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      Cannabis-Induced-Lucid-Dreaming ( OH YEA )



      I am now 100% convinced that weed actually takes you TO the subconscious mind. But fear resists it..thus smokers becoming depersonalized.

      For one thing, melatonin helps with having vivid dreams, and weed increases melatonin production by 4,000% percent. This is scientifically documented.

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      The weirdest thing happened to me last, I was so fucking high off weed that when I came into the house to lay down I immediately witnessed hypnagogic imagery as I relaxed.

      One thing is for certain, weed relaxes the body to the upmost degree. Which is all that is really required for a WILD. We must keep the mind awake though.
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      Are you sure it was HI?
      Are you sure it wasn't closed eye visuals?

      I know I can never WILD when I'm stoned. My mind always wanders and I can never focus.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dimethyltryptamine View Post
      Are you sure it was HI?
      Are you sure it wasn't closed eye visuals?

      I know I can never WILD when I'm stoned. My mind always wanders and I can never focus.
      If you ask me HI and Close Eyed Visuals are one and the same thing.

      perhaps HI is a possible indication that endogenous DMT-levels in the brain are gradually rising. The peak of these theoretically DMT induced experiences being what we know as "Dreams"

      We humans seem to experience strange visual phenomena with our eyes closed near sleep. And some hours into the sleep we experience imaterial, realistic, submersive visions we call "Dreams".
      Experiences very remeniscent of Entheogenic tryptamine experiences (such as DMT, LSD, Psilocybin and other Entheogenic tryptamines. And it is scientifically confirmed that the human brain produces DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, 5-OH-DMT and other psychoactive compounds that are known to cause visions.
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      My mind was wandering also when I was laying in bed Dimeth, I think rambling thoughts is what causes us to lose consciousness.

      I believe closed eye visuals and hypnagogic imagery to be the same exact thing, the way I see it, it's still DMT being released in the brain. Weed IS a psychedelic.

      I don't know why the high was so strong ( maybe because I usually don't smoke that much ), the body vibrations I was getting felt insanely intense. Like waves...I think the rambling fear thoughts is what PREVENTS the relaxing state required for a WILD. Deep breathing relaxed me though.

      Mood and setting are important, if you are uncomfortable when your high on weed, you experience anxiety and fear-chaotic thoughts to the upmost degree..they keep multiplying and intensifying ...it was driving me mad last night. So the best thing is to be in a good mood and and breath deeply when trying this. Relaxation is key..just like with a regular WILD attempt.

      Something else that was weird is that last night, besides the visual hallucination, I witnessed auditory hallucinations...I thought I was going mad! It definitely was the same as when I attempted a WILD one night and heard a voice. Probaly was in the HI stage.

      One thing is for sure...I was extremely high, the last time I was high like this was like my 4th or 5th time smoking weed and I almost had a panic attack.

      So to sum it up: Cannabis deeply relaxes the body, which is all that is required for a WILD.

      This is what I will try next time I smoke:

      1.) Get extremely high in a comfortable setting and be in a good mood
      2.) Lay down in bed and close my eyes
      3.) Diaphragmatic breathing ( deep breathing )
      4.) AWARENESS...I know my body is relaxed when I smoke, but I need to stay aware. I will try visualization. I feel with the body relaxed the way it is from cannabis, I just try and visualize a dream scene and it will manifest. But I have to stay conscious.


      SO, this is how I think it goes.

      Mind awake/ Body Asleep formula:

      Cannabis = relaxation..body asleep
      Visualization = Mind(attention) awake.

      Focusing on something sensory keeps you from zoning out. Zoning out quells attention.

      It's the thoughts, I believe..the rambling thoughts is what CAUSES us to lose conscious every night we sleep, we need to visualize..use our senses and have our attention on something for a dream to manifest.

      THIS is from a user on a cannabis message board:

