Reverse reality checks

This is the product of reading several topics in this place about people who are moaning that thier reality checks haven't gotten them lucid, so I came up with an idea that it might be cool to try. Reverse reality checks.

Instead of checking if you're dreaming, check that you're not dreaming, it sounds simple, but it may help a lot.

An random intervals during the day, suddenly thing 'Oh my god! I'm dreaming!" think it with enthusiasm, then after about 10 seconds, do several reality checks to try to make sure. Just simple ones like counting you're fingers and trying to fly.

This should eliminate most chances of you're checks failing.

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Originally posted by Alex D
Instead of checking if you're dreaming, check that you're not dreaming, it sounds simple, but it may help a lot.

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As far as I know a proper reality check was to cover both of those areas.
First checking if you're deaming, and then proving to yourself that you are not. Which I guess would be the reverse reality check part.

Nice idea. It's already my opinion that all reality checks should be like that.
And prompted dreamsigns are generally more effective (for newbies esp) to achieve than the randomly doing reality checks

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Instead of checking if you're dreaming, check that you're not dreaming, it sounds simple, but it may help a lot.

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As far as I know a proper reality check was to cover both of those areas.
First checking if you're deaming, and then proving to yourself that you are not. Which I guess would be the reverse reality check part.[/b]

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Really? I always asumed that it was checking that you're dreaming, while in the mindframe that you're not dreaming, well thats the way I learned anyway.

I think Alex D that either way it seems more accurate and more likley to work with your idea.

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Instead of checking if you're dreaming, check that you're not dreaming, it sounds simple, but it may help a lot.

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As far as I know a proper reality check was to cover both of those areas.
First checking if you're deaming, and then proving to yourself that you are not. Which I guess would be the reverse reality check part.

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Really? I always asumed that it was checking that you're dreaming, while in the mindframe that you're not dreaming, well thats the way I learned anyway.[/b]

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No no no! Don't think that you aren't dreaming, and you're just doing it for "practice." if you do, then in you're DREAM you'll do it in the mindframe that you're not dreaming.

WOAH, I totally get where you're going with this Alex. I think it's a GREAT idea to get in the mind frame that you ARE dreaming during a reality check.

I'd rather assume that I AM dreaming.

Great work man!

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Instead of checking if you're dreaming, check that you're not dreaming, it sounds simple, but it may help a lot.

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As far as I know a proper reality check was to cover both of those areas.
First checking if you're deaming, and then proving to yourself that you are not. Which I guess would be the reverse reality check part.[/b]

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Really? I always asumed that it was checking that you're dreaming, while in the mindframe that you're not dreaming, well thats the way I learned anyway.[/b]

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In that approach all you would be doing is trying to prove yourself wrong. With a mind frame that you are NOT dreaming you then go into it proving that you are dreaming rather than somehow proving that you are not dreaming.

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I tend to reality check by keeping the idea in mind that I may be dreaming right now. My reality check whether it be to read a page in the newspaper then look away and re-read it to check for weirdness is always done from the standpoint that I AM dreaming already.

You cannot trust yourself as to whether or not you are dreaming RIGHT NOW YOU ARE DREAMING!...... Without proving that you are not.

I am LDing a lot at the moment and there is no better feeling in the world than to do a reality check and think "Wow, I AM dreaming".

I think the trick is to have moments every day where you say to yourself 'I have had dreams that seemed as real as this, I must check now'.

Never trust reality, if you do you won't go lucid by checking it.

I don't think one would need to shit himself to do effective RCs. What is more important than the way you ask the question is that you feel as if you were in a dream, you need to boost your senses. Right now I'm awake and I don't need to do a stupid reality check to verify this. Everyone of you knows that he's awake right now. When one checks reality it's just a temporarily faked frame of mind. Yeah, you're all funny with posting the term "Are you dreaming?" in your signature and every second post of yours , but frankly an intelligent person shouldn't do an RC because of this line. With all the Hand-RC and Nose-RC stuff, people forget that it's possible to go lucid without having to do some stupid ritual like counting your fingers.

It's all down to what works for you.

No-one is forcing you to reality check, if you have a method that works better for you that is fine. Well done to you.

I went lucid last night after noticing that the clock on my PC screen had flashed between two different sets of numbers. I decided to reality check by levitating, which I did succesfully.
Realising that this was not waking reality I decided to fly out of the window. I had an excellent LD, made possible by being mindful that the reality I'm presented with everyday could be dream and by checking it.

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I don't think one would need to shit himself to do effective RCs. What is more important than the way you ask the question is that you feel as if you were in a dream, you need to boost your senses. Right now I'm awake and I don't need to do a stupid reality check to verify this. Everyone of you knows that he's awake right now. When one checks reality it's just a temporarily faked frame of mind. Yeah, you're all funny with posting the term "Are you dreaming?" in your signature and every second post of yours , but frankly an intelligent person shouldn't do an RC because of this line. With all the Hand-RC and Nose-RC stuff, people forget that it's possible to go lucid without having to do some stupid ritual like counting your fingers.

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In your reply not only have you missed the point of what RCs are for you also make the assumption that people are not stupid. Bad form.

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In your reply not only have you missed the point of what RCs are for you also make the assumption that people are not stupid. Bad form.

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I'm foreign, rephrase please.

She means that you're missing the point of reality checks.
Some people don't have it easy like you. They can have an outrageous dream, and still be entirely cock-sure that it's reality.
A reality check is designed to
(1) spark lucidity by the action of questioning it
(2) confirm if it is a dream or reality by, for a moment, assuming it's a dream and checking if you can prove otherwise.

It has nothing to do with intelligence.
Practice can eventually eliminate the need for reality checks. But they still remain useful when you can't be sure.

Normal reality checks don't work for me, so I've been trying these reverse ones for a while. I used to have a lucid a week... now I have one or two a night!

I have always done this since I learned a name for what I have been doing since childhood {lucid dreaming}
Many times through out the day, I will check to see if I am dreaming,,, I rub my hands together and lift them out, if it is a dream, this is where I take to the sky :)
I will be riding in the car, having a conversation and all of a sudden I will remember to check... my husband has got ten to know this rittual of mine and and say.. " no, your not dreaming" LOL

He has never had a LD and I keep trying to tell him to do these checks through out the day,, and one time, he will do it and it will be a dream and he will see what he has been missing.

yeah i tryed that too for a while but i forgett after a while... :?