Thread: influencing the brain waves with the light

i think this is very exciting.

i know i see visuals as i go to different brainwave levels. i think this is quite common. they are generated in the brain.

however... and i may be wrong... but some people are wired with prefernetial visual pathways linked to deeper altered states, and some are not... this is my experience... so i think any experiment should take this into account. it may be an inherent capacity... some people are just more visual in these deeper states than others (while others may be more kinesthetic, or auditory, etc...). I know people who simply do not get the visuals.

(Not to say this is not a learnable trait or skill but we don't necessarily know.)

i think when "fully realized" or closer to this enlightened state, all three channels kick in. something to think about.

anyway i don't have the programming skills but i love the question and have one more.

you said this: That makes me think. Some binaural beats are supposed to make you LD or OBE. But I heard that they play the frequencies of sound that normal headphones cannot play, which can account for failures. With light it's a different case, it can be done, as there are no such hardware limits...

Could you explain? My understanding is that the brain supplies the tones that the sounds themselves cannot create by mixing together inside the brain (or mind) what it gets from both left and right channels of the ear.

many thanks,
bg~~~

ps while i don't speak other languages, i'd love to know what publication wrote about this? sometimes i think in the US we are so unaware of research going on elsewhere... so i love knowing about stuff going on all over the world!

Originally Posted by beachgirl

however... and i may be wrong... but some people are wired with prefernetial visual pathways linked to deeper altered states, and some are not... this is my experience... so i think any experiment should take this into account.

Well the scientist said that it would influence anybody. I don't have enough knowledge, so I believe And never have I seen light going on and off so quickly as he says, so there's no experience to judge.

Could you explain? My understanding is that the brain supplies the tones that the sounds themselves cannot create by mixing together inside the brain (or mind) what it gets from both left and right channels of the ear.

I don't have enough knowledge! That's just something that I heard, that the whole idea is flawed. The headphones can't produce the frequences required.

while i don't speak other languages, i'd love to know what publication wrote about this? sometimes i think in the US we are so unaware of research going on elsewhere... so i love knowing about stuff going on all over the world!

It's not well known at all.

This is interesting. Even more interesting knowing that little is known about it. New territory.

I'm wondering if you'd be able to produce a similar effect by putting a light source - a torch, perhaps - behind the blades of a rotating fan. Or maybe something like a zeotrope could produce the effect.

Originally Posted by Arutad

So what I have in mind is a kind of a computer program that presents only a black screen, and then can make the screen blink a certain number of times per one second by filling it with white color. If it does it in a continuous manner, this program would fully make up for lights going on and off, if it is used in a dark room at night.)

Something like that: http://www.netliberty.net/dreamachine-view.html#?

Clamosus

WOW! Is that yours?

If it's yours, then how did you count the amount of blinks for particular frequences? Because there doesn't seem to be an option to set the number of blinks, only the frequency

Clasous page working ?.. if yes how much we need of HZ. to induce OBE

Ah very interesting.

So we are looking if a visual version of binaural beats is possible?

Arutad

"That's just something that I heard, that the whole idea is flawed. The headphones can't produce the frequences required."

What idea is supposedly flawed? Binaural beats?

"If it's yours, then how did you count the amount of blinks for particular frequences? Because there doesn't seem to be an option to set the number of blinks, only the frequency "

The frequency is the amount of flashes per second, is that what you are looking for?

Hmm, I think we also have to consider hardware a possible problem.

I am also going to ask one of the pioneers who researched binaural beats and how it affects consciousness (altered states of consciousness).

Nonono, it's not mine. I found it at non-English ld forums.

Well, I'm not really good in English so please take a look at this table. So, for theta, the frequency should be 4-7 Hz and so on. Oh, and I'm only guessing.

That is a good idea. Could you modify a generic strobe light to blink at a certain frequency?

Be careful you don't induce some sort of seizure. Reminds me of the time that pokemon episode induced seizures by flashing at some wacky frequency.

Here is an online strobe light someone has devised that turns your monitor into a strobe light.

http://www.bobshowto.com/fun/strobe-...robe-Light-AAA

My google search was, "online strobe".

I may look into this. I need to be very careful I don't trigger a migraine and, of course, epileptics should be careful too.

www.transparentcorp.com look at the led goggles they do light entrainment...

and there is nothing wrong with binaural beats any speaker or headphones can do any of the beats cause you are doing beats per second not wavelength frequencies... so when someone reads about 7 hz or something its not the pitch but rather 7 beats per second.

edit; the program they have (mind workstation) is like amazing cause you can make your own sessions and make them pretty professional and efficient i have a copy of it if you are interested in getting a key pm me for more details

Hey hey hey! Don't let this die!