      So I decided to make this thread about lucid dreams. mainly becuase they are fuckin awesome.
      but anyways I am going to tell you what works for me on having a lucid dream, and hopefully other will chime in and tell us what helps them with lucid dreams.
      So to start you want to be able to totally relax your body to the point of it being asleep while keeping your mind awake. I personally like to smoke a real fat bowl, then lay down with a pillow under my head and once I lay down I just concentrate on a certian area of muscles (like toes. feet. lower leg. upper leg. stomach. chest. fingers. hand. lower arm. upper arm. shoulders. neck. then once I get to my face I concentrate on each muscle) once they all feel relaxedyour body will feel like it doesnt want to move, and you will think about moving but it wont really happen. at this point you will have lots of somewhat random thoughts running through you mind, just relax and go with the fow, untill you start to focus on one thing. then once you get into this one thing (one single dream) you can make what ever choices you want. I have found that when your high and lucid dreaming you choose to do some weird shit.
      like In one dream i was talking to a friend and we finished our conversation, and I just hopped up in the air and floated away.
      anyways hopefully that makes sense and helps people start with lucid dreams. they can be very fun, and very trippy if your on a sativa high
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      I have been very high on weed and gotten into that higher dimension perspective. In fact it would happen all the time, but after a half hour or 45 minutes I would crash and get the munchies and be kind of stupid. I don't smoke anymore but I have smoked for 17 or 18 years, not everyday all the time but sometimes everyday. But I have tried over and over again to WILD while I was stoned. Each and every time no matter how high I was I couldn't focus my mind. When I stopped smoking for a week I was immediately able to WILD pretty consistently. I think that pot stimulates your mind and releases DMT and such, but then it depresses it and the DMT fades. I don't think it relaxes my body, my haw would be tense and my shoulders and neck. I think that yoga and deep breathing relax the body and the mind. It is interesting though, Pot DOES do something relaxing. It relaxes consciousness, hmm? Everyone is different, I wish I could still smoke weed and be able to lucid dream.
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      Hmm this is very interesting. I have some Chocolate Kush left over from last night. I think I'll try this tonight and see what I get. I hope my mind doesn't wander too much..
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      lol i'm gonna do a wbtb now with a big joint while i'm typing gonna try wild right after i'll say it if i get any better results since my wild seems to fail alot and havent practiced much.
      lucky for me that i just had my best lucid dream tonight it was a really nice one everything looked so real and i was lucid the whole time but didn't had to rc or rub hands i was just really conscience and aware but the only thing i did before sleeping was taking in some omega-3 and calcium/magnesium and some c&d so it could be because of that. and i smoked a big joint after fitnessing.
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      I don't think weed is really for everyone. Some people get relaxed by it, and it would work well for them, but I can say that for me it seems to dumb me down at low doses and high doses with mild hallucinations tend to be very uncomfortable and chaotic. Back when I would experiment with MJ, I got some sort of hallucinations several times, and all of those times the hallucinations would happen in rapid flashes and I would flash from reality to the hallucination rapidly, and I think the flashes went sort of with my heartbeat because with each one it felt like blood was gushing violently in my body, at really high pressure. It's far from relaxing, and just makes me feel "fucked up" instead of simply in a state of mind were I can explore my subconscious. I don't like being fucked up, I like being able to explore various areas of my mind in peace.

      That being said, I can't imagine MJ helping me with lucid dreams, since it's nearly impossible for me to be at ease.
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      I do think weed can help. When I smoke I can wild more easily. I go from lying on the couch to walking around in my dreams. But I know it doesn't work for everyone. I know it didn't work for me until I started smoking weed on a daily basis.

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      I've had many dreams while or about receiving & toking.

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      Wow! I've been on erowid reading the experience reports on cannabis. It sounds like some people have gone from waking state, directly into a lucid dream..where they could control shit with their mind. Seems they didn't know it was a lucid dream, but called it intense hallucinations, and a total different state of awareness.

      I'm going to try this experiment maybe this weekend.

      But one thing is important, before attempting to get retarded-high, comfort, setting, and STATE-OF-MIND are VERY important before trying to trip..any negative or anxious feelings of anything will surely manifest as extremely chaotic thoughts and eventually manifest in some type of nightmare if you don't lose consciousness before then. I know this from personal experience that being in a bad mood before smoking, may cause some unwanted results.

      I've been thinking about getting a vaporizer( probally the best way to get the highest), but they are expensive as shit! )

      I may just end up making a gravity bong though.

      Here's one report:

      https://www.rhodium.ws/experiences/exp.php?ID=1788

      I'm thinking this experiment will best work when the lights are off and you are in a quiet dark place. That way the melatonin will set it as you relax. Binaural beats may be helpful also.
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      Ha ha! I forgot about this!

      I almost had some kind of experience when chilling out stoned, but I stopped trying because all weed usually does is keep my bolt upright and energetic.

      But recently I have found that if you let them, hypnogogic images come extremely readily.
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      The planets...
      The intricate and dynamic machinery of nature...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Idolfan View Post
      Ha ha! I forgot about this!

