So I have created this thread to include everyone and note my progress. I think these are the two main subjects of reseach I will continue for a long time. I plan to work on both at a time.

While thinking about how to approach the RC research. I have had quite a few Lucid dreams. Last night I was flying higher in the sky above buildings and oceans and people. Than I think I ever have before.

Each time I have a lucid dream, I get a little more insight into what the dream is. I have been observing very carefully. The lucid dream last night included one of my typical dreams that seem to be constant theme, but I am rarely lucid in this theme. I was lucid this time, And I walked along a road to this house. I observed that everything was very realistic and just as realistic as real life. Here is not where the difference is. Every object of the dream I can tell is 'colored' a certain way and looks a certain way because of the "dreamlike substance" that creates it. Next time you are in a lucid dream, note how the atmosphere and 'matter' around you looks. I am still trying to observe the difference here, between reality atmosphere and dream atmosphere.

Dream atmosphere is a complex subject. As it can be personalized. I am beginning to see and feel that the dreams are of a much different vibration than that of real life. Real life is particually dense. When you enter a dream. The vibration is no-where near are dense. Hence the ability for your thoughts to manifest in the 'reality' around you much more easily.

Another thing to note is how easy it is to think it is not a dream, when close to the lucid state. You will oftern find yourself thinking things like. "If this was a dream" and "next time I have a lucid dream" I have found this is even a sign you are close to becoming lucid. As when completely non lucid generally you will not even think about lucid dreaming, but be emersed in the dream completely as if it were your real life in general. This is not considering the reality check research, but this is why the these two topics I am studying are connected.

Anyway, There is something which continues to convince you that it is your real life, close to this lucid state. A number of factors. To mention one of them, it seems to be the realistic nature of the dream itself. Which leads you to conclude it cannot possibly be a dream, because look how real it is. The question is, how do you not see the difference between dream atmosphere and reality atmosphere at this point? I am thinking it is because you are connected and a part of the vibration of the atmosphere, hence you do not recognize or remember in this state the reality atmosphere, because you are currently so tuned into the dream atmosphere.

The key to overcoming this I think therefore is to observe very carefully your dream atmosphere, so you can recognize it and remember the difference. Some people do this to a certain extent already. I wish to add something to this and know exackly what the nature of dreams are. They are still a mystery to me.

The first step is recognizing how to induce ld's consistently, and once lucid dream atmosphere is recognized, lucidity can be mastered. From here dream content can be mastered. And from here we are in a position to study the dream nature itself.

This is the process I plan to go through with this study. I would appreciate all the help from members of DV as I can get. I figure it will not be an overnight thing. Consistent progress is made over time as I already have made some since I started concerntrating on lucid dreaming.

For now I am leaving out in this post the subject of consiousness in relation to the subconsious. This area is for the other topic of research I am working on. This looks at how the consious mind works and 'sleeps' or 'awakens' in relation to the subconsious which is behind the dreams themself.

Since I joined the sight, I have gone from having about 1 ld per 3-4 months if that. To about
1 ld per 3-4 weeks. However sometimes I get a hit and will have about 10 of them in a row, depending on my sleep cycle. I had very little sleep for about 2 weeks. Then when I slept properly found I had a bunch of lucid dreams and normal dreams, as if to catch up. The main point here is my lucidity has been increasing steadly over time. I may get a dry spell and then a bunch of lds in a row. But looking at the big picture. The frequency of them has increased. Also my understanding of how dreams work has increased.

I look foward to hearing others perspective. As the more people who add their thoughts, the better of a general picture we all get, about how it works.

Both studies require goal outlines and a clear process we can follow to achieve results. I am yet to figure out an approach. But when an approach is defined. I will make a post in bold black writing so any readers can tell when the study started.

I will give readers a chance to respond and take in this subject area, before I continue or start the study.

Nirvana,
I like this idea.
There are so many variables for each individual issue. It is difficult to monitor something that is so unstable. Dream content, The level of lucidity, what takes place as you are lucid and the ever changing dream scene.

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The first step is recognizing how to induce ld's consistently, and once lucid dream atmosphere is recognized, lucidity can be mastered. From here dream content can be mastered. And from here we are in a position to study the dream nature itself.[/b]

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This is almost two separate studies. Maybe this is what you are referring to.
At one point I could become lucid almost nightly, yet my dream content would change dramatically with every dream. The amount of control I had during each dream would change as dramatically..

It will be interseting to come up with a format for this one. But it may be worth the effort!
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Originally posted by Howetzer
This is almost two separate studies. Maybe this is what you are referring to.
At one point I could become lucid almost nightly, yet my dream content would change dramatically with every dream. The amount of control I had during each dream would change as dramatically..

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I agree that it is a very diverse area. You are correct that I am refering to the 2 studies here. To master lucid dreaming, and to study the nature of dreams themself.
Even when lucidity is not mastered we can still study dreams themself, both of these areas are closely connected.

You say at one point you were able to almost lucid dream nightly. Which is interesting to note it was not maintained, but was a special kind of \"good run\". When more complex aspects presented themself and effected your ability. You in effect were not able to master the diversity of what was presented. And so was not able to be consistent and prevail over time.

I am looking at a consistent ability to lucid dream every night. Mastering all aspects and how this can be achieved. If possible. As one begins to aquire the skill of lucid dreaming it seems good runs like this begin to be observed. I think only by a certain routine and sleep cycle can this be achieved consistently.

Overall I consider these the core aspects that we need to study. And begin to define the best process to go about studying it. By starting out simple and branching out, and then gathering the data and coming to conclusions.