I bring good news.

This is a part of the conversation between me and a man who pioneered in binaural beats and inducing altered states of consciousness.


"I am discussing of the possibility of visually creating the same effects as binaural beats. Do you have any knowledge on that area? Did you at the lab also test visual brain entrainment? If that is even possible."


"We did think about it but in the 70’s, the technology to implement it was too difficult and expensive. Today with VR goggles, it should be relatively easy if one can implement a separate video channel to each eye screen – visual stereo. I am very interested so keep me informed of progress – especially if you are able to find or create such stereo visual equipment. It has the potential to be very effective (perhaps more effective than audio) because we humans are primarily visual creatures. Be careful though, it may also trigger epileptic seizures in some people and may not be able to be used widely without caution. "

Thanks for the link velinxs!

It proves interesting! http://www.transparentcorp.com/produ...eo/science.php

And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbRoL0peQTQ

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Originally Posted by Clamosus

Something like that: http://www.netliberty.net/dreamachine-view.html#?

I was hoping someone would post that. I saw it in another thread a while back but forgot what it was called.

I've got a couple different light emiting glasses.
Think I got one at sharper image in the 90's. Glasses / headphones / hardware based binural beats.
Works rather well.

This is interesting. The 10hz on this page http://www.netliberty.net/dreamachine-view.html# just made my eyes hurt like a mother fucker and water everywhere.
I think I'll set it to 7 hz in a second.
I think this is possible because anyone who's been at a party/club with strobe lights knows how good it makes you feel. However this might just be because everything looks like it's in slow motion, so you feel sort of disconnected from everything but I dunno.

But when I look at that page I do see visuals in the lights.

Ok can anybody look at that page without their eyes watering? Anyway, close your eyes while it's flashing! With your eyes close to the screen. It looks insane lol But now whenever I move my eyes I'm getting flashes happening slightly. I think this could screw with you. I know when I was trying out binaural beats the sounds stayed in my head for hours afterward and sometimes the whole day. So if oyu had problems with binaural beats, probably don't try this either.

Delta : 0.1 - 4 Hz : Low brain activity
Alpha : 5 - 8 Hz : Where things start to get trippy. LDs occur.
Theta : 9 - 15 Hz : More dreams, maybe some waking consciousness too
Beta : 16- 40+ Hz : High brain activity, exercise, logic overdrive etc.

Thought that would clear things up.

Originally Posted by marcc

Delta : 0.1 - 4 Hz : Low brain activity
Alpha : 5 - 8 Hz : Where things start to get trippy. LDs occur.
Theta : 9 - 15 Hz : More dreams, maybe some waking consciousness too
Beta : 16- 40+ Hz : High brain activity, exercise, logic overdrive etc.

Thought that would clear things up.

Those are a bit off.

These are more accurate.

Delta up to 4
Theta 4 – 7 Hz
Alpha 8 – 12 Hz
Beta 12 – 30 Hz
Gamma 30 - 100+

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Those are a bit off.

These are more accurate.

Delta up to 4
Theta 4 – 7 Hz
Alpha 8 – 12 Hz
Beta 12 – 30 Hz
Gamma 30 - 100+

You're right. I just pulled those ones off the top of my head. Although, I do remember alpha going a little higher.

This is quite interesting!

Just so you know that the website with the flashing lights works on possible browsers such as the PSP. Perhaps a face mask could be created to comfortably fit the PSP onto the face as it plays? Also, the PSP can play video and whatnot and could well be a great way of experimenting with this idea. Remember, the PSP while maybe a little heavy has a nice big widescreen. Just a thought.

I tried the website on the PSP and it works quite well. If I could get it working without my internet plugged in (I'll look into it) I wouldn't mind trying it out. Then again, I'd have to be well researched, I could get one heck of a headache.

Originally Posted by Clamosus

Something like that: http://www.netliberty.net/dreamachine-view.html#?

lol, I just started to experiment with this last week.

I also just made a home brew "nova dreamer" type glasses using tinted safety glasses and flashing l.e.d.s lights made from x-mas decorations.
It cost me $6.87 and I am trying it out this week.

Keep us updated!

I don't mean to bump this but any update, apocalypse.

So if i am listening to binaural beats that produce low brain activity, and i try to dive into complex metaphysics and quantum mechanics, will i be handicapped by my brain not processing up to speed? In other words, does it have an effect on your actual computation/logic?