      I almost had some kind of experience when chilling out stoned, but I stopped trying because all weed usually does is keep my bolt upright and energetic.

      But recently I have found that if you let them, hypnogogic images come extremely readily.
      Smoking large amounts of swag gives me lots of hypnogogic images for me. Haven't smoked swag in a while though, the images aren't worth the shitty taste, smell, and the general roughness of the smoke.
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      I will say this in support of Marijuana.. Each time that I have smoked it and laid in bed to go to sleep, I hit the HI stage in WILD almost with in the first 2 minutes, and my body was relaxed in about 10... I've only come so close to a WILD on the nights I was high
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      Hm. well, when I stopped smoking, I actually noticed that I could recall more dreams, and that they were more vivid. Now I haven't tried smoking again, really, so it might be different.

      I was thinking about those of you who talked about being anxious or paranoid. You migt try differnt kinds of marijuana. Some strains make you more alert, and jittery, while some variations will produce a more relaxed, mellow vibe. There are even some strains that are supposed to create a more "head-trippy" experience. I always liked to find out what strain I had, and maybe you could experiment with what strains help or hinder your dreaming experiences.

      Oh, and you might consider trying a mixture of Mugwort and cannabis. I tried this a couple of times, but with little success.

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      You know...one thing I have noticed..and I'm 100% sure this is true: is that the more thoughts you have( like with weed), the more introverted you are..

      You get introverted enough and you will fall into HI and eventually hit a lucid dream( lucid dreams are introversion ) ..just keep your mind awake..the best thing for that is visualization. VISUALIZE what you want to be doing in a lucid dream. Feel the steering wheel of the race car your driving, feel your your foot on the pedal and your body on the seat as you fall asleep.

      Tomorrow is Friday, which is my last day of work for the week. I will get some weed then and try this for the weekend.
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      Have any of you read my research thread about Cannabis and dreaming/pineal activation? Should check it out, I need test subjects!
      http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=86672

      I also hallucinated from weed a few weeks ago. Besides what happened in that thread I linked to. It was auditory though. I seem to always hallucinate aurally instead of visually. But it was like an alien voice saying something to me which I won't say here lol. Maybe another time. It takes a bit of explaining to make any sense. And the weirdest thing was that I was listening to my headphones and I got SO consumed in my thoughts that I was thinking for about 5-10 minutes or more and it was only a second or so IRL. As soon as I 'came back' I realised the music was stopped and than instantly it just 'swung' back into playing and kind of echoed and rippled for lack of a better word and the music kept playing, it was so beautiful.

      Not sure of the point of that post, but kinda just adding weight to the fact that Cannabis puts you in a very relaxed state and you can't fight it. That's what causes the 'gravity pulling me down' feeling so many people describe. You can reach this state naturally though. I found out I could do that by smoking less and less each time and still trying to retain that feeling as long and intense as I could. Eventually you don't have to smoke at all.

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      I just got SO FUCKING CLOSE to a WILD last night after smoke a little bit of pot. I barely even tried. But I started half dreaming while awake and then suddenly switched back to awake twice. It was SO confusing though because it took me a second to realise I wasn't still dreaming. I thought when I switched back to awake that I was dreaming so I tried to float off my bed but nothing. I thought the dream was real life! lol Both times!

      Weird....

      I couldn't remember the little dreams for the life of me either. Guess that's the short term memory loss for ya

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      Marijuana can help induce a WILD but in general THC is known to supress REM sleep. I think most people would have better luck LDing the day after smoking due to REM rebound.
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      It seems that the best bet is to attempt WILD before coming down off the MJ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut View Post
      It seems that the best bet is to attempt WILD before coming down off the MJ.
      I can only WILD at WBTB, if I smoke at WBTB I am out like a light. So personally this is not a viable method for me. I have had some amazing lds the following night after a smoke binge though.
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      Not worth it. I'd rather stop lucid dreaming all together than use this method.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Loaf View Post
      Not worth it. I'd rather stop lucid dreaming all together than use this method.
      Ya, I definitely don't suggest anyone start smoking pot to have LDs that would be insanely dumb.
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      I want to try this. Normally when I smoke I don't want to "waste the high" (friends get pissed when I fall asleep) and haven't known about it in relation to LDing, usually just wait until I'm coming down and have a "dreamless" sleep. But maybe if my heart's in it next time...I need to get like a couple grams because I am gradually compiling a list of things I want to try while high haha. This is definitely gonna be near the top.
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