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It will be interseting to come up with a format for this one. But it may be worth the effort![/b]

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I think its worth the effort if done correctly, and can be very useful to use what we find, expecially personally. If we continue with the study I gather the information at the least can be used to help others who are interested in dreams and lucid dreaming. And it will help those involved closely in the study personally to answer for themself questions they have, through the experience and structured approach of these studies. Which I believe is going to be effective applied over time. Than merely going about it unprecisely without help from others, hoping that progress will be made individually without a definite plan. If we work together to think about this and dedicate ourself to studying it. I really believe that we are going to get something out of it that is well worth it, and will help us all achieve what we desire to achieve here. And that is understanding and control over our dreams, with ritcher experiences, longer lucid dreams, and more of them. In addition it can help us use the full potential of dreams themself. As they are a key to improving our lives and ourself.

Some are interested in lucid dreams just because they are fun. But there is alot more potential here, than just having alot of fun. And I want to study how it is we can use all of this potential. If we stick with this, what we find may be sureal, suprising and even unexpected. As all discoveries are.

I agree with all of what you say!
This in particular,
"Some are interested in lucid dreams just because they are fun. But there is alot more potential here, than just having alot of fun. And I want to study how it is we can use all of this potential. If we stick with this, what we find may be sureal, suprising and even unexpected. As all discoveries are."

I go into most of my lucid dreams looking for answers from my subconscious. I don't often look for fun.
But do I really know where or what I am looking for?!?!?
I don't know. :?
Research like this is a stepping stone to finding out! :thumbup:

This is my goal of the research.


The first step here I think would be "dream atmosphere study". Here we are studying the dreamstate, in relation to reality.

When lucid, How does the dreamstate differ to reality? What is felt that is different?
How does it feel to wake up from the experience? Did it feel real? Did it feel fake?
Does the sound in the dream resemble the same as real life sound?
Is pain able to be manifested or eliminated in any circumstance?
Did you feel you had the same amount of consiousness of ability?
Does food taste "real" the same as in waking?

What are the qualities of the dreamstate experience in general.
Does it feel like a "real place" how does the "matter" in the dream look.
How does the scenery change around you? Are the dream characters realistic?
Are you able to access any real entitys in this dream state? Can you get information about future or past from the dreamstate?

These questions I am still thinking about, how to approach this study.

The main concern right now is the atmosphere of the dreamstate and its makeup. And our consious connection with the experience of the dream. We need a precise and simple basic study to start at the foundation of this subject. And branch out to cover it, So this is what I need to be thinking about, and any input from others would help here.

I would need lucid dreamers to be studying in detail precisely the dream atmosphere, and with certain tasks. Similar to the lucid task of the month at DV. But with a precise research goal in mind to come to conclusions about this dreamstate and its potential.

Last night I was able to sleep for 14 hours. Which resulted in me being lucid.

As the dreamstate progressed I found an increasing awareness begin to come into play until I reached the point where I was lucid enough to remember this study.

What happened:

My recall is not great, and something I need to pay more attention to. I found if you do not keep focused on recall. It begins to slip away. I can fairly easily maintain basic recall naturally. If I concerntrate I will be able to get it to a high standard.

From what I remember up to the point where I was lucid.

A guy was in a school playground, being held by police officers for terrorism charges.
He stood beside the vechile handcuffed with a rifle next to him. It was at this point my vision zoomed in and I became this person. The guy proceeded to break out of the handcuffs and smash the window of the 4 wheel drive. Police began to run to the scene as I turned the key to start the car, just getting away in time. I found there was gates everywhere, and made my way around to the office entrance, smashed through a weak point, and landed the vechile on the highway.

(this is the 3rd time I have dreamt of driving away from police in a car)

From here I drove along the highway ignoring all the rules. And continued to drive the car off a ramp into a pool of water where everyone was swimming. I got out of the car, which then sunk to the bottom, swimming underwater, and meeting alot of other people.

from here I was safe and knew they would never find me. The dream continued underwater. and I went through some underwater doors, until it merged back into normal rooms.

As all this was going on I began to realize it was a dream. I remembered what I wanted to do, And I studied a part of the dream scene in detail. As well as my state of being. I did this for about 10 seconds before losing consiousness.

These were my thoughts

"This seems very real, it is indeed very real, this just looks real!"
(I did not try and do anything, my lucid state did not last all that long otherwise I would have gone onto other things, such as changing the matter around me)

"I can't seem to find a difference between the realism now and my real life, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference here" I am here, and it is a dream, but I am the same, The vibration must be different? but it doesn't feel now like it is different"

After this I drifted into unconsiousness and soon after woke up. What is different from other times here is I did think it was more real this time.... And getting very close to being the same as if I had experienced something that was just out of real life. I gather this is because of my attention to the detail of it. But I still do not think I was "consious" or "present" enough, or for long enough for that matter. My contemplation seems to be improving this though.

My after thought is the more you concerntrate on being consious and experiencing the dreamstate, the more you connect yourself to it. And understand it.

I reflect how this is suppose to be a mental thing, not something that is an actual experience? But something you think up in your head, I wonder if it even exists in time, or if it is percieved as existing in time, because of the mental creation of thought processes over the period of sleep.

The problem with this theory is I am convinced it can be a real experience. And is much more than this. As in my lucid state it did feel very real like I was there at the time, and that is was some kind of 3d dimension of thought. It resembled everything about real life. So I think there is alot more to this, about how we create this. I am trying very hard to understand it. And this is only the beginning.